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When will we get the Covid-19 vaccine? By the time the jab arrives, we might not even need it

Volunteers in Wuhan receive an experimental coronavirus vaccine which is in a phase II human clinical trial Credit: TPG / Getty

Volunteers in Wuhan receive an experimental coronavirus vaccine which is in a phase II human clinical trial Credit: TPG / Getty


April 28, 2020   9 mins

There are, I think, three possible futures for the coronavirus pandemic. Either nearly everyone gets it, and the survivors stay immune, and we get herd immunity that way; or it becomes endemic in the population, turning up each year like flu; or we get a vaccine.

In the shorter term, there are other options: decisions to be made about testing and tracing, about when to open schools and bars and football stadiums, about masks. They’re all important. But we can’t keep people in their homes forever, and unless we eradicate every single case of the disease, it will eventually come back. So, as people say, unless everyone gets it and the disease burns itself out, there’s no going back to normal until we get a vaccine.

So: when will that happen? There are bullish reports from Oxford that a new vaccine is showing early promise; that it has protected inoculated macaques from the virus when unvaccinated ones consistently get sick. They think that they could get the first few million doses off the production line and ready for human consumption by September. Other people talk about being able to return to full economic activity in 18 months.

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Not everyone is so hopeful, though. A report by a biopharma analyst for the investment bank SVB Leerink, titled “Sober Up! 25 Reasons Not to Count on COVID Vaccine for Herd Immunity in 1-2 years”, suggests that it could be years, rather than months – attesting gloomily that “There is absolutely no evidence that a vaccine can protect against human infection with SARS-nCoV2” and that new kinds of RNA- or DNA-based vaccines are so far completely untested.

As I said last week, predictions are hard, especially about the future. I don’t know which of the two extremes is more likely. But I thought I could go through some of the challenges.

All coronaviruses have a distinctive shape – a ball with spikes coming off it, like an old-fashioned naval mine. The spikes are made of a protein called an S-glycoprotein. Most research into Covid-19 vaccines, says Robin Shattock, a professor of mucosal infection and immunity at Imperial College London, targets those spikes. That is, they try to mimic either the whole spike or a part of it, so that — when the vaccine is injected into our bloodstream — our immune systems will latch onto that S-glycoprotein and learn its shape. Then, if the real coronavirus turns up, not just a disembodied spike but the whole naval mine, our immune systems will remember the protein and attack it.

So your first job is to make a stable version of that protein, separated from the rest of the virus. Then once you have one that looks promising, you test them in animal models.

Assuming it’s safe and effective in ferrets or rhesus macaques (the two most useful animal models for this research, since they’re both susceptible to Covid-19), the next stage is to produce a higher-quality version of the vaccine, test that again in animals to make sure it’s safe, then try it on humans.

The first human trial will be small, and in young, healthy volunteers. It’s just looking to make sure that it’s safe and gives the sort of immune response you want. Then you do more trials, in larger numbers and in older or less healthy volunteers, and eventually you see if the vaccine actually works — if people who are given it are less likely to become infected.

After that, if the vaccine is safe and effective, it will be licensed – in Europe by the European Medicines Agency (EMEA), in the US by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA); once it is licensed, it will be manufactured and then given to the population. And then – fingers crossed – the disease will die out.

So far, so straightforward? Not really. 

One problem that recurs at several stages is that vaccines are different to treatments. If you have some drug that you think will cure a particular cancer, you find people with that cancer, you give some of them the drug and some of them a placebo (or, rather, the usual treatment for that cancer); if they do better on the new drug, it works.

But with vaccines, by definition, you’re giving it to people who don’t have the disease, and then you want to see if they get the disease.

In animal models, that’s not such a huge problem, because you can give them the disease yourself — or “challenge” them, in the terminology. It’s still not ideal when — as now — you’re in a huge rush; it takes some time after exposure for your body to develop enough antibodies to be properly immune. “To see if the vaccine works, the minimal time to get to a level where you want to challenge them is about four weeks,” says Shattock. “So those studies typically take a couple of months.”

But in humans, usually, you don’t want to deliberately give subjects a potentially deadly disease. “I can’t rule out that it might happen,” says Shattock, “but it’s ethically difficult.” Covid-19 is much less dangerous for young healthy people, but it’s not completely without risk, and there’s the the chance “that if you took 10 people in their 20s and gave them the virus, you might just be unlucky”. One or more could get really ill for reasons you don’t understand; they could die. Kirsty Gelsthorpe, a spokesperson for the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry, says that the Oxford group certainly isn’t doing it.

Besides, says Shattock, “it’s quite artificial; shoving virus up their nose mimics natural exposure, but it’s not the same”.

So usually, you give the vaccine to a bunch of people in the wild, as it were, and you see if they get the disease less than a control group over some period of time. But, Gelsthorpe points out, at the moment, we’re all locked down. Fewer people are getting the disease. So that causes a problem: it’s good news in the sense that not as many people are getting ill, but it slows down research. You don’t know if your vaccine works if no one gets sick in your control group.

“That’s why many groups,” says Shattock, “including ourselves, are moving very fast. One, because we want to get it made quickly, but two, because we want to be able to test it while infections are still going on.”

There’s another problem. Vaccines are already dealing with a trust problem — anti-vaccination movements around the world have led to significant drops in the takeup of the MMR jab in the West and polio and TB vaccines elsewhere. 

In the phase I trials — the small-scale ones — you’re looking at safety. Usually, that doesn’t mean whether or not it kills people; serious reactions are vanishingly rare, despite the awful and high-profile Northwick Park incident 14 years ago, which left six previously healthy men fighting for their lives. Normally,you’re just looking to see if “their arms are so painful that they can’t go to work, or if they have flu-symptoms that make them feel horrible”, says Shattock.

Of course, if you have some really nasty disease, you can shift your threshold somewhat. “If you’re facing an Ebola epidemic and 50% of people are dying,” says Shattock, “you’re not going to be worried if your arm is sore for a few days.” And since you only need to give it to the most at-risk people, you can be forgiven if you’re not as vigilant as you might be about long-term side effects: “Everyone in the [Ebola-]affected areas thought ‘This is going to kill me. If I take the vaccine I don’t care if I have side-effects in years to come; I won’t die.”

But that’s not true of coronavirus. It’s dangerous, but it’s nowhere near that dangerous, and you have to convince millions of healthy people in their 20s and 30s who aren’t at significant risk to test the vaccine. “The level of what’s tolerable, vs the perceived risk, is very different,” says Shattock. “Safety will be particularly important. You don’t want people turning up five years later with some weird arthritis and asking if it’s caused by the vaccine. 

“Vaccines struggle anyway because of the anti-vaccine movement — the difficulty is that they’re so successful no one sees the disease, they only see the side effects. You don’t want anything that will make that worse.” If the coronavirus vaccine kills some healthy people, it could easily reduce trust in other vaccines and lead to major loss of life.

But let’s imagine we get our vaccine through the testing, and get it licensed. Then we just need to produce it and ship it out. That should be easy, right?

Jeffery Almond, a visiting professor of microbiology at Oxford and for several years the head of research at the French pharmaceutical giant Sanofi, says that the production of a new vaccine usually takes a long time — “10, 12, 15 years” — and that, traditionally, “we always had to engage with manufacturing technology”. What that means is that about half-way through the process of researching the vaccine, they’d have to start designing and building a factory to produce it.

“Typically that process took four or five years,” he says. “Designing the building, getting the equipment ordered, installed, validated, operational. Getting it licensed as a production facility. Minimum three years, then you’d have a facility with a capacity of a few tens of millions.”

We’ve been unlucky with coronavirus, he says, in that everyone expected the next pandemic to be a flu virus, “like 1918, 1957, 1968, 1976, 2009”. There’s industrial capacity for manufacturing flu vaccines — we make millions of doses every year. But those factories won’t work for coronavirus vaccines, and we need billions of doses. “To get a billion doses by this time next year or Christmas or whatever, when you don’t have industrial capacity, is a hell of a challenge,” says Almond.

I can sound a note of optimism here, though. Almond is talking about old-school vaccines, which are made with attenuated viruses grown (in many cases) in chicken eggs or other cultures. There are more modern versions. Some groups, he says, are working on vaccines which target stretches of viral DNA or RNA. “For them the manufacturing is a chemical synthesis of the RNA or DNA,” he says. “It’s intrinsically easier to scale up.”

But so far none of these vaccines exists. “We have plenty under development,” Almond says, “but the manufacturing capacity isn’t there, and we don’t really know if it’s going to work. It’s a bit more risky in that the technology is new.”

His own former employers, Sanofi, are working on vaccines that you can culture in insect cells, which he says is vastly more scalable than the chicken-egg method, and could easily be applied to coronavirus. When used in conjunction with an adjuvant produced by GSK which would, he says, allow you to “reduce the dose per person to a fifth or a 10th of what you’d need without it”, the Sanofi model “is the most straightforwardly scalable version and the manufacturing is already there”.

The Oxford team are using something else entirely — a vaccine that uses another virus, an adenovirus,  as its delivery system. Philip Ridley Smith, the marketing director for the firm Cobra Biologics and Pharmaceutical Services, which works with the Oxford researchers, says that they’re building a 200-litre bioreactor to start producing the vaccine. It would be enough to make a million doses a batch, and, says Ridley Smith, the consortium of three manufacturers that make up the Oxford consortium hope to make six million doses a month.

For that reason, Shattock is quite hopeful that when the vaccine arrives, it will be quite easy to produce enough to vaccinate everyone in Britain pretty quickly. “Solving it on a national basis is relatively straightforward,” he says. Building enough for a global scale will be the tricky bit, although Ridley Smith points out that many developing nations, such as India and China have excellent manufacturing, if not the same refrigerated supply chains.

One trouble will be funding it. Pharma companies are throwing money at this at the moment, but they are in the end commercial enterprises, and vaccines are often not very commercial things: they are given once, and need to be given to people who can’t easily pay for it. Plus, they’ve been burned before — in his book Deadliest Enemy, the epidemiologist Mike Osterholm says that they rushed to get a vaccine for Sars in 2003, urged on by governments and philanthropic bodies; then, when Sars burnt itself out, the governments and philanthropic bodies lost interest. 

“At Sanofi we rushed to make a Sars vaccine,” says Almond. “It got to the point we could test it in primates after 11 months, and by then it had gone away, and we’d spent tens of millions of euros on it never to get it back. The industry does it, but it knows it’s losing money, and it can’t do that too much.”

“I’m not sure how scarred pharma was by that,” says Shattock, “but they’ve certainly been bruised by other projects: Ebola, Sanofi with the dengue programme, GSK with malarial vaccines. They’re not seeing big returns.” It may be different with Covid-19 if it’s around for years, especially if it needs yearly doses, but it may not. 

Osterholm in his book suggests that public-private partnerships — like the US defence contractor model, in which governments put out a specification for a jet fighter, and firms compete to build one in the knowledge that the most suitable will be richly rewarded — may be the best system. That’s probably for future outbreaks, though; this one will be driven by funding from the Gates Foundation, Wellcome, the World Bank, and by goodwill from the pharma companies. “Yes there’s a risk the companies will make a loss,” says Almond, “and on smaller things they might need incentivisation, but on this one they’ll dive in and do the best they can.”

So will we see a vaccine soon?

Ridley Smith is confident: “We would hope that we’d be able to start getting the vaccines out by September” – although he warns that it will depend on the success of the trial, and on enough people in the control branch getting infected to give them working statistics; ironically, too much success at limiting the disease might mean we can’t get a vaccine. The Oxford researchers have encouraged at-risk workers to volunteer for the trials to maximise the chances of getting good information.

Shattock is less so. “If everything went really well, and one of the two UK vaccines work, that could start to be rolled out early next year,” he says. That could happen: “If we were working with no knowledge, it would be a very low percentage chance,” he says. “But because we know a lot about coronaviruses, that increases the chances of success a lot, although many things could still go wrong.” But getting it rolled out globally will take longer; he thinks even 24 months is “very optimistic”. 

And it’s possible, of course, that in 24 months, we might not even need a vaccine any more. The virus might have run its course. “How important will it be by 2022? I suspect we’ll still need it for vulnerable groups, but we may see that by that stage most of the world has had the virus and we’ll have herd immunity.” 

The scientific community has got a lot faster at researching and developing viruses, but it may not yet be fast enough to help us with the coronavirus. Let’s hope this outbreak at least means we’re better prepared for the next one. 


Tom Chivers is a science writer. His second book, How to Read Numbers, is out now.

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John Zachary
JZ
John Zachary
3 years ago

I read the first few lines and that was enough. The data clearly shows Covid-19 is no more lethal than seasonal flu. This ‘pandemic’ has killed 0.003 of the world’s population while simultaneously putting millions at risk of starvation because of the ill-conceived, ill-advised and incompetent actions of sheepish governments around the world. Sweden took a more measured approach and this is to their credit. If the concern really is about “saving lives” then open all economies and send healthy, immune functioning people back to work. Enough of the nonsense about this virus. People die everyday. That is part of life. If you are immune impaired, very old, or just like to stay at home then do so, but others are having their rights trampled on for a spurious reason. More importantly, millions will die because of these action. The opposite of what we are being told.
25,000 deaths attributed to seasonal flu in the UK 2017-2018 flu season. Nothing closed. No media hysteria.
OPEN THE WORLD NOW.

Michael Dawson
MD
Michael Dawson
3 years ago
Reply to  John Zachary

This is a dishonest argument. The virus is no more deadly than seasonal flu? Well, maybe if you take extreme preventive measures like the current lockdowns for coronavirus, but for flu then life goes on normally, apart from a vaccination programme for the elderly. But that is not a like for like comparison. Without the lockdowns or similar measures, the death rate from coronavirus would be much higher. I don’t know how much higher, but if health systems are overwhelmed then a lot of people who now survive because they can get hospital treatment will die without such help. There’s an argument for saying we should just bite that bullet and hope herd immunity kicks in at some point without the death toll being prohibitive. But please don’t say the whole thing is a big con and no bigger deal than the flu.

John Zachary
JZ
John Zachary
3 years ago
Reply to  Michael Dawson

NOT TRUE. WATCH SWEDEN! It will all end up the same.

Peter Mott
Peter Mott
3 years ago
Reply to  John Zachary

“The coronavirus pandemic has driven deaths in Britain to their highest weekly total since records began, official figures have shown.”

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/deaths-hit-highest-weekly-toll-since-records-began-8fp3867s9
Therefore this disease is more lethal than seasonal flu.

Dave Weeden
Dave Weeden
3 years ago
Reply to  Peter Mott

Not if the excess deaths aren’t all from the Coronavirus, it isn’t. Anecdotally, just from news reports, there have been murders (allegedly by people in despair, like the guy in Ilford who appears to have killed his family), suicides. People have lost jobs. Many people are much more stressed; all these could be factors.
Also, there are more people in the country since records began, births are probably near the highest weekly total since records began, and, if that’s the case, that wouldn’t be down to the virus.

roslynross3
roslynross3
3 years ago
Reply to  Peter Mott

Unless you know how and where the testing was done, the data is meaningless. Taiwan did not do lockdown and neither did Japan. They should be worse but they are not, they have had better outcomes.

Belgium has mortality rates off the page because it counts all nursing home deaths regardless of cause and without testing.

The US has massive mortality rates for similar reasons. Hospitals there receive extra money for Covid patients so guess what? Everyone is a Covid patient.

The virus is not understood, the testing is deeply flawed, the testing is not universally established or even coherent and in short what we know is that Covid is a risk to the very old who are very sick, not surprising; little risk to most and virtually no risk to children.

Let’s hope the vaccine does not injure and kill at worse rates than the disease itself.

Joe Smith
Joe Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Peter Mott

The panic caused by reaction to Coronavirus (saturation media coverage and govt action to stop some NHS activity) is also resulting in more deaths. There’s a fair chance that this and the long term economic effects could lead to at least as many early deaths as the virus itself.

John Zachary
John Zachary
3 years ago
Reply to  Peter Mott

Over 90% of COVID-19 deaths involve comorbidities. There is no data to support the lockdown or vaccination of healthy, immune functioning people who are at no more risk from covid-19 than seasonal flu. Many sheep are happy to blithely give away their freedoms and hide…oops sorry…shelter in place. The death and misery caused by these WEAK actions of government are both an affront to freedom and logic.
Millions will starve, but as long as we do what we are told by our great leaders it must be the right thing.

jj0000000
jj0000000
3 years ago
Reply to  John Zachary

I used to think as you still do, then I saw the facts.

Michael Baldwin
Michael Baldwin
3 years ago

To be willing to have a vaccine, I would need convincing that:

a) I was under a very great risk by not having it

b) I was at no risk by having it

and the (b) part might take a lot of convincing, so I would as in the case of Ebola or whatever, have to be very convinced about the (a) part.

There is also apparently an awful lot of research now, and it appears mainstream, as it is based on known biochemical mechanisms, such as cortisone overproduction, that prolonged anxiety or fear can cause all sorts of health problems including reducing the power of the immune system.

It might be pointed out in passing by the way, that HIV has now been around since 1981, and no vaccine yet exists, so that’s nearly 40 years, with the result according to the WHO about 37 million worldwide are currently HIV positive, and up to 1 million are still dying as a result every year as compared to the roughly 213,000 allegedly dying of covid-19 so far, given that the death rate seems to be on the decline, so may not get beyond the 300,000 mark.

Which latter covid-19 figure doesn’t however much appear to distinguish between dying “of” and “with” covid-19, which may be a massively misleading statistical failure, if it turns out as many suspect that a huge proportion of the population has already been infected, so a large and currently unknown therefore proportion of the deaths attributed to covid-19 may be of some other cause.

It is rarely pointed out that “cause of death” always has been a potentially very controversial matter, because basically the only definite signs are stoppage of heart and breathing, and brain activity also it appears.

The point is, most of us are not normally that bothered about it, as firstly, it is by nature a pronouncement that always happens to somebody else (by the time it’s our turn, we are no longer around to debate it), and quite often we are, unless it’s very suspicious, relieved the person died, and not too fussed what goes on the certificate.

For nobody technically speaking “dies of cancer”, they die of organ failure, in particular (again we come back to it) heart and lungs, or we might even call it “systemic failure”, which could then apply to practically any death.

But the issue that in my view is making this a very hard matter to assess statistically – i.e. just how dangerous is covid-19, how many “additional deaths” it has caused – is being very muddied by the fact that due to the lockdown, and the relentless fear producing propaganda (whether it’s true or not is not the issue, merely that it has been issued forth), it has placed millions of people, almost entirely the old and vulnerable into unprecedented states of fear.

Not just temporary passing fear, like say when a terrorist attack happens, but then it’s forgotten usually within 2 weeks or a month (unless the media keeps going on about it).

But an ongoing fear resulting from an ingrained belief caused by incessant media scare stories, which have convinced older people that not only is their a “murderous invisible devil” out there, ravaging even the young and healthy, but they in particular, are most at risk.

So that if you are a certain age, you have been persuaded to believe that it is more or less a death sentence now to get this thing, and so quite likely hardly dare to leave your home or risk contact with anybody you know – family or friends – for fear they will be “the touch of death.”

The fact it might only be killing 1% of all people is no comfort, as offhand it is thought to be something like 15%-20% of people over 80, so it’s a lot more likely you are going to “win” at that, that the national lottery.

So the unknown and quite likely unknowable question is how many people are dying directly due to covid-19, or just due to the fear of it, even if they don’t actually have it (though may believe they do).

Or if they are found to have it, and they get hauled off to a hospital and attached to a ventilator, and (presumably) are either told or believe they have “the killer virus”, and this very fear itself (which by this point is probably extreme) causes them to believe they are about to die, that they are never going to emerge from that ICU alive.

I’d really, really like to see a very deep study into whether anybody could avoid exposure sooner or later to this thing with certainty, as I have my doubts.

I don’t mean that some people won’t ever be exposed, I believe that is possible, but just question that there is any definite series of actions anybody can take to assure that they, personally won’t be exposed.

For example, even if you somehow had your own private island (certain rich people seem to be following this strategy), as things like birds and insects cannot be quarantined, and can migrate round the world, or arrive in food or boats or planes that land on your island, would even that be a certainty that covid-19 wouldn’t somehow find a way to “come and get you”?

I almost hope it could.

Because I think we need to break this illusion that any of us can “social distance” in any safe and lasting way.

Especially if we find out many millions are carrying this thing already, as I suspect (as do many others in high places like former Israeli medical professor and adviser to government, Yoram Lass) is already the case.

Especially in crowded Western countries where millions of people have been travelling nationally and internationally, long before the virus was taken much notice of.

e.g. I conducted “a thought experiment” some time ago, if it would be possible not to get infected when using a public toilet, or one in a bar or restaurant or workplace.

My conclusion was it is nearly impossible, bearing in mind potentially infected taps, flush handles, door pushes or handles and so on, both on the way in and way out.

The point is, even if there is a very clever procedural way of not getting infected or risking passing it to someone else – which my guess is would require hospital operating theatre standards of hygiene – do we really think even most of the population would carry these measures out reliably?

Imagine bars and nightclubs full of hundreds of semi-drunken people, all in an alcoholic haze, trying to adopt the hygiene standards of sober operating theatre staff.

Or schools full of young children, who forget rules the teach tells them within minutes or even seconds after they are told them, and schools of teenagers who deliberately ignore or flout such rules.

Or gangs of men on construction sites who would consider it unmanly to “social distance” (I’ve already seen such gangs in the last week when travelling, and they weren’t social distancing at all, and not a face mask in sight).

In short, by going into a mass panic about covid-19, we have created an endless series of insoluble problems.

We have handed each other Gordian knots we are incapable of unravelling, from the government downwards.

We know what Alexander did with the Gordian knot – he took a big sword and sliced it to pieces.

In our case the answer is we simply go back to how we were before and live with it.

Those afraid, can wear face masks or try vaccines, or isolate themselves by choice, but we can’t have a functioning society and economy if we expect everybody to do that.

Especially if we find out that as research seems to suggest that the biggest killer is fear.

And then we need to get perspective, because part of the problem is another insoluble problem has been raised by the suggestion that

a) the government can control viruses

b) the government can stop us dying

So now we have a crazed fearful population who demands the government stops it dying or blames it for that.

When for example according to the ONS, of the roughly 607,000 deaths in the UK in 2017, 23% were avoidable – that’s 141,000 deaths which were effectively self-inflicted – about 7 times as many as currently have died from (or with) covid-19.

And in 2015, 115,000 of those deaths were smoking related.

And this incidentally is a truth known by doctors all the time – the public on the whole does not want to take responsibility for its own health, it refuses to (or is unable to) change its lifestyle, and instead wants doctors and the government to keep saving its life regardless of what it does.

So the government already had enough of a problem with the public demanding the government save its life, and taking little responsibility for that itself.

My advice to the government therefore is as follows:

a) stop all so called “social distancing” measures as their effect on social and economic life is utterly destructive.

Just picture when we reopen city centres, people in queues everywhere in sight, trying to stay 2 metres apart outside hundreds of different shops or banks or whatever.

How are children in schools supposed to stay 2 metres apart all the time?

How are people in bars, clubs, restaurants even supposed to talk to each other from 2 metres apart or with faces masks on?

Even if possible in publicly monitored areas, millions of people are going to continue to have intimate contact with total strangers as soon as they get into a private place (including their cars), or at private parties.

So it is a totally unworkable measure, that is only going to inconvenience the obedient citizens and the rest will flout at will.

b) stop telling the public about health problems you can’t solve, or at least not in such a way as induces mass panic, as in this case

c) now you’ve blundered into a situation where the public demands rescue from a problem if would not have likely noticed if you hadn’t told them (just as it hardly notices the annual 17,000 average flu deaths) you will have to increase hospital capacity dramatically for respiratory infections, as opposed to locking everyone up and destroying the economy, and taking away people’s human rights

d) as vaccines are such a tricky and potentially wasteful investment, and have failed dramatically in the case of HIV for nearly 40 years, instead conduct research into ways of strengthening the immune system, which may well be more about healthy lifestyle recommendations and an emphasis on better food and a cleaner and less stressful way of life and environment.

Scaring millions to death with lockdowns, and not definitely justified statistics exaggerating their likely chances of death, is probably not a good way to achieve that.

roslynross3
RR
roslynross3
3 years ago

Before allowing anyone to inject you with anything it would be wise to read up on the harm done to many by the Swine Flu vaccine which was also rushed through.

The Flu vaccine is so minimally ‘effective’ it is useless. There is also research showing that it predisposes people to Acute Respiratory disease. One UK medical expert said recently that those who had the Flu vaccine should self-isolate for three months because of increased risk.

Whatever vaccine they invent will be a guestimate. Given the high infection rates, supposedly, taking into account the test is inadequate and the virus not purified and not even properly understood, and the low mortality rates, it is pretty clear no vaccine is required.

But, as long as it remains optional then those who want it can have it and those who do not can reject it.

danny.zbrusi
DZ
danny.zbrusi
3 years ago
Reply to  roslynross3

Good day Roslyn, well said. BUT, new legislation as of 27 April will FORCE any and everyone to have an injection. Refusal will result in draconian enforcement including incarceration, confiscation of property inc your house, huge fines and so imposed without court authority or right of individual appeal.
Mandatory vaccinations have been allowed for many years under certain circumstances but on 27 April 2020 this all changed.
Check out on government website the Public Health Control of Disease Act 1984. The year of the Act is unfortunate and the update now I’m law, appalling. Room 101 beckons if you object. THIS IS NOT A SPOOF BUT A REAL THREAT TO US ALL – except the Royals and I guess other select individuals.
Tell everyone you know; this needs to be dealt with asp.

Steve Dean
Steve Dean
3 years ago
Reply to  danny.zbrusi

This may not be the correct interpretation of the facts.
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Michael Weis
Michael Weis
3 years ago

Sweeping the world are those who are paranoid, certain or both. In this case, anti-vaxxers, armed with their “evidence” swoop down on one of the most balanced and valuable articles I’ve found. Freedom of speech can be as dangerous as amyloid plaques as they clog the people’s ability to understand all sides.

Excellent article! Terrible comments.

David Uzzaman
David Uzzaman
3 years ago
Reply to  Michael Weis

I’m not an anti-vaxxer and indeed trot down to my GP every year for my annual flu jab but there is cause for concern about a novel vaccine developed and produced in haste with enormous political and economic pressures. Every developed country wants to be the first to get to the market and inevitably the safeguards and regulations which govern any new treatment may be compromised. Corners may be cut.

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sipu261988
3 years ago

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Michael Dawson
MD
Michael Dawson
3 years ago

Given the seriousness of the virus, I’d have thought plenty of people would be willing to volunteer to have the vaccine and then be deliberately exposed to the virus. If they can’t get enough younger people, I’d volunteer myself, although I don’t think any of the researchers are yet asking. As Tom says, under the current testing model, there is a risk that the numbers in the control group who get the virus may be so small that it is hard to be sure if the vaccine is effective or not. As I understand it, the control groups for the two UK studies are only about 500 people each. Hopefully, that should be enough, but it does seem an experimental design that follows the old protocols, rather than looking at the urgency of the current situation.

roslynross3
roslynross3
3 years ago
Reply to  Michael Dawson

Volunteers are good. Any mandatory vaccines are not good. Do yourself a favour though and read up on the harm done with the H1N1 vaccine which was also rushed through. Your choice to risk it.

Fraser Bailey
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Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Dr Fauci and many others have a massive financial interest in a compulsory vaccine – or so it is said (I don’t really know). Either way, I suspect any vaccine will indeed be unnecessary by the time it arrives, and highly likely to do more harm than good, as others below are suggesting.

d.tjarlz
d.tjarlz
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

“…many others have a massive financial interest in a compulsory vaccine – or so it is said (I don’t really know)” Are you channeling Donald Trump?

danny.zbrusi
danny.zbrusi
3 years ago

A challenging and provoking article to say the least. The notion that the pharmaceutical companies would try to produce an iLi vaccine to combat Covid-19 for philanthropic reasons is risible!! However, leaving aside cynicism and the simplistic labels of pro or anti vaccine believers, there are some critical questions needing answers. Whether or not honest answers will be given is prejudicial so the veracity of the answer will require factual backing! This is a list of important questions:

1. Who are the parties funding the Oxford Research and what are the quantum of those funds from each of the parties?
2. What is the list of tissue types (animal and vegetable) used in researching, developing and the manufacturing of the vaccine?
3. Is it intended that the vaccine be mono- or multi – valent?
4. In the case of a multi-valent injection, what testing has been carried out to establish the potential reaction of each of vaccine types against the others?
5. In respect of the answers for 3, what comparative placebo testing has been carried out in the volunteer group(s)?
6. What preservatives are used in the vaccine(s)?
7. What is the estimated percentage of vaccinated persons who will have resistance to the target iLi?
8. Who is going to accept culpability in the case that ‘something’ goes wrong? (The Thalidomide ‘perfectly safe’ regime springs to mind)

An answer to the above will be a good start; will or can it be elicited?