Sadly true.. if by “Egypt” you mean the Sisi led Egyptian govt. But if you mean the Egyptian people you are totally wrong. The same goes for the filthy rich brown-nosed, self-interested leaders of all rhe other Arab states, except for Western Yemen run by the heroic Houthis.
MM
Martin M
2 months ago
Executive Summary: The Egyptian leadership knows what side its bread is buttered on.
But they do have to allow for national sentiment as well. Egypt is not immune to coups remember! It could all change overnight in Egypt!
CS
Charles Stanhope
2 months ago
Egypt is the real “ticking bomb” that Israel should have nightmares about, not HAMAS.
With a population of over 110 million and showing no signs of slowing down, logic dictates it must ‘explode’!
Then it really will be a time of ‘Vae Victis’.*
oops, Charlie speaks rare truth and so UnHerd’s usual herd disapproves! What a shocker!
JN
Jonathan Nash
2 months ago
The same is true of all the Arab states. None of their leadership has any real time for the mandate arabs, but they have to espouse their cause because of the extreme anti-Israeli sentiment of their populations. The result is that the displaced arabs of Palestine have spent eighty years thinking that somehow they can reverse 1948 and win tthe war which was lost then. After the current episode ends, the cycle will begin again.
It is part of the Arab culture, they make alliances when is suits them and will turn round and stab their former allies in the back as soon as it does not suit them. A sign that things are pretty settled in the Arab world is when villages / families are settling centuries old blood feuds between them, because there is no greater threat they need to stand together against.
Westerners, who think they can rationalise and therefore predict Arab behaviour, are deluding themselves.
Arab peoples are not just anti Zionist (I am that myself) but also passionately pro Palestinian… their religion, which they take very seriously btw, makes that obligatory and more important, heartfelt. You omitted to make that point.
RK
Ron Kean
2 months ago
Some people might remember the movie Blazing Saddles where an old White woman went around back to give the Black sheriff a pie. She told him not to tell anyone. She didn’t want to appear to like him. It’s the same thing with many Arab leaders. They like Israel but don’t want anyone to know.
The reason is simple. Anwar Sadat. He was the leader of Egypt who made friends with Israel and was killed during a parade. He was an example that I’m sure influences the decisions of leaders in the Muslim world. They risk death for friendship. It’s a wonder Trump did so well.
What’s with so-called Palestinians? They were happy to murder a former King of Jordan. They were kicked out of Jordan in Black September. Then they were kicked out of Lebanon. They led Saddam Hussein to the Kuwaiti oil fields and set hundreds of wells on fire. 300,000 were immediately expelled for that. Few even know all this.
Now, nobody wants to take them. Israel is stuck with them. They were given billions in aid and could have built electric grids, water works, farming communities and tourist attractions but didn’t. They built a military complex and provoked Israel for decades. Israel showed mercy and supplied them with water and electric. Israel tried to help and today is the result.
Egypt is running from the problem and everybody understands. The irony of the situation is how few Palestinians emigrate compared to Syrians, Algerians, Libyans and others from Arab ruled countries. In Israel there are many Arab MDs, businessmen and workers of every trade with amenities, freedom and first world medical care. It’s tough to shed jihadi roots.
Arab leaders like Israel? ..my arse for parsley! The greedy degenerates fear IsraelUS and love US dollars.. There you have it: Fear and greed.. and yes hatred too (the 3rd great motivator of the wicked).. hatred of Zionists, deep, profound even visceral.. but easily overridden by the other two motivators!
Iran doesn’t consider itself Arab. Iran leads the Shiites. Shiites are just 20% of the world Muslim population but Sunnis who are 80% fear Iran. The oil rich Sunnis believe Israel is able to stand up to Iran. That’s why Israel has flyover rights in Sunni countries. The Abraham accords included Israel with Sunni countries for, among other things, defense. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
AS
Adrian Smith
2 months ago
And some people think there should be a single state, from the river to the sea, where Israelis and Palestinian live peaceably side by side with equal rights.
Some people listen to Imagine by John Lennon and think it is a realistic proposition rather than drug fuelled hallucination.
Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs do indeed co-exist with equal rights and relatively peaceably. My statement was about Israelis (Jewish and Arab) and Palestinians. The idea that a single state on those lines would not lead to a genocide of one or the other is fanciful and I doubt the Israeli Arabs would fare particularly well within the ensuing battle.
That is grossly inaccurate. Jews in Turkey live unhindered with full citizens rights alongside their Muslim countrymen. I have a colleague there, a Jewish management consultant and 90% of his clients are Muslim. I’ve worked alongside him in Istanbul and Ankara.
You read to much US propaganda.
There’s a lot to be learned when you read Wikipedia’s “Turkish Jews” and scroll to the section on Antisemitism. The key report was, “In October 2013, it was reported that a mass exodus of Turkish Jews was underway. Reportedly, Turkish Jewish families are immigrating to Israel at the rate of one family per week on average, and hundreds of young Turkish Jews are also relocating to the United States and Europe.[98]” Turkey isn’t a haven for Jews but wealthy Jews probably know who to pay to be safe.
Nevertheless it WOULD work of tried
Indeed it DID work (after a fashion) under 100s of years of Ottoman rule. And one final point: the current system DOESN’T work, does it!
CB
Christopher Barclay
2 months ago
No mention of US aid to Egypt? Cut that and millions of Egyptians will be starving.
AL
Alex Lekas
2 months ago
It seems that Egypt and the rest of the Arab world has a choice to make: accept the presence of Israel and get involved in crafting a workable solution that does not include perpetual violence or not. No one likes Hamas, yet here we are on the verge of a potential regional conflict that no one wants.
JK
James Kirk
2 months ago
The Arab states are spineless ditherers. They are scared of the Russian backed Syrians and Iran. Hamas are destabilising murderers who have spent their aid money on tunnels, guns and rockets. They would never have engendered a prosperous sea side city, preferring to have Gaza in squalor surrounded by enemies.
Almost true.. but a prosperous Gaza city under IOF blockades? Dream on baby…
WB
William Brand
2 months ago
Sisi remembers that Egypt has lost 3 wars against Israel a nuclear power with no nukes involved. One bomb on the dam at lake Nasser sends a wall of radioactive water to destroy Egypt. Many Egyptian religious fanatics would risk it again, but Israel now has nukes and if they lost a conventional war would use their nuclear weapons.
This regrettably is very your. The devil has powers..
JL
Jack Martin Leith
2 months ago
Has UnHerd moved author bios down below so we can skip the article and go straight to the comments?
WB
William Brand
2 months ago
The 2-state solution is also an impossibility. Israel has proved willing to trade land for peace. They gave back the Sini and would remove settlers from the west bank etc. The Palestinians have refused to even consider this option and demand all of Israel. They continually refuse American efforts to impose this solution. The Jews know this and have given up trying to trade land for peace, but Biden keeps demanding them to do it even though there will be no peace if the Israeli withdraw from lands. This war can either end with genocide of the forceful exile of one side or another. The likely end will be the return of Christ with a divine mandate to “rule the nations with a rod of iron“. Perhaps Moslems will submit to a Devine decree, but I doubt it. Without Christ appearing in person, its nuclear genocide, an oppressive apartheid state or mass exile to Africa for the Palestinians. Some corrupt African rulers can be paid to take a minority group. Luckily, all prophetic signs indicate that Our Savior will soon descend from heaven to settle the problem.
I’d like to say your contribution is distorted but I’m afraid it is just plain lies.. Plans are already well under way for Israeli settlements in Gaza! Right now you can buy your Israeli seaside mansion in Gaza off the plans.. check it out.
Or maybe you prefer a view of the newly planned Ben Gurion Canal cutting Gaza in two?
The genacide is just a simple “resettlement” in advance of those two upcoming developments..
SR
Samuel Ross
2 months ago
How did Hamas get all its weaponry if not through Egypt? I guess the Egyptians aren’t so good at border security?
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Egypt wants nothing to do with Hamas or Palestine either. Its border with Gaza is blocked, but no one bats an eye.
Sadly true.. if by “Egypt” you mean the Sisi led Egyptian govt. But if you mean the Egyptian people you are totally wrong. The same goes for the filthy rich brown-nosed, self-interested leaders of all rhe other Arab states, except for Western Yemen run by the heroic Houthis.
Executive Summary: The Egyptian leadership knows what side its bread is buttered on.
But they do have to allow for national sentiment as well. Egypt is not immune to coups remember! It could all change overnight in Egypt!
Egypt is the real “ticking bomb” that Israel should have nightmares about, not HAMAS.
With a population of over 110 million and showing no signs of slowing down, logic dictates it must ‘explode’!
Then it really will be a time of ‘Vae Victis’.*
(*Clue: Latin.)
Little pompous even for you CS.*
*English
Praise indeed sir, praise indeed.
oops, Charlie speaks rare truth and so UnHerd’s usual herd disapproves! What a shocker!
The same is true of all the Arab states. None of their leadership has any real time for the mandate arabs, but they have to espouse their cause because of the extreme anti-Israeli sentiment of their populations. The result is that the displaced arabs of Palestine have spent eighty years thinking that somehow they can reverse 1948 and win tthe war which was lost then. After the current episode ends, the cycle will begin again.
It is part of the Arab culture, they make alliances when is suits them and will turn round and stab their former allies in the back as soon as it does not suit them. A sign that things are pretty settled in the Arab world is when villages / families are settling centuries old blood feuds between them, because there is no greater threat they need to stand together against.
Westerners, who think they can rationalise and therefore predict Arab behaviour, are deluding themselves.
Arab peoples are not just anti Zionist (I am that myself) but also passionately pro Palestinian… their religion, which they take very seriously btw, makes that obligatory and more important, heartfelt. You omitted to make that point.
Some people might remember the movie Blazing Saddles where an old White woman went around back to give the Black sheriff a pie. She told him not to tell anyone. She didn’t want to appear to like him. It’s the same thing with many Arab leaders. They like Israel but don’t want anyone to know.
The reason is simple. Anwar Sadat. He was the leader of Egypt who made friends with Israel and was killed during a parade. He was an example that I’m sure influences the decisions of leaders in the Muslim world. They risk death for friendship. It’s a wonder Trump did so well.
What’s with so-called Palestinians? They were happy to murder a former King of Jordan. They were kicked out of Jordan in Black September. Then they were kicked out of Lebanon. They led Saddam Hussein to the Kuwaiti oil fields and set hundreds of wells on fire. 300,000 were immediately expelled for that. Few even know all this.
Now, nobody wants to take them. Israel is stuck with them. They were given billions in aid and could have built electric grids, water works, farming communities and tourist attractions but didn’t. They built a military complex and provoked Israel for decades. Israel showed mercy and supplied them with water and electric. Israel tried to help and today is the result.
Egypt is running from the problem and everybody understands. The irony of the situation is how few Palestinians emigrate compared to Syrians, Algerians, Libyans and others from Arab ruled countries. In Israel there are many Arab MDs, businessmen and workers of every trade with amenities, freedom and first world medical care. It’s tough to shed jihadi roots.
Arab leaders like Israel? ..my arse for parsley! The greedy degenerates fear IsraelUS and love US dollars.. There you have it: Fear and greed.. and yes hatred too (the 3rd great motivator of the wicked).. hatred of Zionists, deep, profound even visceral.. but easily overridden by the other two motivators!
Iran doesn’t consider itself Arab. Iran leads the Shiites. Shiites are just 20% of the world Muslim population but Sunnis who are 80% fear Iran. The oil rich Sunnis believe Israel is able to stand up to Iran. That’s why Israel has flyover rights in Sunni countries. The Abraham accords included Israel with Sunni countries for, among other things, defense. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
And some people think there should be a single state, from the river to the sea, where Israelis and Palestinian live peaceably side by side with equal rights.
Some people listen to Imagine by John Lennon and think it is a realistic proposition rather than drug fuelled hallucination.
In this place called Israel, Jews and Palestinians do live in relative peace. In any Muslim nation, such a scene is far less common.
Israeli Jews and Israeli Arabs do indeed co-exist with equal rights and relatively peaceably. My statement was about Israelis (Jewish and Arab) and Palestinians. The idea that a single state on those lines would not lead to a genocide of one or the other is fanciful and I doubt the Israeli Arabs would fare particularly well within the ensuing battle.
Obviously you’ve never heard of post Apartheid South Africa then?? ..or post GFA Northern Ireland either?
South Africa is a bad example given the state’s policies aimed at ethnically cleansing its white minority.
That is grossly inaccurate. Jews in Turkey live unhindered with full citizens rights alongside their Muslim countrymen. I have a colleague there, a Jewish management consultant and 90% of his clients are Muslim. I’ve worked alongside him in Istanbul and Ankara.
You read to much US propaganda.
There’s a lot to be learned when you read Wikipedia’s “Turkish Jews” and scroll to the section on Antisemitism. The key report was, “In October 2013, it was reported that a mass exodus of Turkish Jews was underway. Reportedly, Turkish Jewish families are immigrating to Israel at the rate of one family per week on average, and hundreds of young Turkish Jews are also relocating to the United States and Europe.[98]” Turkey isn’t a haven for Jews but wealthy Jews probably know who to pay to be safe.
Maybe the Israelis should treat the Palestinians just like Turkey treats it’s Jews, Armenians and Kurds, perhaps.
Nevertheless it WOULD work of tried
Indeed it DID work (after a fashion) under 100s of years of Ottoman rule. And one final point: the current system DOESN’T work, does it!
No mention of US aid to Egypt? Cut that and millions of Egyptians will be starving.
It seems that Egypt and the rest of the Arab world has a choice to make: accept the presence of Israel and get involved in crafting a workable solution that does not include perpetual violence or not. No one likes Hamas, yet here we are on the verge of a potential regional conflict that no one wants.
The Arab states are spineless ditherers. They are scared of the Russian backed Syrians and Iran. Hamas are destabilising murderers who have spent their aid money on tunnels, guns and rockets. They would never have engendered a prosperous sea side city, preferring to have Gaza in squalor surrounded by enemies.
Almost true.. but a prosperous Gaza city under IOF blockades? Dream on baby…
Sisi remembers that Egypt has lost 3 wars against Israel a nuclear power with no nukes involved. One bomb on the dam at lake Nasser sends a wall of radioactive water to destroy Egypt. Many Egyptian religious fanatics would risk it again, but Israel now has nukes and if they lost a conventional war would use their nuclear weapons.
This regrettably is very your. The devil has powers..
Has UnHerd moved author bios down below so we can skip the article and go straight to the comments?
The 2-state solution is also an impossibility. Israel has proved willing to trade land for peace. They gave back the Sini and would remove settlers from the west bank etc. The Palestinians have refused to even consider this option and demand all of Israel. They continually refuse American efforts to impose this solution. The Jews know this and have given up trying to trade land for peace, but Biden keeps demanding them to do it even though there will be no peace if the Israeli withdraw from lands. This war can either end with genocide of the forceful exile of one side or another. The likely end will be the return of Christ with a divine mandate to “rule the nations with a rod of iron“. Perhaps Moslems will submit to a Devine decree, but I doubt it. Without Christ appearing in person, its nuclear genocide, an oppressive apartheid state or mass exile to Africa for the Palestinians. Some corrupt African rulers can be paid to take a minority group. Luckily, all prophetic signs indicate that Our Savior will soon descend from heaven to settle the problem.
I’d like to say your contribution is distorted but I’m afraid it is just plain lies.. Plans are already well under way for Israeli settlements in Gaza! Right now you can buy your Israeli seaside mansion in Gaza off the plans.. check it out.
Or maybe you prefer a view of the newly planned Ben Gurion Canal cutting Gaza in two?
The genacide is just a simple “resettlement” in advance of those two upcoming developments..
How did Hamas get all its weaponry if not through Egypt? I guess the Egyptians aren’t so good at border security?