Wow,,, I guess ‘Real Politic’, or speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
I really like the way he is a mess of contradictions – and reading what he says is entirely a ‘pick and chose’ game as the situation is untenable, has been so for 4 years, is part of ‘The Great Game’ (the Victorian era name for the West Imperial proxy war against Imperial Russia). It is a huge disaster and one with no way out unless the rules change completely. He cannot tell the historical and present truth, but can drop bits of it here and there, other wise he can not have any hope for his future.
The issue is The West created this war by baiting Russia to attack with the offer of joining NATO. This has been understood to mean Russia must go to war against the USA Proxy Ukraine. He says this – This is the entire War in one Paragraph:
”OA: I don’t think so. For me, the price for Ukraine to get into Nato is a big war with Russia, as I said in 2019, openly, it was in our media. I think the price for the West to get Ukraine inside Nato is a big war with Russia and the collective West are not ready to pay this price. This is a problem. And for me it’s completely unrealistic for Ukraine to even hope to be a part of the European Union or Nato. It’s impossible in this real-life situation.”
SEE? He knew, as did Everyone, that the offer of NATO to Ukraine would be war with Russia. It was 100% certain – he says so, everyone knew it. So Biden did just that! Biden and Boris caused this war, not Putin. Biden forced the war, Putin just responded to the forced provocation.
Biden Wanted this war! Congress wanted it – entirely a corrupt game. $200,000,000,000 two hundred billion spent and that is half way…. USA corrupt politicians got their 10%, corrupt Ukrainians got their 10%, the Military Industrial Complex get their 30%, and for All it is a huge feeding tough that all are snout down into.
To the corrupt in the West and Ukraine blood smells like money – and that is their greatest love, so spill lots of it, and every one gets rich – or those that matter get rich anyway. A million who do not matter get dead and crippled, and an entire generation and country destroyed but you have to crack the egg to make the omelet. haha….
And then is asked:
What could the West gain from a partnership between Ukraine and the West? I mean industry. I mean agriculture.
Well, after the war they send in Blackrock and Vanguard and the world’s greatest finance vultures and pick those bones clean. The mission was to destroy Both Russia and Ukraine – then they get to feast on both carcasses – to devour the minerals, energy, and so on in the pretense of ”Rebuilding”
Then they ‘Social Engineer’ these mostly White, Orthodox Christian lands and bring in 50 Million African and Middle East and Asian men to colonize them as they do in USA and Europe and break then for ever so the Globalists may own them…..
It was a long game – but here is the thing:
They LOST the War. Now BRICS+ are loosened on the world, and the West, instead of conquering the world has lost it.
Good job Biden and Boris and USA and EU Neo-Cons. This time you really messed up – not just other countries, but your own too.
Agree, although it took me about half an hour to get into it. The ending was a real eye opener and the only way forward for Ukraine to end this horrible war which took hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides. Sadly I have my suspicion, that Boris was playing out his inner Churchill, when the Ukraine nearly reached a deal with Russia.
JG
Jürg Gassmann
3 months ago
Thanks for bringing the interview.
SS
Stephanie Surface
3 months ago
Maybe Ukraine should be like an Eastern European Switzerland. It also has a multi-cultural/lingual population and is neutral. It seems like “translator” in the middle of Europe and isn’t a member of NATO or the EU.
It was hard to understand Mr.Arestovych and his NEW WORLD philosophy, but in the end I think, what he wanted was a neutral, multi-cultural/ lingual country between the East and the West, which seems pretty reasonable.
I still wonder what Boris did in those 3 days, when the conference failed. Hope he wasn’t talking Zelenskyy into this dreadful war, after the massacre in Bucha.
Boris let Zelensky know that if he bales on the misadventure with Russia, the CIA would kill him.
KF
Kevin Finegan
3 months ago
“The main problem of Ukraine is that some politicians starting in 1991 to transform Ukraine from a poly-cultural and poly-national state, into a more mono-ethnic and mono-cultural country, like most of European countries like Poland.”
&
“Ukrainian nationalism is the idea of less than 20% of Ukrainians.”
The first historically has meant either war, large scale ethnic cleasing, population swaps, or long term discrimination & assimilation. (e.g. Poland/Germany, Yugoslavia, Greece/Turkey and the Copts in Egypt) There aren’t peaceable ways to create a mono-ethnic population. But, if the cleansing only has the support of 20% of the population, odds are its going to mean a war that the nationalists lose.
SC
Sensible Citizen
3 months ago
Ukraine lost on day one. Putin didn’t declare war on Ukraine. He brought troops across the border to make a point that the Donbass must be liberated and the Azovs disbanded. And he wants a landbridge to Crimea. And he wants Ukraine out of NATO.
That was the time to negotiate. It has passed, and now that the US has abandoned Ukraine as they always do in these conflicts, Putin will chip away at the map. I don’t believe he wants all of Ukraine. Why would he? It’s a corrupt country full of homeless widows and amputees.
Zelensky will get his parachute compliments of the CIA, but Ukraine is a wasteland that will be picked to the bone by BlackRock.
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Wow,,, I guess ‘Real Politic’, or speaking out of both sides of your mouth.
I really like the way he is a mess of contradictions – and reading what he says is entirely a ‘pick and chose’ game as the situation is untenable, has been so for 4 years, is part of ‘The Great Game’ (the Victorian era name for the West Imperial proxy war against Imperial Russia). It is a huge disaster and one with no way out unless the rules change completely. He cannot tell the historical and present truth, but can drop bits of it here and there, other wise he can not have any hope for his future.
The issue is The West created this war by baiting Russia to attack with the offer of joining NATO. This has been understood to mean Russia must go to war against the USA Proxy Ukraine. He says this – This is the entire War in one Paragraph:
”OA: I don’t think so. For me, the price for Ukraine to get into Nato is a big war with Russia, as I said in 2019, openly, it was in our media. I think the price for the West to get Ukraine inside Nato is a big war with Russia and the collective West are not ready to pay this price. This is a problem. And for me it’s completely unrealistic for Ukraine to even hope to be a part of the European Union or Nato. It’s impossible in this real-life situation.”
SEE? He knew, as did Everyone, that the offer of NATO to Ukraine would be war with Russia. It was 100% certain – he says so, everyone knew it. So Biden did just that! Biden and Boris caused this war, not Putin. Biden forced the war, Putin just responded to the forced provocation.
Biden Wanted this war! Congress wanted it – entirely a corrupt game. $200,000,000,000 two hundred billion spent and that is half way…. USA corrupt politicians got their 10%, corrupt Ukrainians got their 10%, the Military Industrial Complex get their 30%, and for All it is a huge feeding tough that all are snout down into.
To the corrupt in the West and Ukraine blood smells like money – and that is their greatest love, so spill lots of it, and every one gets rich – or those that matter get rich anyway. A million who do not matter get dead and crippled, and an entire generation and country destroyed but you have to crack the egg to make the omelet. haha….
And then is asked:
What could the West gain from a partnership between Ukraine and the West? I mean industry. I mean agriculture.
Well, after the war they send in Blackrock and Vanguard and the world’s greatest finance vultures and pick those bones clean. The mission was to destroy Both Russia and Ukraine – then they get to feast on both carcasses – to devour the minerals, energy, and so on in the pretense of ”Rebuilding”
Then they ‘Social Engineer’ these mostly White, Orthodox Christian lands and bring in 50 Million African and Middle East and Asian men to colonize them as they do in USA and Europe and break then for ever so the Globalists may own them…..
It was a long game – but here is the thing:
They LOST the War. Now BRICS+ are loosened on the world, and the West, instead of conquering the world has lost it.
Good job Biden and Boris and USA and EU Neo-Cons. This time you really messed up – not just other countries, but your own too.
100% agreement.
What we need more of is common sense such as this.
One of the most interesting interviews on Unherd. Thank you.
Agree, although it took me about half an hour to get into it. The ending was a real eye opener and the only way forward for Ukraine to end this horrible war which took hundreds of thousands of lives on both sides. Sadly I have my suspicion, that Boris was playing out his inner Churchill, when the Ukraine nearly reached a deal with Russia.
Thanks for bringing the interview.
Maybe Ukraine should be like an Eastern European Switzerland. It also has a multi-cultural/lingual population and is neutral. It seems like “translator” in the middle of Europe and isn’t a member of NATO or the EU.
It was hard to understand Mr.Arestovych and his NEW WORLD philosophy, but in the end I think, what he wanted was a neutral, multi-cultural/ lingual country between the East and the West, which seems pretty reasonable.
I still wonder what Boris did in those 3 days, when the conference failed. Hope he wasn’t talking Zelenskyy into this dreadful war, after the massacre in Bucha.
Boris let Zelensky know that if he bales on the misadventure with Russia, the CIA would kill him.
“The main problem of Ukraine is that some politicians starting in 1991 to transform Ukraine from a poly-cultural and poly-national state, into a more mono-ethnic and mono-cultural country, like most of European countries like Poland.”
&
“Ukrainian nationalism is the idea of less than 20% of Ukrainians.”
The first historically has meant either war, large scale ethnic cleasing, population swaps, or long term discrimination & assimilation. (e.g. Poland/Germany, Yugoslavia, Greece/Turkey and the Copts in Egypt) There aren’t peaceable ways to create a mono-ethnic population. But, if the cleansing only has the support of 20% of the population, odds are its going to mean a war that the nationalists lose.
Ukraine lost on day one. Putin didn’t declare war on Ukraine. He brought troops across the border to make a point that the Donbass must be liberated and the Azovs disbanded. And he wants a landbridge to Crimea. And he wants Ukraine out of NATO.
That was the time to negotiate. It has passed, and now that the US has abandoned Ukraine as they always do in these conflicts, Putin will chip away at the map. I don’t believe he wants all of Ukraine. Why would he? It’s a corrupt country full of homeless widows and amputees.
Zelensky will get his parachute compliments of the CIA, but Ukraine is a wasteland that will be picked to the bone by BlackRock.