It is a mystery why DeSantis and Haley failed to understand that their best shot at 2028 ran through being Trump’s vice president in 2024.
Their egos and hedging their political bets did them in. Now their only hope for 2024 is something happens to Trump, and for 2028 they should hope his supporters forget the attacks of 2024.
I think Haley understands that being Trump’s Veep is an effective way to the White House. She might not even have to wait until 2028. Trump’s “Big Mac” diet is sure to do him in at some point.
I couldn’t imagine Trump picking Ramaswamy (or even De Santis, for that matter) as a running mate. Running mates are picked to give the campaign something the nominee doesn’t have. In Haley’s case, she is “female” and “from a Southern State” (I know Trump resides in Florida now, but he is still the quintessential New Yorker). De Santis is a pale wannabe Trump copy without affability or relatability. Ramaswamy is smarter than Trump, but that is unlikely to be something that Trump would appreciate.
Disagree about DeSantis. Seemingly he is pale and does not have Trump’s mania, zeal or fire but he does have skill, honest opinions, ability to build bridges and the wisdom to know what to fight. If it was not that we are in a fight to save civilisation against lunatics which requires a messianic figure I would much prefer DeSantis.
DeSantis is so obviously the best candidate in either party that it’s silly. I believe he’s still dealt with more dollars worth of negative attack ads than every candidate…combined.
This is for a guy that’s considered the 4th or 5th most likely candidate to become President. How is that even possible?
I’m not sure why being a “Bush in heels” is a bad thing. At least she has a personality, and seems sane, which distinguishes her from a number of other candidates.
A lot of folks remember us getting into what turned into never ending war under Bush, even if one of the two responses was somewhat justified. A reaction after 9/11 was to be expected. For it to become a dual-front, 20-year effort was not, especially one in which no one knew what ‘victory’ was and, as such, no one would be able to recognize it if it was achieved.
I agree that Gulf 1 and Gulf 2 were not handled well. Saddam should have been deposed after Gulf 1 (although I appreciate the political issues associated with that being done). Gulf 2 should have just involved flaming Saddam and his cronies, installing someone slightly less bad (who knew what side their bread was buttered on) and getting out.
Bingo…she is another Bush like neocon who has never met a war she doesn’t want to fight. There is no there with her. I am a registered Republican who cannot vote for her if she is the GOP candidate because I don’t know what she really stands for, other than power.
That is what differentiates R’s and the D’s. The D’s tend to stand by their candidate. The R’s are notorious for pecking their own candidate to bits. The main result is that the R’s sit on the bench and complain about what’s happening whilst the D’s pillage.
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Martin M
3 months ago
To me, everything in the article suggests that Haley is an extremely effective politician.
TG
J Guy
3 months ago
I don’t think Oliver Bateman has actually listened to Haley speak, criticizing Republican overspending and excess as much as the Democrats. She’s the only one who seems willing to address the spending and entitlement excesses left to Americans by a generation of sociopaths.
TD
Tyler Durden
3 months ago
It’s worth saying that a huckster like Bolton will go and work for Trump again and say nothing about Iran there. At best he will cancel the Democrats’ horrible reheated nuclear deal but Trump will do that all by himself.
In contrast, Ms Haley has no interest in Iran. However, she may be the last generation of neocons to give full military support to Israel. The question is what will replace this cross-party position?
In any case, I would not like to see her VP as a GOP victory will hopefully see a peace deal for the Ukraine in 2025.
I agree with you … and would have to hold my nose to vote for her because I recognize that neocons and corporates are here to stay.
JB
Jeremy Bray
3 months ago
“she chastised Trump for his response to the Capitol riots, yet strongly opposed his second impeachment (“Give the man a break”)”.
This doesn’t seem strange to me. It shows she has a sense of proportion.
Thank you ! This may be the one authentic moment I can find. Well, that and her defense of Israel as UN Ambassador. I find it hard to like her and put my faith in her. She seems very “made in America” and I am not sure why that bothers me. I don’t and didn’t like HRC either. I don’t think I have an issue with female leaders because there are many I do like. But she does seem corporate-like, and not statesman -like. I think maybe it’s because she seems patronizing of the little people rather than having their backs, like Trump does. For all his money and mouth, I like him and trust him. When he says vote for me because I know the corrupt inside and I’ll work against it, I believe him. With Haley, not so much.
Beautifully put. “made in America”. It’s not the America bit that’s troublesome but the “made”. She is fabricated. No one would want to lean on her.
AL
Alex Lekas
3 months ago
Let’s not act as if something unprecedented is happening here. Haley’s periodic shape-shifting mirrors that of virtually everyone else who has ever sought high office. It’s what they do. At heart, Haley is a creature of the establishment. She has seen how the sausage is made, she has benefited from its making. Haley is not a caricature of the center-right candidate; she’s practically right out of central casting, reliably parroting the same talking points that the likes of Romney, Graham, and a host of other political lifers repeat on command.
Well said! And if this author is writing about it, we know for sure it’s complete parody.
ML
Martin Layfield
3 months ago
Hayley supposedly said that America needs Israel more than the other way round. Now, if you asked me to choose between Israel or Palestine, I’d opt for Israel. But Haley’s statement is so false that she either has an extremely poor grasp of history and/or is just a blatant panderer.
JP
John Pade
3 months ago
If she and DeSantis are all the Republicans have to offer, we’re in trouble. Last night they made it look like four more years of Biden might not be the worst thing for America.
I don’t believe it’s flaws in DeSantis or Haley that have created this outcome even though they were plain to see. Rather, it’s the extended, poorly planned, and horribly produced series of debates the party put together that is to blame.
No one seemed to consider that a long series of monthly debates would eventually spiral into a circular firing squad. That it would wound and diminish the whole field, the survivor most of all.
It took less than one round of questions for each debate to become a food fight: no order, let alone manners, no adult to keep the kids in order, only (mostly failed) gotchas and incoherence all over the place.
What could an independent voter think of the candidates and the Republican Party, assuming he had the grit to listen more than five minutes?
Reliance to the point of dependence on staff to negatively research opponents and contort whatever they found, inability to clearly state their own positions and goals without interspersing them with random attacks on their rivals, to explain their accomplishments and the challenges they faced and why that experience prepared them to be president: this is what the debates didn’t do.
The debates were a very poor reflection on the Republican Party and a great disservice to the candidates and the American people.
The candidates are a poor reflection of the Republican Party and a huge disservice to the American people. I’ve been so disappointed with the offerings from the GOP that I left the Party in 2016 and became “undeclared”. You’d think that with all the choices one would be a shining example of decorum, honesty, leadership, statesmanship, integrity, global political knowledge, supporting the Constitution, and supportive of our military, but nooooo.
FM
Francisco Menezes
3 months ago
Saw here somewhere described as a MIC-lobbyist disguised as an ageing MILF. That is a lot of acronyms in one description. Her finances are truly baffling on an LBJ-scale.
BL
Brian Lemon
3 months ago
Choose any political candidate you don’t like and you can write an essay justifying your dislike. These people are politicians who (stealing a movie line here) will kiss your baby while stealing her lollipop. Show me a candidate who does not behave like a politician and I’ll show you someone who won’t win an election.
SR
Samuel Ross
3 months ago
In politics, one must be all things to all people, while doing the things that matter most. It’s a delicate dance, but the one who can do it well, will prosper.
C
Christopher
3 months ago
Why all the fuss, Trump will be the nominee.
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No. There aren’t any true hues anywhere with Haley. Beneath the empty suit there is only a weathervane.
You say that as if its a bad thing. Being “everything to everybody” is a very useful political talent.
Maybe in terms of getting elected, but once in power that’talent’ becomes a total liability
Getting elected is all that matters these days. With it comes the power to enrich yourself and your allies.
….or indeed the power to govern.
It is a mystery why DeSantis and Haley failed to understand that their best shot at 2028 ran through being Trump’s vice president in 2024.
Their egos and hedging their political bets did them in. Now their only hope for 2024 is something happens to Trump, and for 2028 they should hope his supporters forget the attacks of 2024.
I think Haley understands that being Trump’s Veep is an effective way to the White House. She might not even have to wait until 2028. Trump’s “Big Mac” diet is sure to do him in at some point.
Agreed. I think Vivek Ramaswamy has also been playing that game since the beginning of his campaign, although he denies it.
I couldn’t imagine Trump picking Ramaswamy (or even De Santis, for that matter) as a running mate. Running mates are picked to give the campaign something the nominee doesn’t have. In Haley’s case, she is “female” and “from a Southern State” (I know Trump resides in Florida now, but he is still the quintessential New Yorker). De Santis is a pale wannabe Trump copy without affability or relatability. Ramaswamy is smarter than Trump, but that is unlikely to be something that Trump would appreciate.
Disagree about DeSantis. Seemingly he is pale and does not have Trump’s mania, zeal or fire but he does have skill, honest opinions, ability to build bridges and the wisdom to know what to fight. If it was not that we are in a fight to save civilisation against lunatics which requires a messianic figure I would much prefer DeSantis.
I agree. Also DeSantis is much smarter than Trump and it shows in his real achievements in Florida, but he sadly misses charisma.
DeSantis shows what happens to charisma when it is left out of the refrigerator too long.
DeSantis is so obviously the best candidate in either party that it’s silly. I believe he’s still dealt with more dollars worth of negative attack ads than every candidate…combined.
This is for a guy that’s considered the 4th or 5th most likely candidate to become President. How is that even possible?
If you had to sum DeSantis up in one word, that word would be “creepy”. That isn’t a good thing in a politician.
DeSantis is entirely unrelatable though. How many other politicians can’t seem to manage to smile without looking creepy when they do so?
DeSantis could pull it off but Haley is getting a strong hell no right now. She is pretty much seen as another Bush but in heels.
I’m not sure why being a “Bush in heels” is a bad thing. At least she has a personality, and seems sane, which distinguishes her from a number of other candidates.
A lot of folks remember us getting into what turned into never ending war under Bush, even if one of the two responses was somewhat justified. A reaction after 9/11 was to be expected. For it to become a dual-front, 20-year effort was not, especially one in which no one knew what ‘victory’ was and, as such, no one would be able to recognize it if it was achieved.
I agree that Gulf 1 and Gulf 2 were not handled well. Saddam should have been deposed after Gulf 1 (although I appreciate the political issues associated with that being done). Gulf 2 should have just involved flaming Saddam and his cronies, installing someone slightly less bad (who knew what side their bread was buttered on) and getting out.
Bingo…she is another Bush like neocon who has never met a war she doesn’t want to fight. There is no there with her. I am a registered Republican who cannot vote for her if she is the GOP candidate because I don’t know what she really stands for, other than power.
That is what differentiates R’s and the D’s. The D’s tend to stand by their candidate. The R’s are notorious for pecking their own candidate to bits. The main result is that the R’s sit on the bench and complain about what’s happening whilst the D’s pillage.
To me, everything in the article suggests that Haley is an extremely effective politician.
I don’t think Oliver Bateman has actually listened to Haley speak, criticizing Republican overspending and excess as much as the Democrats. She’s the only one who seems willing to address the spending and entitlement excesses left to Americans by a generation of sociopaths.
It’s worth saying that a huckster like Bolton will go and work for Trump again and say nothing about Iran there. At best he will cancel the Democrats’ horrible reheated nuclear deal but Trump will do that all by himself.
In contrast, Ms Haley has no interest in Iran. However, she may be the last generation of neocons to give full military support to Israel. The question is what will replace this cross-party position?
In any case, I would not like to see her VP as a GOP victory will hopefully see a peace deal for the Ukraine in 2025.
You mean you think it is a problem that she will not urge Ukraine to capitulate to Russia?
By “peace deal”, you mean “Russia completes its invasion, and commits war crimes to its heart’s content”?
I do not understand this woman’s appeal. All I see is a war-loving neocon whose only principal is a love of corportate dollars.
I agree with you … and would have to hold my nose to vote for her because I recognize that neocons and corporates are here to stay.
“she chastised Trump for his response to the Capitol riots, yet strongly opposed his second impeachment (“Give the man a break”)”.
This doesn’t seem strange to me. It shows she has a sense of proportion.
Thank you ! This may be the one authentic moment I can find. Well, that and her defense of Israel as UN Ambassador. I find it hard to like her and put my faith in her. She seems very “made in America” and I am not sure why that bothers me. I don’t and didn’t like HRC either. I don’t think I have an issue with female leaders because there are many I do like. But she does seem corporate-like, and not statesman -like. I think maybe it’s because she seems patronizing of the little people rather than having their backs, like Trump does. For all his money and mouth, I like him and trust him. When he says vote for me because I know the corrupt inside and I’ll work against it, I believe him. With Haley, not so much.
Beautifully put. “made in America”. It’s not the America bit that’s troublesome but the “made”. She is fabricated. No one would want to lean on her.
Let’s not act as if something unprecedented is happening here. Haley’s periodic shape-shifting mirrors that of virtually everyone else who has ever sought high office. It’s what they do. At heart, Haley is a creature of the establishment. She has seen how the sausage is made, she has benefited from its making. Haley is not a caricature of the center-right candidate; she’s practically right out of central casting, reliably parroting the same talking points that the likes of Romney, Graham, and a host of other political lifers repeat on command.
Well said! And if this author is writing about it, we know for sure it’s complete parody.
Hayley supposedly said that America needs Israel more than the other way round. Now, if you asked me to choose between Israel or Palestine, I’d opt for Israel. But Haley’s statement is so false that she either has an extremely poor grasp of history and/or is just a blatant panderer.
If she and DeSantis are all the Republicans have to offer, we’re in trouble. Last night they made it look like four more years of Biden might not be the worst thing for America.
I don’t believe it’s flaws in DeSantis or Haley that have created this outcome even though they were plain to see. Rather, it’s the extended, poorly planned, and horribly produced series of debates the party put together that is to blame.
No one seemed to consider that a long series of monthly debates would eventually spiral into a circular firing squad. That it would wound and diminish the whole field, the survivor most of all.
It took less than one round of questions for each debate to become a food fight: no order, let alone manners, no adult to keep the kids in order, only (mostly failed) gotchas and incoherence all over the place.
What could an independent voter think of the candidates and the Republican Party, assuming he had the grit to listen more than five minutes?
Reliance to the point of dependence on staff to negatively research opponents and contort whatever they found, inability to clearly state their own positions and goals without interspersing them with random attacks on their rivals, to explain their accomplishments and the challenges they faced and why that experience prepared them to be president: this is what the debates didn’t do.
The debates were a very poor reflection on the Republican Party and a great disservice to the candidates and the American people.
It is easy to see why Trump went nowhere near them.
The candidates are a poor reflection of the Republican Party and a huge disservice to the American people. I’ve been so disappointed with the offerings from the GOP that I left the Party in 2016 and became “undeclared”. You’d think that with all the choices one would be a shining example of decorum, honesty, leadership, statesmanship, integrity, global political knowledge, supporting the Constitution, and supportive of our military, but nooooo.
Saw here somewhere described as a MIC-lobbyist disguised as an ageing MILF. That is a lot of acronyms in one description. Her finances are truly baffling on an LBJ-scale.
Choose any political candidate you don’t like and you can write an essay justifying your dislike. These people are politicians who (stealing a movie line here) will kiss your baby while stealing her lollipop. Show me a candidate who does not behave like a politician and I’ll show you someone who won’t win an election.
In politics, one must be all things to all people, while doing the things that matter most. It’s a delicate dance, but the one who can do it well, will prosper.
Why all the fuss, Trump will be the nominee.