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AC Harper
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AC Harper
5 months ago

If this, and this, and this then Trump is toast. Or not.
I love the smell of desperation in the morning.

T Bone
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T Bone
5 months ago
Reply to  AC Harper

I love how a guy from the BBC is trying to influence American elections by telling Democrats to vote in Republican primaries so the Global Establishment can get its preferred candidates in the General. They care so much about “Saving Democracy” that they have to manipulate it to preserve it.

You could never organize enough Conservative Republicans to affect a Democrat Primary. For Democrats, there is no such moral dilemma.

Hugh Bryant
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Hugh Bryant
5 months ago

You can smell the fear, can’t you? Brace yourselves for an entire year of Orange Man worse than Bad on the Today programme.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Justin’s actually quite a realist on these things. If you listen to Americast he often does present a sympathetic right wing point of view.
The people who criticise the “orange man bad” media line are just as bad as those in the media. They are the “orange man good” group who are incapable of seeing the man’s flaws.
Webb no doubt sees that Trump is far from perfect but he also sees why so many would support him.

Hugh Bryant
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Hugh Bryant
5 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

I don’t think anyone is ‘incapable of seeing the man’s flaws’. But put yourself in the position of any US voter who is not a war-mongering Clintonian neo-liberal: what other choice do you have?

Matt Hindman
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Matt Hindman
5 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Let’s see. I could take your word on it or I could just go by the sheer amount of articles he has wrote here and other places suggesting otherwise.

Chipoko
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Chipoko
5 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

 he often does present a sympathetic right wing point of view.
Hmmm. Not in his BBC Radio 4 Today broadcasts!

A D Kent
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A D Kent
5 months ago

I didn’t come here for the game-show/horse-race view of politics – I can get those on the Today programme should I ever bother to start listening to it again. 

I suppose It’s moderately interesting to learn that some of the contestants are, in your expert opinion, too ‘weird’ or too ‘nice’.  Likewise the shuffling of the Primaries & voting rules and all that. But it might have been interesting to include some of the policies on offer from either side or commentary on the lack of them. Perhaps something on such trivialities as the follow-through on promises made in 2020 or the actual standard of living of Iowans or any other Americans since the last election. 

Note to Unherd – how can the views of a prominent BBC Journalist from their ‘flagship’ be considered as anything other than mainstream? Webb is the very personification of Establishment views – he has a massive platform to express them every day with his (tiresome) huffs, hums and performative incredulity in his interviews. At least that’s how I remember his MO from a couple of years ago when I stopped listening – apologies if he’s altered his game much since then.

Chipoko
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Chipoko
5 months ago
Reply to  A D Kent

Spot on! Continue not to listen!

Matt Hindman
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Matt Hindman
5 months ago

Do I sense a lot of wishful thinking on the part of Mr. Webb? The problem is not that if Haley or DeSantis are really lucky they might win Iowa. The problem is that it will barely put a dent in the Donald with how overwhelming he is everywhere else. DeSantis could not find his footing (or where he stood on the divides in the party) and Haley is pretty much only popular in GOP megadonor imaginations while extolling the virtues of letting big business set immigration numbers and talking about destroying the First Amendment (I am absolutely serious). They need to find something to get their campaigns going again and I doubt more campaign funds will be it.

Last edited 5 months ago by Matt Hindman
Samuel Ross
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Samuel Ross
5 months ago

New England Democrats make me tired. Democrats are a strange breed, but the New England type just annoy me.

Last edited 5 months ago by Samuel Ross
Warren Trees
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Warren Trees
5 months ago
Reply to  Samuel Ross

I personally have contempt for the gun-loving, Catholic, mom and apple pie democrats, who decry high taxes, crime and insane foreign entanglements, yet vote D.

Ian McKinney
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Ian McKinney
5 months ago

I can’t stand Trump. He’s a boor, a bully, and he wouldn’t have got anywhere in life without his dad’s money.

That being said, I would bet my house on him getting the nomination, and if Biden is the democrat he has to beat, he will beat him, and comfortably.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Ian McKinney

Agreed on all points. And it’s hard to know what will be more of a mess: 4 more years of Trump or whatever happens if he misses out in a close election again.

Charles Stanhope
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Charles Stanhope
5 months ago
Reply to  Ian McKinney

I totally agree. He is a slob who ‘doesn’t know how to behave’ and worse, a disgusting ‘draft dodger’ BUT he’s still better than anyone else.

George Venning
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George Venning
5 months ago

Horsefeathers. In the view of the author, it would take about three improbable events for Trump not to win in Iowa, from which he extrapolates to saying that a freak loss in Iowa based on a fundamentally local fit of pique might then ripple out across the nation to affect the national poll.
Well, don’t forget to buy a lottery ticket…
First if Iowa mattered as much as the author says, then Joe Biden wouldn’t be president today – we’d have either President Buttigieg, Sanders or Warren – all of whom beat Biden handily in Iowa.
But we don’t because it isn’t. 538 ran a piece back in August which tried to make a similar case. They argued that, although Trump was miles ahead and most candidates who had been that far ahead in previous elections had generally won, Ted Kennedy had lost when he was polling at 66%. So, you know, everything to play for.
And yet, in the entire article, there was no mention of Chappaquiddick – perhaps the most extraordinary presidential scandal of all time. So, a more sensible take on that article and this would be that, to derail Trump at this point would require a Chappaquiddick-scale event.
However, even that probably wouldn’t be enough. Kennedy was, at that point, posing as an all American hero, a white knight with no blot on his escutcheon. When he drove a woman he was not married to off a bridge in the middle of the night and then failed to fetch help until the following morning resulting in her slow death by suffocation, it dramatically changed what people thought of him. Trump, by contrast, comes pre-tarnished and blotted in every conceivable way and he is still polling light years ahead of everyone else. It is hard to imagine any scandal which would substantially alter his supporters’ image of him – short of removing his mask mid-rally to reveal that he’d been Jeffrey Epstein all along.
And finally, if holding the first primaries in the nation were even half as consequential as all that then it would be profoundly undemocratic for it to be held in the same two states each year.
This is a sentimental political fantasy

Alex Carnegie
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Alex Carnegie
5 months ago

The bookmaker odds suggest there is a 30% chance Biden won’t be the Democratic candidate. My hunch is this is too low and that – one way or another – they will end up with someone else.

Charles Stanhope
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Charles Stanhope
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex Carnegie

Any contenders you can think of to replace “the living corpse “?

David Lawrence
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David Lawrence
5 months ago

An actual corpse would probably be an improvement

AC Harper
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AC Harper
5 months ago
Reply to  David Lawrence

Strap the corpse into the Presidential limousine and drive it around Washington to deter the barbarians at the gate…

Stephanie Surface
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Stephanie Surface
5 months ago
Reply to  David Lawrence

Which will still be animated by Obama. You wouldn’t know the difference

Chipoko
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Chipoko
5 months ago
Reply to  David Lawrence
Chipoko
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Chipoko
5 months ago
Reply to  David Lawrence

Ha Ha! Enjoyed that one!

Carlos Danger
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Carlos Danger
5 months ago
Reply to  Alex Carnegie

I will be very surprised if Joe Biden is the nominee. He’s already sometimes very hard to watch on television. Based on what I’ve seen from the decline of my father and then mother, he won’t get any better and in fact will get worse. Running for president demands more than he will be able to give. You can only hide so much.
It reminds me of the embarrassment of Robert Mueller. Many people thought he was in charge of the investigation being run in his name. When he testified before Congress it was clear that he was not.

Brian Lemon
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Brian Lemon
4 months ago
Reply to  Alex Carnegie

Father Time is undefeated. Biden is an old man getting older by the day; if he’s elected get ready for President Harris.

Allison Barrows
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Allison Barrows
5 months ago

Strange article. Despite Mr. Webb’s description in his byline, it seems as though his knowledge and experience of America is similar to mine of the UK: I’ve visited a few times but the rest I know about my ancestral homeland is largely gleaned from British publications and entertainment.

Until very recently, I lived in New Hampshire for 30 years. The formerly sane state has gone full Democrat, including its “Republican” nepo baby governor, Chris Sununu. If Biden’s puppeteers were worried about losing NH, it certainly wasn’t because Granite Staters want GOP leadership, and Trump is despised in “hate has no home here” yard sign land.

Last edited 5 months ago by Allison Barrows
Warren Trees
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Warren Trees
5 months ago

We should print up new signs that read, “Hate has a home here after all” and place them alongside the “River to the Sea” signs.

Christopher Barclay
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Christopher Barclay
5 months ago

The US is being tested because China, Russia, Iran and their proxies see a senile old man in the White House. They didn’t dare test Trump. Whoever wins in 2024, for the sake of the world let’s hope it is someone without dementia.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago

China called him a dotard. Russia didn’t need to test him because he was their man. Iran restarted its nuclear programme after Trump crashed out of the JCPOA.

Champagne Socialist
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Champagne Socialist
5 months ago

“They didn’t dare test Trump.”
This is hilarious! Trump folded in the face of every single bully from overseas. And his butt kissing of Putin was embarrassing.
Remember when he ran away from a summit because Justin Trudeau was mean to him – fantastic!!!

laurence scaduto
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laurence scaduto
5 months ago

Too much horse-race nonsense. Unaffiliated voters are a plurality; in other words more voters are not represented in DC than those who are. Many of us are already fed up with this election crap.
Enough already!!

J Bryant
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J Bryant
5 months ago

A very enjoyable article, not least for its imaginative take on the Iowa caucus.

Steve Murray
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Steve Murray
5 months ago

As someone who doesn’t understand the various stages of the US electoral process, the article provided an interesting insight into the seemingly labyrinthine subtleties which would otherwise go unnoticed on this side of the Atlantic.

I’d be amazed if anything like a majority of US voters knew what was happening outside their own state, but happy to be corrected on that point.

Billy Bob
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Billy Bob
5 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

It looks exhausting, seemingly drags on for an eternity and at the end is won by whoever has the deepest pockets. Then they have to do it all over again for the proper election. Give me a short sharp general election any day of the week

Last edited 5 months ago by Billy Bob
UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago
Reply to  Billy Bob

And the whole thing is decided by like <100,000 swing voters in a few key states. Still the greatest show on earth.

A D Kent
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A D Kent
5 months ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

If you’re interested in the horse-race aspects may I recommend http://www.nakedcapitalism.com – especially their ‘2pm Water cooler’ & ‘Links’ posts. There are always fascinating articles to find there – with many from UnHerd in their lists. I’m in Hove, but find their US output very readable and other output fascinating.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
5 months ago

Ignore the biased people in the comments calling this desperation or “cope”. This was an interesting write up and gave food for thought outside of either wing of the mainstream’s coverage.

Vesper Stamper
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Vesper Stamper
5 months ago

The typos in this article—omg, where is the editor?!?!?!

Jonathan Andrews
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Jonathan Andrews
5 months ago

Justin Webb seems to be channelling Alistair Cooke’s Letter From America.

Carlos Danger
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Carlos Danger
5 months ago

It wasn’t the local Democrats who insisted on holding their primary out of turn. The Republicans set the date for both primaries.

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