Immigraton has consequences, David.
The Hamas propaganda is not that subtle. If you scratch below the surface, it boils down to we are muslims, and we are more numerous than jews.
Al Aqsa has featured a series of music videos aimed at radicalising children. In one, a four-year-old girl is seen singing to her “mother”, identified as “mother Reem” (an apparent reference to Hamas’s first female suicide bomber Reem Riyashi). Later in the video, the woman blows herself up, killing four Israeli soldiers. After her mother carries out the attack, the little girl holds an explosive and sings to the camera: “I am following Mommy in her steps.”
We’ve reached peak postmodernism–Hamas is somehow both the greatest parody of terrorist groups ever, and one played horribly, horribly straight.
Maybe see the difference in the message? Or put the blunt down.
KB
Kathleen Burnett
4 months ago
Activists in the West are already in a strange mental state; it’s not classic insanity, more an addiction that has them in its grip. They become social diodes, allowing the free passage of dogma which comforts them, but denying entry to ideas which would cure their addiction. Hamas have them as puppets.
Lurve the ‘social diodes’. What a brilliant analogy. Not sure that I agree with what you say.
To me, these things are much simpler and they boil down to old vs young. Reminds me of the US in about 1970 when the older people supported the war and the young didn’t. In Europe in 1968 all of the young people were marching around waving the little Red Book.
Young people will always take the opposite side to that of the establishment. Try telling an 18-year-old about ‘common sense’; the point being that common sense develops with age.
IMO if the establishment (newspapers and TV) ignored the trans movement it would just die a death. By constantly presenting the views of the old people, as on this site, we are just fanning the flames.
So we enter the “I’m right and you’re wrong.” argument. In 1968 there were riots in France when young people walked around with Mao’s Red Book, trying to bring down the government – and they almost did.
My point is not Arab vs Israeli. I am talking about the article, about the media struggle, about winning over young minds. From my experience, young minds reject the view of the establishment.
So, if our establishment favour one side the young people favour another. This has gone on for the whole of history but more striking now because of the internet.
In the 1960’s & 1970’s there was a clear Generational Gap that does not exist today.The values between the war generation and the baby boomers were very different.It began to change when the baby boomers became parents and their children adopted their parents entitlement altitudes.The War Generation regarded their children and grand children as selfish and spoilt.Todays young are embracing Anti-Israeli altitudes because the Western leftwing educational and cultural establishment is overwhelming Pro-Palestinian (note 3000 UK media figures signed the SteveCoogan Pro-Palestinian petition 2 days after oct 7 without any comdemnation of Hamas atrocities) and that liberal-left wing establishment have made it fashionable to be Anti-Israeli.
Cheering on the slaughter of Jewish people goes way beyond simple intergenerational conflict. We in the West are sleepwalking our way into World War III.
It’s not a war because Gaza doesn’t have an army. It’s slaughter funded by massive US military support. Israel has dropped munitions with greater destructive force than Hiroshima, it has killed more children than all wars worldwide since 2019. No wonder the majority of people worldwide and the overwhelming majority of countries support a ceasefire and side with Palestine
What is Hamas? You remember that group; it’s the one that perpetrated the October 7 atrocity. And Hamas retains hostages. Well, at least the ones who are still alive. It is an ongoing curiosity that much is asked of Israel while nothing is expected of the Arabs, and the latter seldom disappoints.
Oh, since 2019???? (bet something bad happened in 2018.) And to this idjit, it’s precisely because Hamas doesn’t field an army even though it has 30K fighters but knows it can’t even touch israel militarily thatit resorts to the barbarity and chickensh*t tactics that expose its own citizens to death by aerial bombing. Hamas leaders have been quoted as rationalizing why the tunnels and food are for their fighters and not for their own citizenry, saying it’s up to Israel and UN to protect civilians. They’ve been quoted as saying they will repeat oct. 7 again and again. All that is needed for the conflict to end is for Hamas to surrender and release the hostages. Your sort always leaves out that part. As for all the countries supporting “Palestine,” who cares? Many are dictatorships, and most are scared to death of their Muslim populations or minorities. Sensible people with a moral compass stand with Israel.
Palestinians need to be disabused of the notion that Israel will cease to exist.
The only way to do that is to punish them so severely that they give up.
In addition to indiscriminte & endless bombing, and starvation, the IDF is wantonly using white phosphorous on a defenceless population … is that not punishment enough?
You don’t even have to read this agitprop to know what it says. blah blah indiscriminate (it isn’t) blah blah endless (want it to end? release hostages and surrender) blah blah white phosphorous (wrong war, your sort always trots that one out). And no, it’s not. Not until they’re gone.
Thank you for this report. I agree that Hamas media should not be censored, but distributed freely with subtitling. This would be far more convincing. I have seen a couple of sequences of interviews and did not need any further comment on their intentions. But I did not know that the indoctrination of their own people went that far on such a huge scale.
Perhaps people will begin questioning the veracity of the “religion of peace”.
AL
Alex Lekas
4 months ago
Is there a single place that has been made better by the introduction of Islam? None in the West and it’s hard to see how the predominantly Muslim areas have benefited but they’re not my concern. To the article, the Hamas media operation has received a lot of help from Western press people, who are eager to push the oppressor/oppressed narrative.
In some circles, you wonder if October 7 ever happened. We can debate if the Israeli counter has been over the top, and it might be worth considering what happens if a cease fire is declared. This began during a cease fire. Has Hamas experienced a come-to-Allah moment in which it has decided to love fellow Muslims more than it hates the Jews? I don’t see much pondering of that, just incessant calls for this to stop as if that alone is a solution.
JE
james elliott
4 months ago
It seems beyond doubt that if every single Palestinian were struck from the face of the Earth by a vengeful God tomorrow, the world would be a notably better place.
I despair that this despicable comment has two likes. Unherd’s readership are consumed with a righteous hatred. Can you not see that you are the other side of the violent ideology you are complaining about?
Sadly, the only thing these violent Islamists understand IS violence and a show of extreme force.They are resolute in their aims and are remorseless in their goal of cleaning the earth of infidels. Starting first with the Jews of course. This hatred knows no bounds. I would be much, much more despairing of knowing that this worldview resides in the minds of millions of Muslims.
How us pointing out the sad truth racist? I’m sure the millions of Muslims who see their religion hijacked by these maniacs feel exactly the same way. Such unintelligent analysis, as usual, by someone who thinks they know the meaning of racism. Progressives have made the word utterly meaningless.
100% correct. This person is no better morally than the savages who committed the atrocities on October 7th.
RS
Russell Sharpe
4 months ago
“If Israel is overwhelmingly dominant on the ground, it is hopefully outmatched by Hamas and its supporters online.”
I found myself somewhat perplexed by the use of the word ‘hopefully’ here. Hopefully this is the older usage, signifying what Hamas supporters hope rather than what the author does.
I think he meant “hopelessly outmatched,” which is true, unfortunately. However, they aren’t outmatched where it counts. In the real world.
MK
Mike K
4 months ago
Wrong. It is the flabby, decadent, childless West that is losing the propaganda war.
HS
harry storm
4 months ago
The only reason this “crude” propaganda works is because the audience that buys into it is also crude. As for the lefties who buy it, they’re ideologically blinded by Israel/Western hate, so they’ll buy anything along those lines.
HS
harry storm
4 months ago
If I have to choose between losing the propaganda war and the real one, I’ll choose the former every time.
MR
Mrs R
4 months ago
“The movie encouraged “mosque youth” to act as informants for Hamas-controlled intelligence organisations”
Unbelievably the term ‘terrorist’ seems to have been glamorised . I suggest that those who seek to indoctrinate youth so as to recruit them to their vile causes are called out for what they are: fascists.
UnHerd Reader
4 months ago
If Farfour the Mouse is beaten to death by Isreali intelligence in a cartoon this is because artimitates life. In real life this is the reality as today’s beating by IDF, and hospitalisation, of a Turkish journalist testifies. Also reflect on the death of 34 journalists and 145 UN observers. It’s a bit rich complaining about Hamas manipulation of media when Isreal, in true fascist style, in fact the first rule of fascism, to control the narrative and control the media. Hence no foreign independent reports from Gaza, unlike for example, Ukraine, Syria, Iraq. Another completely one sided column from Unherd. Can’t wait to unsubscribe when contract allows. By the way Hamas, like IDF and Isreali govt, are despicable, blood thirsty, hate filled human beings.
No you would be hilariously funny if your views weren’t so tragic and stupid.
TD
Tyler Durden
4 months ago
Israel’s right-wing government is now an anti-propagand machine and if that doesn’t sound right, it’s because that means they seem to function entirely without propaganda.
This is not only refreshing but entirely necessary in the face of a strategy of ethnic cleansing to clear out Gaza and concentrate the main Arab reservation in today’s West Bank. The least said about this one-state process the better as its taking place!
It is quite amazing that more people don’t realize that Jews are not the only members of the infidel class. They will be coming for you and me next, regardless of how many choruses of “Kumbaya” we sing.
Agitprop talking points. Stupid beyond words. And full of projection. This is precisely what Hamas and the PA want to do to Israel. Fortunately, they don’t have the means.
CW
Chris Whybrow
4 months ago
Oh, I wonder if there is something the IDF might have done since the October 7th terrorist attack that might have made the western public less sympathetic to them? Hmm… What could it possibly be?
You’ve just neatly proved how the Hamas propaganda works…keep it up! You think Israel should have just sent thousands of soldiers to their death to defeat Hamas? Their first obligation is to their own citizens.
Hama’s most powerful media war weapon is the fifth column of receptive Western media amplifiers of their information stream.
Immigraton has consequences, David.
The Hamas propaganda is not that subtle. If you scratch below the surface, it boils down to we are muslims, and we are more numerous than jews.
Yes they are 100x more numerous, but for 75 years at least, quality has been winning over quantity.
So far, so good.But I am fearfull about the future.
Plus mosque networks and Friday sermons…
Al Aqsa has featured a series of music videos aimed at radicalising children. In one, a four-year-old girl is seen singing to her “mother”, identified as “mother Reem” (an apparent reference to Hamas’s first female suicide bomber Reem Riyashi). Later in the video, the woman blows herself up, killing four Israeli soldiers. After her mother carries out the attack, the little girl holds an explosive and sings to the camera: “I am following Mommy in her steps.”
We’ve reached peak postmodernism–Hamas is somehow both the greatest parody of terrorist groups ever, and one played horribly, horribly straight.
It sure puts the “religion of peace” in proper perspective.
Hamas cartoons equally as violent as Tom and Jerry
Maybe see the difference in the message? Or put the blunt down.
Activists in the West are already in a strange mental state; it’s not classic insanity, more an addiction that has them in its grip. They become social diodes, allowing the free passage of dogma which comforts them, but denying entry to ideas which would cure their addiction. Hamas have them as puppets.
Lurve the ‘social diodes’. What a brilliant analogy. Not sure that I agree with what you say.
To me, these things are much simpler and they boil down to old vs young. Reminds me of the US in about 1970 when the older people supported the war and the young didn’t. In Europe in 1968 all of the young people were marching around waving the little Red Book.
Young people will always take the opposite side to that of the establishment. Try telling an 18-year-old about ‘common sense’; the point being that common sense develops with age.
IMO if the establishment (newspapers and TV) ignored the trans movement it would just die a death. By constantly presenting the views of the old people, as on this site, we are just fanning the flames.
I don’t think you are reading the Arab world. They work differently to the west.
So we enter the “I’m right and you’re wrong.” argument. In 1968 there were riots in France when young people walked around with Mao’s Red Book, trying to bring down the government – and they almost did.
My point is not Arab vs Israeli. I am talking about the article, about the media struggle, about winning over young minds. From my experience, young minds reject the view of the establishment.
So, if our establishment favour one side the young people favour another. This has gone on for the whole of history but more striking now because of the internet.
In the 1960’s & 1970’s there was a clear Generational Gap that does not exist today.The values between the war generation and the baby boomers were very different.It began to change when the baby boomers became parents and their children adopted their parents entitlement altitudes.The War Generation regarded their children and grand children as selfish and spoilt.Todays young are embracing Anti-Israeli altitudes because the Western leftwing educational and cultural establishment is overwhelming Pro-Palestinian (note 3000 UK media figures signed the SteveCoogan Pro-Palestinian petition 2 days after oct 7 without any comdemnation of Hamas atrocities) and that liberal-left wing establishment have made it fashionable to be Anti-Israeli.
Cheering on the slaughter of Jewish people goes way beyond simple intergenerational conflict. We in the West are sleepwalking our way into World War III.
That’s if we don’t perish from cultural suicide first.
Suckers, more like.
This is an uncannily accurate description of Al-Jazeera reporting, down to the exact phrasing of their descriptions.
The main thing is that Israel is winning the actual war and seems intent on ignoring the weeping and wailing from western media outlets..
Long may they resist the emotional blackmail from the western media and Hamas apologists such as the Palestine Solidarity Campaign.
It’s not a war because Gaza doesn’t have an army. It’s slaughter funded by massive US military support. Israel has dropped munitions with greater destructive force than Hiroshima, it has killed more children than all wars worldwide since 2019. No wonder the majority of people worldwide and the overwhelming majority of countries support a ceasefire and side with Palestine
What is Hamas? You remember that group; it’s the one that perpetrated the October 7 atrocity. And Hamas retains hostages. Well, at least the ones who are still alive. It is an ongoing curiosity that much is asked of Israel while nothing is expected of the Arabs, and the latter seldom disappoints.
Oh, since 2019???? (bet something bad happened in 2018.) And to this idjit, it’s precisely because Hamas doesn’t field an army even though it has 30K fighters but knows it can’t even touch israel militarily thatit resorts to the barbarity and chickensh*t tactics that expose its own citizens to death by aerial bombing. Hamas leaders have been quoted as rationalizing why the tunnels and food are for their fighters and not for their own citizenry, saying it’s up to Israel and UN to protect civilians. They’ve been quoted as saying they will repeat oct. 7 again and again. All that is needed for the conflict to end is for Hamas to surrender and release the hostages. Your sort always leaves out that part. As for all the countries supporting “Palestine,” who cares? Many are dictatorships, and most are scared to death of their Muslim populations or minorities. Sensible people with a moral compass stand with Israel.
Palestinians need to be disabused of the notion that Israel will cease to exist.
The only way to do that is to punish them so severely that they give up.
In addition to indiscriminte & endless bombing, and starvation, the IDF is wantonly using white phosphorous on a defenceless population … is that not punishment enough?
You don’t even have to read this agitprop to know what it says. blah blah indiscriminate (it isn’t) blah blah endless (want it to end? release hostages and surrender) blah blah white phosphorous (wrong war, your sort always trots that one out). And no, it’s not. Not until they’re gone.
Your’e a total as*hole Harry, grow up or join the Hitl*r youth!
Gaza will lack an army of terrorists soon enough.
Thank you for this report. I agree that Hamas media should not be censored, but distributed freely with subtitling. This would be far more convincing. I have seen a couple of sequences of interviews and did not need any further comment on their intentions. But I did not know that the indoctrination of their own people went that far on such a huge scale.
Perhaps people will begin questioning the veracity of the “religion of peace”.
Is there a single place that has been made better by the introduction of Islam? None in the West and it’s hard to see how the predominantly Muslim areas have benefited but they’re not my concern. To the article, the Hamas media operation has received a lot of help from Western press people, who are eager to push the oppressor/oppressed narrative.
In some circles, you wonder if October 7 ever happened. We can debate if the Israeli counter has been over the top, and it might be worth considering what happens if a cease fire is declared. This began during a cease fire. Has Hamas experienced a come-to-Allah moment in which it has decided to love fellow Muslims more than it hates the Jews? I don’t see much pondering of that, just incessant calls for this to stop as if that alone is a solution.
It seems beyond doubt that if every single Palestinian were struck from the face of the Earth by a vengeful God tomorrow, the world would be a notably better place.
I despair that this despicable comment has two likes. Unherd’s readership are consumed with a righteous hatred. Can you not see that you are the other side of the violent ideology you are complaining about?
Sadly, the only thing these violent Islamists understand IS violence and a show of extreme force.They are resolute in their aims and are remorseless in their goal of cleaning the earth of infidels. Starting first with the Jews of course. This hatred knows no bounds. I would be much, much more despairing of knowing that this worldview resides in the minds of millions of Muslims.
And in many many more millions it doesn’t. Your bigoted and racist views know no bounds.
How us pointing out the sad truth racist? I’m sure the millions of Muslims who see their religion hijacked by these maniacs feel exactly the same way. Such unintelligent analysis, as usual, by someone who thinks they know the meaning of racism. Progressives have made the word utterly meaningless.
wow you are so bigotted, glad you are an expat!
Hand-wringing par excellence. The Lord of the Wrings.
100% correct. This person is no better morally than the savages who committed the atrocities on October 7th.
“If Israel is overwhelmingly dominant on the ground, it is hopefully outmatched by Hamas and its supporters online.”
I found myself somewhat perplexed by the use of the word ‘hopefully’ here. Hopefully this is the older usage, signifying what Hamas supporters hope rather than what the author does.
No. Don’t reassure yourself. The author simply let it slip, revealing his secret hopes. Happens
I think he meant “hopelessly outmatched,” which is true, unfortunately. However, they aren’t outmatched where it counts. In the real world.
Wrong. It is the flabby, decadent, childless West that is losing the propaganda war.
The only reason this “crude” propaganda works is because the audience that buys into it is also crude. As for the lefties who buy it, they’re ideologically blinded by Israel/Western hate, so they’ll buy anything along those lines.
If I have to choose between losing the propaganda war and the real one, I’ll choose the former every time.
“The movie encouraged “mosque youth” to act as informants for Hamas-controlled intelligence organisations”
Unbelievably the term ‘terrorist’ seems to have been glamorised . I suggest that those who seek to indoctrinate youth so as to recruit them to their vile causes are called out for what they are: fascists.
If Farfour the Mouse is beaten to death by Isreali intelligence in a cartoon this is because artimitates life. In real life this is the reality as today’s beating by IDF, and hospitalisation, of a Turkish journalist testifies. Also reflect on the death of 34 journalists and 145 UN observers. It’s a bit rich complaining about Hamas manipulation of media when Isreal, in true fascist style, in fact the first rule of fascism, to control the narrative and control the media. Hence no foreign independent reports from Gaza, unlike for example, Ukraine, Syria, Iraq. Another completely one sided column from Unherd. Can’t wait to unsubscribe when contract allows. By the way Hamas, like IDF and Isreali govt, are despicable, blood thirsty, hate filled human beings.
This article is hilarious
If only Israel had some help from the media LOL
What are you insinuating?
You know – media, Jewish ownership of media. Some things never go out of style.
No you would be hilariously funny if your views weren’t so tragic and stupid.
Israel’s right-wing government is now an anti-propagand machine and if that doesn’t sound right, it’s because that means they seem to function entirely without propaganda.
This is not only refreshing but entirely necessary in the face of a strategy of ethnic cleansing to clear out Gaza and concentrate the main Arab reservation in today’s West Bank. The least said about this one-state process the better as its taking place!
Huh? Had to wade through the word salad because it knocked me back on my heels.
It is quite amazing that more people don’t realize that Jews are not the only members of the infidel class. They will be coming for you and me next, regardless of how many choruses of “Kumbaya” we sing.
Radical Islamists want to chop our heads off. Moderate Islamists want radical Islamists to chop our heads off.
Long may they continue to resist the emotional blackmail coming from the western media.
Agitprop talking points. Stupid beyond words. And full of projection. This is precisely what Hamas and the PA want to do to Israel. Fortunately, they don’t have the means.
Oh, I wonder if there is something the IDF might have done since the October 7th terrorist attack that might have made the western public less sympathetic to them? Hmm… What could it possibly be?
You’ve just neatly proved how the Hamas propaganda works…keep it up! You think Israel should have just sent thousands of soldiers to their death to defeat Hamas? Their first obligation is to their own citizens.
Fighting back.