I don’t know what the solution is, but talk of a ceasefire is wishful thinking by some and disingenuous rhetoric by others. There was a ceasefire in place during the Oct. 7 massacre. A spokesman for Hamas was on TV this week saying they intend to wipe Israel off the map. Hamas is telling the world it won’t respect a ceasefire, so maybe we should take them at their word.
Still, so many politicians call for ceasefire.
Lenin useful idiots.
As I tried to point out in reply to another article, importing Muslims into Europe is suboptimal strategy.
As recent demonstrations by Muslims and their lefty fellowtravellers in support of Hamas and murder of Jews show, we might end up in Israel scenario only few decades from now.
”But this is a conflict driven by extremes on both sides,..”
it is a little known fact that Israeli extremists sneaked into Gaza to rape, murder and burn; before turning on the adult Gazans who were bound and mutilated then dragged into Israel and displayed for the gratification of the mobs.
Last edited 6 months ago by John Williams
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Samuel Ross
6 months ago
There is a solution. Crush Hamas so that it never rises again to threaten the world’s peace. Then we will have a ceasefire, when the last Hamas fighter is cold and dead.
Unfortunately that appears to be true. They think nothing of murder.
TD
Tyler Durden
6 months ago
Brave people and I hope they prevail in their somewhat simplistic fashion. Noble witout doubt, as lions of Zion go in the ground, yet no closer today to leading us to a solution to political Islam.
The answer to me seems clear: we must treat Iran as an even greater problem than Russia and China, isolating this nasty regime politically and economically, working with our regional allies to push towards regime change and set those poor people free over there.
Unfortunately that’s the policy that’s been enacted by the West for a decade now – and it simply hasn’t worked. The US has been ‘isolating’ Iran economically with sanctions & as is always the case, they only punished the general population. The ruline elites are always the ones who can get around them & otherwise they just promote the criminally inclined. The military interventions have involved using proxies in Syria & elsewhere & has seen US & UK actively supporting Al-Nuzra and other atrocious jihadis in attempts to weaken Iranian influence (Israel has been treating and arming ISIS in this process FFS) – and for much of the Syrian Civl (Dirty) War Hamas were on the anti- Iran side.
Trump did that but Biden reneged on it and recently gave them billions. The west seem very weak just now and more concerned with pronouns than defending nations from this madness.
Iran was producing 400,000 bpd of oil when Biden entered office. It is now 3.5 million bpd.
RL
UnHerd Reader
6 months ago
“Believe me, if there was a solution, we would have found it already.” Truer words were never spoken. Hamas is a band of zealots lead by Al Sharpton-ish con men who live in luxury, much like Arafat before them. How do you convince a people who have been brainwashed their entire lives to hate everyone besides Muslims to live with them in peace? Especially when they believe that “martyring” themselves while killing their “enemies” has eternal benefits? These are not rational people and cannot be dealt with rationally.
AT
Alan Thorpe
6 months ago
The problem surely goes back to 1948. Britain failed to get an agreement when it controlled Palestine. The UN proposal was not accepted by both side and was not legally enforceable. The Zionists created Israel through a was which they won.
Israel was declared a country before the 48 war and then was attacked on all sides. Before Britain got involved the whole area was under the Ottoman Empire which Britain defeated creating the opportunity for all these new Arab nations which were then developed when oil was found.
AK
A D Kent
6 months ago
Really – who does the headlines around here? The places are mostly deserted, but still ‘defiant’?
DD
dave dobbin
6 months ago
I appreciate the reporter being in the thick of it and sharing what he sees. Rather brave.
Overall though, am disappointed with UnHerds one sided reporting on this situation.
Where is the insight into the natural gas fields in Palestinian waters that Israel control, and will probably supply UK, US, Western Europe.
No comment on Biden having wrong data on babies killed.
Seems quite unlike Unherd to be follow Biden, Sunak and mainstream media. Give us both sides please.
It is a difficult thing to do as there is so much deception going on. Israel discovered the oil and were letting Lebanon have a piece near their country but most likely Hesbollah will take this for Iran. Israel is building a pipeline to Egypt and are hoping that some will come to the west from there but the madness around them will try to bring Israel and their oil down.
Yet yesterday Unherd were censoring pro Israeli posts.
DL
David Lindsay
6 months ago
Armistice Day is the perfect day to march for a ceasefire. And there are marches on Downing Street most Saturdays, so there is probably one the day before every Remembrance Sunday. The Cenotaph is about 100 yards away, so only a very small march could avoid it.
In any case, 12,000 Palestinians fought for Britain in the Second World War. By fighting against us, then the future founders of Israel, and specifically of Likud, were actively on the other side. If you fight against one side in a World War, then you are fighting on the other one. Who told the Stern Gang that it owned the Cenotaph? Britain First, apparently. In joining the three per cent of the population that is strongly opposed to a ceasefire, then such is the company that Keir Starmer has chosen to keep. Not that anyone else would want him.
It is not our business to be calling for a ceasefire. Israel are fighting for their lives and country. There was already a ceasefire before Hamas attacked again. They broke it.
For all practical purposes, at least. That simple fact was once universally known in Britain.
FF
Frank Freeman
6 months ago
The longer the organised murder in Gaza continues, the more the world will be disgusted by the actions of Israel, and the people in the west are already becoming disgusted at their own governments for supplying the weapons. If Israel exterminates the population of Gaza, which it is trying to do, it will be a very Pyrrhic victory indeed. Western Governments are giving Israel enough rope to hang itself, but will hang themselves in the process.
Hamas has agency. It chooses not to build bomb shelters for its citizens. It chooses to use citizens as human shields. It chose to break a ceasefire Oct. 7. Ignoring all, what is the proper response then from Israel?
To claim that Israel is trying to exterminate the population of Gaza is just a straight-out hyperbolic untruth. It had no thought of enacting a war against Gaza until 7/10. Subsequent to those atrocities, why would Israel encourage civilians to leave for weeks before it sent troops into Gaza? Why would it negotiate for aid to enter via Egypt and for sick civilians to escape? Do you think Israel would prevent refugees from entering Egypt if Egypt would agree to it? If you are seeking to persuade anyone to your pov, perhaps lying isn’t the best means.
I don’t know what the solution is, but talk of a ceasefire is wishful thinking by some and disingenuous rhetoric by others. There was a ceasefire in place during the Oct. 7 massacre. A spokesman for Hamas was on TV this week saying they intend to wipe Israel off the map. Hamas is telling the world it won’t respect a ceasefire, so maybe we should take them at their word.
Still, so many politicians call for ceasefire.
Lenin useful idiots.
As I tried to point out in reply to another article, importing Muslims into Europe is suboptimal strategy.
As recent demonstrations by Muslims and their lefty fellowtravellers in support of Hamas and murder of Jews show, we might end up in Israel scenario only few decades from now.
It seems to be a hate thing no matter what. All you can do is protect yourself from it.
The article writer slips this in,
”But this is a conflict driven by extremes on both sides,..”
it is a little known fact that Israeli extremists sneaked into Gaza to rape, murder and burn; before turning on the adult Gazans who were bound and mutilated then dragged into Israel and displayed for the gratification of the mobs.
There is a solution. Crush Hamas so that it never rises again to threaten the world’s peace. Then we will have a ceasefire, when the last Hamas fighter is cold and dead.
Unfortunately that appears to be true. They think nothing of murder.
Brave people and I hope they prevail in their somewhat simplistic fashion. Noble witout doubt, as lions of Zion go in the ground, yet no closer today to leading us to a solution to political Islam.
The answer to me seems clear: we must treat Iran as an even greater problem than Russia and China, isolating this nasty regime politically and economically, working with our regional allies to push towards regime change and set those poor people free over there.
Unfortunately that’s the policy that’s been enacted by the West for a decade now – and it simply hasn’t worked. The US has been ‘isolating’ Iran economically with sanctions & as is always the case, they only punished the general population. The ruline elites are always the ones who can get around them & otherwise they just promote the criminally inclined. The military interventions have involved using proxies in Syria & elsewhere & has seen US & UK actively supporting Al-Nuzra and other atrocious jihadis in attempts to weaken Iranian influence (Israel has been treating and arming ISIS in this process FFS) – and for much of the Syrian Civl (Dirty) War Hamas were on the anti- Iran side.
Trump did that but Biden reneged on it and recently gave them billions. The west seem very weak just now and more concerned with pronouns than defending nations from this madness.
Iran was producing 400,000 bpd of oil when Biden entered office. It is now 3.5 million bpd.
“Believe me, if there was a solution, we would have found it already.” Truer words were never spoken. Hamas is a band of zealots lead by Al Sharpton-ish con men who live in luxury, much like Arafat before them. How do you convince a people who have been brainwashed their entire lives to hate everyone besides Muslims to live with them in peace? Especially when they believe that “martyring” themselves while killing their “enemies” has eternal benefits? These are not rational people and cannot be dealt with rationally.
The problem surely goes back to 1948. Britain failed to get an agreement when it controlled Palestine. The UN proposal was not accepted by both side and was not legally enforceable. The Zionists created Israel through a was which they won.
Israel was declared a country before the 48 war and then was attacked on all sides. Before Britain got involved the whole area was under the Ottoman Empire which Britain defeated creating the opportunity for all these new Arab nations which were then developed when oil was found.
Really – who does the headlines around here? The places are mostly deserted, but still ‘defiant’?
I appreciate the reporter being in the thick of it and sharing what he sees. Rather brave.
Overall though, am disappointed with UnHerds one sided reporting on this situation.
Where is the insight into the natural gas fields in Palestinian waters that Israel control, and will probably supply UK, US, Western Europe.
No comment on Biden having wrong data on babies killed.
Seems quite unlike Unherd to be follow Biden, Sunak and mainstream media. Give us both sides please.
It is a difficult thing to do as there is so much deception going on. Israel discovered the oil and were letting Lebanon have a piece near their country but most likely Hesbollah will take this for Iran. Israel is building a pipeline to Egypt and are hoping that some will come to the west from there but the madness around them will try to bring Israel and their oil down.
Yet yesterday Unherd were censoring pro Israeli posts.
Armistice Day is the perfect day to march for a ceasefire. And there are marches on Downing Street most Saturdays, so there is probably one the day before every Remembrance Sunday. The Cenotaph is about 100 yards away, so only a very small march could avoid it.
In any case, 12,000 Palestinians fought for Britain in the Second World War. By fighting against us, then the future founders of Israel, and specifically of Likud, were actively on the other side. If you fight against one side in a World War, then you are fighting on the other one. Who told the Stern Gang that it owned the Cenotaph? Britain First, apparently. In joining the three per cent of the population that is strongly opposed to a ceasefire, then such is the company that Keir Starmer has chosen to keep. Not that anyone else would want him.
It is not our business to be calling for a ceasefire. Israel are fighting for their lives and country. There was already a ceasefire before Hamas attacked again. They broke it.
Seriously, you are suggesting that the Likud, comprised of Jews, were allied with Germany in WWII?
For all practical purposes, at least. That simple fact was once universally known in Britain.
The longer the organised murder in Gaza continues, the more the world will be disgusted by the actions of Israel, and the people in the west are already becoming disgusted at their own governments for supplying the weapons. If Israel exterminates the population of Gaza, which it is trying to do, it will be a very Pyrrhic victory indeed. Western Governments are giving Israel enough rope to hang itself, but will hang themselves in the process.
Hamas has agency. It chooses not to build bomb shelters for its citizens. It chooses to use citizens as human shields. It chose to break a ceasefire Oct. 7. Ignoring all, what is the proper response then from Israel?
To claim that Israel is trying to exterminate the population of Gaza is just a straight-out hyperbolic untruth. It had no thought of enacting a war against Gaza until 7/10. Subsequent to those atrocities, why would Israel encourage civilians to leave for weeks before it sent troops into Gaza? Why would it negotiate for aid to enter via Egypt and for sick civilians to escape? Do you think Israel would prevent refugees from entering Egypt if Egypt would agree to it? If you are seeking to persuade anyone to your pov, perhaps lying isn’t the best means.
Is that an old photo of ‘Gorgeous George’?