For years now, American conservatives have been engulfed by an intellectual civil war, with various shades of the “New Right” fighting to overthrow “Conservatism Inc.”. What is less well-understood, however, are the changes taking place on the centre-left: the broad liberal plain where much of the American establishment sits (as distinct from the self-identified Left proper, who have lost much of their Bernie-era energies and are now sliding back into political obscurity).
Since the liberal centre is the establishment, the institutions and personnel who comprise it do not tend to think of themselves as belonging to any particular school of thought: their worldview usually forms the official common sense. There is no “liberal movement” like there is a conservative one, and the kind of sectarian squabbling over dogmas and heresies that is so common on the Right is rarer on the centre-left.
The paradox is that the establishment often has less of a functional gatekeeping capacity and is vulnerable to sudden ideological capture from below: this is how the social justice movements of the 2010s became so influential. Despite Barack Obama’s warnings against identity politics and Joe Biden’s rejection of “Defund the Police”, radical ideas remain entrenched in institutions. The hegemony of DEI in corporate and academic settings, the outsize importance of gender ideologies in the liberal idiom, and the sway of dysfunctional pseudo-humanitarian responses to crime and immigration in big cities illustrate just how incomplete the liberal pushback against runaway cultural progressivism has been.
Yet the liberal establishment is not entirely hopeless. When it comes to economics and governance, it has an enviable penchant for pragmatism and reinvention. While pundits foresaw a return to Third Way Clintonism under Joe Biden, the octogenarian president instead favoured an open repudiation of the Washington Consensus and a sweeping programme of re-industrialisation — which, though imperfect, remains more advanced than what Republicans are offering by way of governance: an endless return to Reaganomics.
Liberalism’s challenge is in staying on this economic course while tamping down on the recurrent cultural excesses of its activist base. Despite what the culture warriors may say, the new American centre is economically to the Left of Reagan-Clinton globalism but culturally “live-and-let-live”: voters care about bringing jobs and factories back but have little time for hardliners on both ends of the culture war.
There are a number of Democratic candidates and elected officials who — whether or not they conceive of themselves as inheritors of the liberal torch — represent new and heterodox approaches to centre-left politics. Taken together, they may hold the secret to building a future liberal majority for a post-globalised, post-culture war America.
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One of the most promising Democratic candidates for high office is Lucas Kunce of Missouri, who is running a populist campaign for US Senator in that reliably red state. Kunce’s opponent is Josh Hawley, an incumbent who was considered future president material until a video of him raising his fist in solidarity with January 6 rioters put him beyond the pale of respectability for many. Kunce has capitalised mightily on Hawley’s flaws, contrasting his working-class roots against Hawley’s affluent background, as well as his 13-year service in the Marines against Hawley’s lack of a military record.
With even greater success, Kunce has mocked a core part of Hawley’s public persona: his preoccupation with masculinity. Hawley wrote a book about masculinity, yet, as Kunce is fond of reminding Missourians, security footage exists of the Senator running away from the very mob he incited on January 6, highlighting the hollow, performative nature of Hawley’s (and the cultural Right’s) promotion of masculine identity. Kunce also has taken issue with the moralising tone of Hawley’s polemics, in which he decries men for playing video games among other innocuous hobbies. But as Kunce has pointed out, video games were one form of R&R that soldiers like himself used to take up in between missions in Iraq, something his opponent wouldn’t know about.
This approach to masculinity is potentially fertile ground for Democrats, who tend to sidestep the issue. It offers a middle way between the scarcely concealed misandrist impulses of progressive gender ideology, with its fixation with “toxic masculinity”, and the crude Neanderthal caricature of masculinity that’s gained currency in Right-wing circles, with its fetishisation of aesthetics and body-building over moral substance. Instead, Kunce models a wholesome masculinity that fuses a quiet self-confidence with an earnest boy scout’s sense of social responsibility. This combination may be just what the Democrats need to break through in red areas while also gaining ground with the one political species they were never able to fit into their rainbow coalition: the straight, white, working-class male.
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In many ways, Kunce is carrying on from where candidates such as John Fetterman and Tim Ryan left off. Their unconventional campaign styles similarly elided the usual identitarian divisions. Like Kunce, the ideal male Democrat will be just as comfortable marching in the Pride parade of a big city as he will be hanging out with plaid-clad farmers in the countryside.
Just as American liberalism will have to recognise the need for positive masculinity in order to compete with the Right on its own terrain, so too will it have to accept the case for positive nationalism. That may be a difficult adjustment for some on the centre-left who were raised to believe in the ideals of a borderless globe and a post-national future. But two Democrats are making a different case: Representative Ro Khanna and Senator Chris Murphy are each seeking to provide a philosophical basis for the party’s shift away from globalisation and toward a new pro-development outlook that affirms the centrality of the American nation-state in a competitive and often hostile global environment.
Khanna was a strong Bernie Sanders supporter but never identified as a socialist — and how could he, as the House member representing Silicon Valley? Instead, Khanna calls his philosophy “economic patriotism” and grounds it in the tradition of Hamilton and FDR: it is about reversing “decades of misguided free trade and financialisation”, and restoring America’s “role as a workshop of the world”. Khanna believes that Washington policymakers erred when they “just stopped caring about production” and has worked across the aisle with Senator Marco Rubio to propose an economic development council to coordinate industrial and labour policy. Where Khanna parts ways with his Right-populist colleagues, however, is in his desire to attach progressive priorities, such as childcare or free public tuition, to the re-industrialisation agenda. This is an approach that liberal columnist Ezra Klein has criticised as “everything-bagel liberalism” that will slow down re-industrialisation. In any case, debating the best way to execute industrial policy is far better than not caring about the issue at all, which has been the default position of the last generation of Democrats and Republicans.
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Unlike Khanna, Chris Murphy hasn’t been shy about calling his stance “economic nationalism”. In a notable Atlantic essay entitled “The Wreckage of Neoliberalism”, the Connecticut Senator last year presented a somewhat more thoughtful rendition of the same basic position that Khanna holds. Going beyond the economic arguments, Murphy touched on the deeper cultural and human-level consequences of the globalised order of the last 40 years, with its brutal displacement of family, community, and all other rooted social identities at the hands of unfettered markets and technology. (On this note, he sounds closer to Republican fellow Senator, J.D. Vance.)
Murphy has since released a “National Strategy for Social Connection” to restitch the bonds of American society amid an epidemic of loneliness and atomisation, and has even sought to extend his message to those normally outside the Democratic coalition. In a remarkable tweet that no other national Democrat would likely have sent, Murphy wondered aloud whether the time had come for his party to start courting social conservatives and to accept “intra-movement friction on culture issues as a consequence”. He put up a poll and predictably the responses were mostly negative-to-indignant, with 77% against the idea. But Murphy was asking the right question — and indeed, social conservatives were once part of the Democratic coalition before abortion became the central cleavage in US politics.
Elsewhere, if there is one setting where Democrats need to step up, it is not so much in the halls of Congress as in their own political heartlands. That is America’s big cities, which have seen multiple crises of governance in everything from crime to homelessness to immigration and basic liveability. And there has been no one more proactive in addressing these issues than New York City’s mayor, Eric Adams.
Thanks to his ideological positions, Adams has already gained a strong national platform. A working-class African-American ex-cop, he ran on an anti-crime agenda, promising to crack down on offences large and small. Adams’s initiatives on the homelessness issue — such as the involuntary commitment of mentally ill vagrants — have put him at odds with progressive activists, while his strident rhetoric on the need to stop the influx of foreign migrants has led the New York Post to describe him as an “immigration restrictionist”. Democrats in other parts of the country can learn a simple lesson from this: namely that citizens look to their government to keep the peace and civil order on their streets and on their borders, without which progress is not possible.
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To be clear, none of the Democrats examined here entirely encapsulates the current state of American liberalism. Their heterodox approaches to issues are still far from the new common sense. But between Kunce, Khanna, Murphy, and Adams, there is enough material to remake the Democratic Party into a more formidable and competitive political force, one that can deliver on economic reform while suppressing the worst instincts of cultural progressivism and stealing the populist-nationalist thunder of Maga-ism.
And Democrats may soon discover that a campaign of internal “de-wokeification” (to borrow Senator Vance’s expression) is their best bet against the GOP, since the Right has no positive unifying agenda beyond anti-wokeness. Removing “woke” could actually shatter the false unity that currently holds Republicans together and trigger a larger political civil war between the genuine economic populists in the party and the holdover Reaganite leadership. Meanwhile the centre-left can claim the new political centre and build an enduring liberal majority. Should it ever happen, Democrats can look forward to repeating in the Twenty-Thirties what they achieved in the Nineteen-Thirties, and liberalism’s happy days will be here again.
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SubscribeI think that the center left faces three critical problems in the US.
First, it has proven powerless against the hard, progressive left, a progressive left that is doing all it can to alienate a large swath of the country. Everything from DEI, to identity politics to gender to an outright distaste for its own country and people. Then, toss in climate alarmism and the insane push to completely revamp the energy sector and the economy in a ridiculous and unnecessary way while destroying jobs and raising the cost of living for people who just cannot afford it.
Second, they are committed to neoliberal economics. The center left is represented by the democrat party and that party has been captured by Silicon Valley and Wall Street who in turn are committed to engaging in labor arbitrage across the globe to keep labor costs down. When not doing that they want to import migrant labor to compete at the low end of the pay scale and high end labor on H1Bs to help at the high end. They are committed to trade deals that hand off sovereign power to international committees appointed by leaders of major corporations.
Third, they are stuck on the minority side of the cultural divide. They represent the very elites that the rest of the nation is turning against. To these people, blatant patriotism is embarrassing, going to church is backwards, choosing to go into a trade instead of going to a prestige university is not just bad judgement but makes you socially inept.
The center left democrats today look a lot like the northeast republicans of my youth.
Very well said, especially that last sentence!
“Everything from DEI”
Only hardcore racists believe that encouraging diversity and inclusion is alienating larges swathes of anyone except far right fanatics.
But I guess if the cap fits….
Do you think muti should be allowed?
Well said. At the moment, these three factors limit the party’s appeal beyond their facile appeals to race/gender/etc. They really have no agenda other than more of the same, and we can see how that hasn’t worked. They are dragged through the mud by their own fringe idiots as badly as the other side, and their fringe idiots are actually in office, whereas most of the fringe voices on the right are on talk radio or similarly out in the wilderness. They can’t really be populist because the Republican party is basically lost to the establishment at this juncture, which means the elites will hold the one party they still control the more tightly. Lastly, they all come off as insufferable know-it-all types who think they’re better than everybody. It’s not a winning formula. If they keep losing ground among minorities, they’ll find they have very little support left anywhere. These politicians are much more likely to end up disillusioned and turning independent or switching parties as when they actually get elected as they are to actually change the Democratic party, and that’s assuming they aren’t just feigning populism to get elected.
“a progressive left that is doing all it can to alienate a large swath of the country” – Except that a very large chunk of the country is apparently not alienated – or at least, not enough to vote for another alternative.
I fear we have reached the stage of democracy that Thucydides wrote of: “the savage and pitiless excesses into which men who had begun the struggle, not in a class but in a party spirit, were hurried by their ungovernable passions”. I’ve taken to calling it tribal politics; people are utterly wedded to their tribe, to death and beyond.
The USA is the wealthiest and safest nation in the history of civilisation so what are the causes of these problems ?The Greeks said that poverty was their great instructor in hardihood and self- reliance. Also The Greeks always recognised their debt to other civilisations such as Minoans, Egyptians and Phoenicians.
Are the problems for the USA that material wealth has sapped their pioneer spirit of hardihood and self- reliance and they not grateful to other nations? Joe Calzaghe the boxer said the greatest threat to a boxing champion was five star hotel.
The Left is wedded to identity politics and victimhood, and much of the media is also implicated. Try writing an article in the mainstream media to the effect that biological sex is real and there are only 2 of them. You’d be faced with hatred and threats of violence. How you strip this out of the centre-Left is anyone’s guess.
All you need to know is Josh Hawley is one of the few Republicans in the Senate who frequently proposes and pushes real populist legislation while Chris Murphy is one of the most corporate owned Democrats in the whole damn Senate. Cuenco is blowing smoke. The funny thing is, there are actually a few Democrats who are really good on populist economic issues and the FTC under Lina Kahn has been solidly enforcing antitrust law. The fact that he names Khanna, Murphy, and Adams (as well as a guy not even elected) instead tells you everything about what a joke Mike is.
Josh Hawley is a windbag and a bully, and like all bullies is actually a coward. The footage of him running away from the crowd he was raising a fist to an hour earlier will be his only legacy.
Well we all know the only thing worse when fighting for the little guy than a country club conservative or a limousine liberal is a Champagne Socialist.
Ignore him. He is a crank. Probably the most down voted person on this site.
With its Maoist approach to public schooling, race and child protection, the identitarian Left has taken centre-stage in the US because of the opportunity presented to the Left by the 2008 Crash and their opportunity to attack Clinton-era neoliberalism and its continuation under Obama. This has now completely taken hold of Democrat Party political culture.
Ergo I can’t see a revived ‘centrist’ civic liberalism emerging from the centre-left or any sphere of Democrat politics. It would have to come from a post-populist push in the Republican Party appealing, for instance, to Gen X Democrat voters and older Millennials who have switched from Democrat to Independent.
But that would require them to separate themselves sensibly from the Democrat mainstream, particularly in foreign policy. Trump actually made a good start there.
“Maoist approach to public schooling, race and child protection”
What kind of a fantasy do you live in?
If you think they’re confused, they must be right.
“since the Right has no positive unifying agenda beyond anti-wokeness. ”
With our house burning down, putting out the flames should be enough common ground for now.
But Cuenco is wrong. The right has a more unifying agenda of seeking smaller governments – one that is frequently betrayed by those reaching office while claiming to be conservative. The belief that the government should stop doing more for us is a positive unifying agenda for the right – it’s just not necessarily a political winner
If the wholly incompetent and barely verbal Eric Adams is an example of what the US can look forward to as leadership, then we won’t need that SMOD: the Democrats will complete their destruction of this nation without any extraterrestrial help.
Cuenco and Patrikarakos – consistently the two worst writers on UnHerd.
Darn. I was hoping it would be an article about how Americans who actually deserve the name “liberals” could win, rather than how the misnamed “liberals,” who constitute the normative Left in America and were really, really happy to wield the union of state and corporate power to censor their opponents until Elon Musk bought Twitter, have given us the plague of diversity, equity and inclusion, and control the White House, the Senate, the vast bulk of media, the universities, most of the non-profit sector (the Koch Brothers do still have some genuinely liberal foundations they run), and the governments of most major cities, could win.
An Elon Musk cultist. No doubt a Trump worshipper too.
Can be safely ignored.
I think the author is drastically underrating the extent to which international finance and the globalist establishment controls the Democratic party. They will not allow economic populism to seriously take hold. What they will do is try to sound like economic populists to get votes while governing like the globalists they are, just like much of the other side. Biden’s economic nationalism was mostly talk. His most notable achievement on the economic front was the CHIPS act, which is as much a national defense anti-China bill as it is an economic nationalism bill. It’s less about reshoring or helping Americans as it is about maintaining military superiority and punishing the Chinese for their bad behavior over the last two decades. These are things that needed to happen, but don’t get confused. These people still want to ship jobs to the lowest cost country possible, just not one who might get too powerful and upset the globalist apple cart. That’s the reason it passed with bipartisan support. The one thing everybody agrees on is the seriousness of the China threat. The author can keep on hoping the leopard will change his spots, but that’s all it is, hope, and as we saw in the Obama administration, hope might get you elected, but it doesn’t get anything else.
“Woke” is a term of abuse. It is the word we use when we disapprove of a policy or attitude that, in our view, has gone too far. The supporters of any given proposal would almost never describe it as “woke”. They’d call it “progressive” or “radical” or simply “decent”.
In this, “woke” resembles the previous term for the same concept – “political correctness” or, to give it its full expression “political correctness gone mad”. By the time the expression was widely understood, it was almost never self-applied.
Two important things follow from this – first, that arguing against “wokeness” is going into battle with a paper tiger. It sounds bellicose but, since no-one will identify as woke, no-one presents themselves as an antagonist and you are deprived of actual victories. It should be said that this is absolutely fine if your business model is simply fluffing up resentment (e.g. Daily Mail or Lawrence Fox). You can go around screaming about wokeness and pretending everyone is too frightened to debate you. (See also, that bloke down the pub who is desperate to tell you what he’d do to paedos…)
But, if you are a politician trying to present a concrete idea of what you stand for, it is both cowardly and incoherent. Challenging wokeness is easy to do but achieves nothing because it engages no-one.
By contrast, figuring out how to address, for example, the real problems of policing in America without simply “defunding” them would be very hard indeed but extrordinarily fruitful. Of course a politician who was willing to have that conversation would probably find that quite a lot of the “Defund” crowd were open to a nuanced conversation about mental health and social services, about schools and restorative justice among many other things – defunding the police has a deep intellectual hinterland that doesn’t fit on a t-shirt. But the process of hammering out a fruitful compromise doesn’t start by damning “wokeness” or misrepresenting imaginary antagonists.
I’m going to write this respectfully because you seem to be a rational thinker that simply hasn’t educated yourself on what the Far-Left actually is. What People on the so-called “Center-Left” dont seem to realize is that Critical Social Justice often described as Cultural Progressivism or “Wokeness” has a massive body of written work. The usefulness of that work relies on people like yourself ignoring it and instead attacking the “reactionaries” responding to it. It’s the reason Democrats can’t detach Progressive excess.
“Wokeness” is a gnostic principle about developing an “awakened consciousness.” To be “Woke” is to be hyper-aware of how injustice imbeds itself in “invisible systems” of liberal governance in order to oppress “marginalized groups.”
You used the term “Restorative justice.” Restorative Justice is a Critical Social Justice word. Wokeness is simply Critical Social Justice or an Applied Postmodernism that privileges Critical Theory as the only “metanarrative” or Theory that can actually describe how power functions while providing a “remedy” for past actions through reparative justice.
That’s alot of gobbledygook for Robinhood redistribution. Its saying we’re going to divide the population into Haves and Have Nots and then “restore” or “repair” the Have Nots by taking opportunity and capital from the Haves. It can also be described as “NeoMarxism” or “Western Marxism.” An ideology that’s Marxian but not Marxist. It tips Marx upside down through the Base/Superstructure analysis the way Marx tipped Hegel’s metaphysics with Dialectical Materialism. But this is very much a real ideology, not some fake Strawman invented by the “reactionary right.”
I would recommend that you read some of the literature from Intersectional Theory. There’s about 20-30 progressive prophets that recur in the genealogy of progressive literature dating back all the way to Rousseau.
He’s aware of what his fellow progressives want to do to society, but would prefer we didn’t notice and just shut up and let them create
hellheaven on earth. When you think of Rotherham know that this is the sort of person who did everything in his power to keep it going.I’ve checked in with all my fellow “progressives” and we would like to make the world better, and fairer. We’d like there to be less war, less exploitation, more fun, better music happier, healthier children and a flourishing natural environment among other things. We’d also like to see a commensurate drop in the incidence of all around c**k-knockery. Beyond that, we agree on very little.
We’re fully aware that this is an ambitious programme and that some well intended efforts might, in fact, end up making things worse. But we do our best to avoid that by thinking quite hard. Some of us are better at that than others.
For the life of me, I don’t know what you want to create on Earth. Do you think this is as good as it gets?
Yes, this is as good as it gets. Yes, your well intended efforts are, in fact, making things worse. The “perfect” is the enemy of the “good”. You aren’t God and you can’t make life fairer for people by imposing some equity that you have decided on.
That’s not what he’s saying.
Exactly.
You truly “don’t know” people who are different to you and your friends. It’s like autistic people who don’t realise they’re autistic and never bother trying to understand ‘neurotypical’ people.
“we do our best to avoid that by thinking quite hard.”
You don’t. You really, really don’t. Your worldview is shockingly narrow leading to absurd and sometimes horrific decisions (again, Rotherham). You pursue your aims because they bring you a pleasurable ego-boost. You can tell yourself you’re one of the “good” people. Negative outcomes are irrelevant. It makes you feel good, so it must be done.
Rubbish
Roger Scruton does a fair demolition job onleftist “thinkers” in one of his books, which I read recently.
I wonder how many of our modern problems can be traced back to Rousseau. He’s on the short list of candidates for the award of worst human being ever as measured by how much damage their life and their ideas have done to humanity in total.
I’ve felt for quite a while that Rousseau has a lot to answer for. I can’t figure out how to get rid of his influence at this point without melting down Western civilization, though. That does seem to be happening, though.
Restore the dauphin! Back to the ancien regime.
Quite right
It’s kind of you to respond respectfully but, respectfully, you seem to have misunderstood my point.
My point is that very few people self-identify as “woke”. Just as very few used to identify as “politically correct” in the late 90s.
You’re right as to the origins of the term as an awakened consciousness. (though I think calling it a gnostic principle elevates it too far). But, in common usage, it is simply a term of abuse.
As a result, even the proponents of the most bananas theories in the most recherche corners of academia don’t generally go on about their “woke” theory. “Woke” is always someone else.
I have lots of ideas I’m sure you think are nutty. I admire lots of writers I’m certain you think are nuttier still. I’m perfectly happy to defend my ideas against yours – to seek to persuade you. But we’re not going to have a useful discussion if you start by calling me woke and that I’m in thrall to an inverted marxism which itself an inverted Hegelianism. And I’d be lying if I even pretended to know what you’re talking about. (Am I a Hegelian metaphysicist turned right side up again? Or am I simply an idiot who doesn’t know enough about his own views to have a right to an opinion?)
Similarly, if I started off by calling you a crackpot reactionary, it probably wouldn’t help our debate (although you’d at least know what I’m talking about).
Like most people of most political persuasions, I’d like the world to be a lot less shitty than it is. And I’m less interested in characterising the beliefs of other people in ways that make no sense to those people than I am in exploring ways to make the world less shitty.
I never called you Woke. I specifically referred to you as rational. Postmodern ideology rejects enlightenment rationalism. Likewise, I never referred to you as stupid. What you’ve proven in your responses is that you’re an ideologue. You are committed to the project of Progressive Idealism.
The problem with Idealism is that it makes otherwise rational people gullible. If you believe in concepts like “The Arc of History bends toward justice” than you believe “Social Progress” is a natural evolution. But in order to believe that, someone has to define what Social Progress is and people that disagree with that definition have to be labeled as antagonists to Social Progress or “reactionaries.”
When I say Woke is Gnostic what I mean is that only certain enlightened people get to define it. Those people are called “Experts” and Experts are to be trusted. What I’m contending is that even though you’re not Woke, you just laundered a Woke concept termed “Restorative Justice.” You trusted the Experts and then advocated a policy that inevitably means Reparations and land transfers.
Now, if you’re familiar with History and I believe you are, can you tell me what Historical Movement promoted wealth and land transfers through an administered economy governed by Experts?
OH I know, I know this one, call on me teach!
Thank you, I’m perfectly aware that you didn’t call me woke (or stupid). But, the fact that you think that I think you did, is the issue that I thought you’d missed.
What I said was that using a term that no-one accepts as applicable to themselves is just an unhelpful strategy for engaging with the world. It’s like having a strategy of “stamping out the global influence of c*nts”. We all agree that the world would be better if we could stamp out c*nt ideology once and for all.
But simply saying that isn’t actually a very good way of stamping out c*nts or c*nt ideology because no-one will admit that they’re a c*nt.
On the other hand, if you define the c*nt behaviour you’re talking about, then people can’t help but see that you’re talking about them and they are much likelier to respond and we all make a bit more progress.
That was my original point – it’s about effectiveness rather than ethics – we should be skeptical of people raging about “woke” because raging about “woke” gets nothing done.
My more specific point for you is that you seem very keen to tell me what I think and believe and what all that really means. For example, woke is a gnostic concept that only a cadre of untrustworthy experts are fit to determine. Do these experts include you? Because I am specifically saying that, actually the word is so slippery that it is best avoided altogether.
And apparently, you know what restorative justice means and its intellectual underpinnings and how all that leads to reparations and land transfers but, maybe I don’t understand this. Except that you’re actually talking nonsense because what I mean when I talk about restorative justice is a system of mediation between criminals and victims of crime, whereby criminals have to make up for their crime to the satisfaction of the victims in an attempt to heal a tear in the social fabric. Which is by no means a full and entire solution to the injustices of current policing, but it is one line of experimental practice which may be fruitful in some cases.
I get your point but I don’t exactly see a concerted effort by “good faith” left leaning thinkers to temper the overuse of terms like fascist, racist, misogynist, homophobe, xenophobe, climate-denier, anti-vaxxer and instead apply nuance. So sure, if you’d like to acknowledge the left’s unwillingness to use discernment toward politically useful descriptors than I’d be more than happy to acknowledge overuse of “Woke” by the right.
Again, I would say there’s a stark difference between the two since Woke is a term literally adopted by Progressive advocates whereas most of the terms aimed at the Right are simply character insults but nonetheless there is overlap in the attempt to discredit.
I do not hold myself off as an “expert.” In fact, you don’t need to take my word for anything. I’m simply doing my best to use empiricism to draw conclusions. I’ve actually read the source material that I’m referencing. I understand that you’re using “Restorative Justice” in context of rehabilitating convicted criminals. I don’t dispute that in narrowly tailored circumstances it might be useful. My point is that it’s not a narrowly tailored concept. It is extremely broad and the literature is quite clear that Restorative Justice is not only a criminal rehabilitation concept but a broad social concept that can be applied at scale to “repair” past harms. Do a search with the key words Restorative justice and reparations and tell me if the two concepts are linked.
If this is t*t for tat then sure.
As a lefty sort of person, I am happy to concede that the mirror-image concepts that you invoke are just as stupid as “woke”. Did Hillary Clinton’s “basket of deplorables” comment achieve anything other than convincing a bunch of people that HRC wasn’t on their side? Can we agree that it cost her a tonne of votes?
Moaning about wokeness is the same in the opposite direction. It’s just not solving any problems. It is as divisive as reflexive accusations of racism are.
That isn’t to say that there is no Woke ideology – just as there are plenty of racist cockwombles – I am simply saying that politicians who complain about the forces of woke ranged against them look just as stupid to us as blue haired students decolonising the curriculum by purging dead white men form the reading list look to you. And it’s about as effective.
You’re technically correct in that woke has come to be used as a term of abuse. It’s a basic straw man term like technocrat or globalist whose meaning refers to a theoretical person with a theoretical set of views. It’s used as a political term by opponents to better define what, exactly, they oppose. It wasn’t always that, though. It was used by BLM movement members and other people on the left to define themselves as being aware or ‘woke’ to racism and other social ills. It was seized on more recently, and more successfully, by opponents of BLM, CRT, and other social justice movements as the pejorative you mention. Let me be perfectly frank. Most of the world does not give a crap about your, my, or anyone else’s feelings. They are too busy with real things like feeding their family or paying for college or getting a better job or whatever is happening in their lives. Pointing out that ‘woke’ is, in your own words, a ‘term of abuse’ matters not a lick to most of the commenters here. I myself am indifferent to language so long as it is accurate, and since ‘woke’ has a meaning that is commonly understood, I see no issue with it. It ultimately doesn’t matter that no individual person would identify as ‘woke’ or whatever connotation it has so long as it conveys an idea. When I see ‘woke’ or ‘wokery’, I understand that no individual describes themself that way, and I don’t really care. I know what the word means, and that’s enough. Nobody controls language or owns words, but trying to tell people such and such is a ‘term of abuse’ and shouldn’t be used will get you identified as ‘woke’ in conservative circles and they will consider the label accurate, regardless of your opinions or feelings on the matter. Moreover, you are basically putting a ‘kick me’ sign on your back for anyone, and there are a lot of us, who have no patience for being told by know-it-all types how to speak so as not to offend anybody. You mentioned the political correctness movement in the 90s, so you are aware of history. You understand then, that a previous attempt to regulate language by an educated few failed, largely because it proved unpopular in the general public and was successfully turned into a pejorative. Why then are you disturbed that the same thing has happened to the term ‘woke’? Again, language is not something that is owned or controlled by anybody. It is defined organically by usage, and has been basically as long as humanity has been speaking. It doesn’t matter whether it’s good, bad, or otherwise. It’s one of those things we can’t change. Many have tried to change aspects of human nature for the sake of making the world ‘less shitty’. All have failed, and some caused untold suffering in the attempt.
I think Woke is a perfectly fine word. We can name the mind virus a million different things but most fitting is the word its “enlightened” creators adopted. Progressive Humanism is a self-love ideology that uses social engineering experts to teach people to see themselves as “important” actors moving history forward and promoting the evolution of humans as a “species-being.”
Seems like an OK concept until you realize the people talking about it are not kind or empathetic. It’s a power grab plain and simple. Its people gaining power by acting like proxies for the downtrodden. Liberation Theology is a fusion of Catholicism and Marxism that dominates South American politics and I think its the best example of what Wokeness is at it’s base.
As I said to T Bone. I’m not attempting to police anyone’s speech.
I am saying that railing against the “woke” when the people you think are “woke” don’t necessarily accept the term themselves and therefore don’t engage with it, is a very ineffective way of changing people’s minds. And I am saying that we should therefore be skeptical of those who rail against “woke mind virus” not because woke is a naughty word but because the strategy is no more effective than complaining about c*nts.
That’s why I mentioned the man down the pub who’s desperate to tell you what he’d do to paedo if he got his hands on them. He’s making a lot of sound and fury but he’s not stopping child abuse – he’s just making the atmosphere in the pub a bit s**t and everyone wants him to pipe down.
Politicians railing against the woke brigade are the man in the pub with the bulging veins in their foreheads. And, in general, they can do one.
The object isn’t to persuade the people who actually are “woke” in the sense being used here. The object is to show all the undecided people of the world how looney some of these ideas actually are, and there are people that fully believe nonsense like CRT and would use it to shape government policy. The opposition is trying to draw attention to the fact by using a term ‘woke’ that originated on the left and turning it around on them, and they’re succeeding. They’re being demeaning and holding up a straw man on purpose. It’s an ancient, tried and true, rhetorical method. Liberals do the same thing when they accuse conservatives of being racists or xenophobes or fascists or whatever else. Few if any would self-identify as any of these but nobody cares. This is politics friend. Personally, I don’t care whether the President has an elephant or a donkey on their hat, but I’d like to avoid bad policy, and affirmative action, teaching gender fluidity in schools, reparations, and the other issues we’re talking about when we talk about woke, are very bad policy. They will make the world more shitty, not less. The fact is the way woke is used has struck a chord with a lot of people, hence how often we’re hearing about it. People are using woke as a derogatory on purpose because they strongly oppose certain policies. They want to take these issues off the table by making them politically toxic for both parties, and they’re largely succeeding. Don’t hate the player, hate the game.
If you want to use the term casually BTL, fine because you are not trying to persuade.
My original point was that we should distrust politicians (whose job is, fundamentally to persuade people) when they use the term.
The reverse is also true. We should distrust politicians who blame Brexit on the racism of the white working class. And we should mistrust anyone who dismisses their opponents by accusing them of spouting Kremlin propaganda.
Well said.
Cultural Marxism which evolved from the Frankfurt School, was modified by Gramsci, then Brown Communists such as Frantz Fanon and Sartre, then post Modernist Marxists. The aim is to reduce the freedom of the individual, so they are coerced into joining a collective run by people such as yourselves. Both communism and corporatism wish to destroy the liberty of the individual.
The World better, what does that mean? What does fairer mean ? Basically we hand over power to you so that you run our lives according to your whims.
“The World better, what does that mean? What does fairer mean?”
Precisely. My whole point that “the left” is no more homogenous than “the right” or any other large group. And, just an an example of that, I doubt, if even 1% of those on the left have read even one of those authors – let alone shares their world view. I haven’t.
By ascribing a whole host of bonkers ideas to everyone who disagrees with you, you are not only doing a disservice to them but also to yourself because you’re being paranoid.
It’s like reds under the bed. McCarthyism mistook every instance of vaguely “progressive” dissent for an active soviet conspiracy and, thereby, not only made themselves ridiculous (eventually) but also made America far less free (immediately and for quite a while).
Those who imagine Trotskyite vanguards everywhere are often overlooking far more prosaic explanations for the actions of their antagonists.
Exactly.
Well said.