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Vivek Ramaswamy is the Macbeth candidate Vaulting ambition could be his downfall

'Fair is foul, and foul is fair' (Win McNamee/Getty Images)

'Fair is foul, and foul is fair' (Win McNamee/Getty Images)




August 31, 2023   3 mins

In the arena of modern American politics, few figures have enjoyed an ascent as rapid as Vivek Ramaswamy. This 38-year-old son of Tamil Brahmin immigrants has positioned himself as the intellectual heir to Donald Trump in the current Republican primary — with a heavy emphasis on “intellectual”.

By the standards of American political discourse — never quite on a par with the UK’s Oxford Union tradition — Ramaswamy has displayed all the quintessential qualities of a great debater. Each of his words, whether you agree with it or not, strikes with laser precision. He knows exactly what he is doing. And it’s working: his poll numbers are on the rise, resonating well beyond Trump’s staunchest supporters while retaining this critical base.

Yet Ramaswamy’s adept leveraging of Trumpian language is less an embrace of ideology than a shrewd tactical move. In a political climate where Trump’s influence looms large, Ramaswamy has made Trumpism his own, albeit with a bit more nuance. When it comes to politically sensitive topics such as Ukraine or Taiwan, Ramaswamy is adept at threading the needle. He panders to Trump’s base with an initial broad stroke — arguing for a more hands-off approach to these nations’ security affairs — only to follow it up with a meticulously detailed explication that he can seemingly recite from memory. This strategy allows him to engage a broad swathe of Republican voters, from the most zealous Trump supporters to those who prefer a more nuanced stance, as well as some anti-imperialists on the isolationist Left. When media outlets or rival candidates accuse him of U-turning or selling out his own party, Ramaswamy counters by claiming his remarks are taken out of context. And then, with remarkable alacrity, he delivers the much-needed context, nullifying the critiques.

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For all the attention he commands, however, Ramaswamy remains an enigma. Yes, he’s a family man, a monotheistic Hindu, a Harvard and Yale graduate, and an an accomplished national-level tennis player. But what else is there to him? Is it pure, unadulterated ambition, or is there more than meets the eye?

In the realm of American politics, few debaters have shown Ramaswamy’s rhetorical skill. Consider Senator Ted Cruz, who served as Solicitor General for the state of Texas and has appeared before the US Supreme Court nine times — securing victories in five cases. Cruz has delivered 34 appellate oral arguments, a record unmatched by any practising Texas lawyer or current member of Congress. Yet Ramaswamy’s talent eclipses even Cruz’s considerable gifts. Cruz is smooth, but he is thoroughly unlikable and can’t respond in the off the cuff the way that Ramaswamy has mastered.

At this point, the competition seems less between Ramaswamy and his Republican opponents and more between Ramaswamy and the boundaries of political discourse he is continually pushing. In that battle, he seems to be carving not just a niche but an entirely new landscape.

Ramaswamy’s aptitude for floating between conspiracy theories and fact-based arguments places him in a league above contemporaries such as the gravelly-voiced Robert F. Kennedy Jr. On the subject of climate change, Ramaswamy demonstrates an intellectual dexterity that allows him to reach across the ideological aisle. While he claims not to deny climate change, he simultaneously challenges the prevailing scientific consensus. During last week’s primary debate, he decried the climate-change agenda as a “hoax” and contended that “more people are dying from climate policies than actual climate change”. Later, he acknowledged the impact of burning fossil fuels but lambasted the “climate cult”, advocating for increased oil production and criticising support for a carbon tax.

As always, he has a way of squaring this circle. It’s this acuity that allows him to touch on sensitive topics such as federal-agent involvement in 9/11 or the Capitol riot without igniting the firestorm one might expect from Trump or other less nimble Republicans. It seemingly grants him a greater latitude to explore controversial opinions, as he can unfailingly add layers of caveats and qualifications to everything he says.

Given his talent for argumentation, what Ramaswamy truly believes will remain elusive; this is a man who can say anything. His admiration, for instance, of Elon Musk’s lean approach to business management reflects his libertarian core, exemplified by a desire to reduce the federal government’s workforce by 75%. Yet his political ambition goes beyond libertarian ideals; he aims to exercise presidential power almost akin to an elected monarch: he vows to fire the majority of federal employees, dismantle civil service protections, abolish numerous federal agencies such as the Department of Education and the FBI, and challenge long-established executive orders — a government-trimmer in personnel, if not in budget.

To implement his audacious vision, Ramaswamy would have to topple two political “kings” — the exiled Donald Trump and a seemingly fading Joe Biden. It is a project whose scale mirrors that of Shakespeare’s Macbeth, who spoke of “vaulting ambition which o’erleaps itself”. While it’s difficult to ascertain what Ramaswamy truly seeks or who he fundamentally is, the force of his drive is undeniable. And as with Macbeth, it is a double-edged sword: a driving force and a potential downfall.


Oliver Bateman is a historian and journalist based in Pittsburgh. He blogs, vlogs, and podcasts at his Substack, Oliver Bateman Does the Work

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J Bryant
J Bryant
7 months ago

I like Ramaswamy and I would suggest he’s not a particularly complex character.
The first thing to note about him is his intellect. He was valedictorian of his high school. He didn’t just go to Harvard for his BA, he graduated summa cum laude in biology. Then he studied law at Yale. He is extremely bright and can, as the author notes, understand complicated problems and explain them to a general audience at the drop of a hat.
He then went on to have a remarkably successful career, first in a hedge fund then by founding his own biotech company which sought to cheaply in-license drugs from big pharma that had failed in clinical trials and test them in other diseases. That strategy had enough home runs to make him rich.
As an aside, he’s an accomplished pianist and, as the author notes, a highly-ranked tennis player.
In my opinion, like many gifted people, he’s primarily a meritocrat because meritocracy works to his advantage. That’s why he has little patience with race-based quotas or other preferences based on ethnicity or gender: let everyone compete and the best will rise to the top. He’s fundamentally a capitalist more than a politician.
The other considerable talent he possesses is handling “gotcha” interviews. He goes on left-wing talk shows where he knows the interviewer will try to trip him up and holds his own (a risky strategy but so far it seems to be working and raising his public profile).
As the author notes, he’s playing a shrewd political game; simultaneously appealing to the Trump base (even to Trump himself) while also appealing to some moderate voters.
I know his strategy is working because the msm is now furiously trying to take him down. There’s almost an industry of anti-Ramaswamy articles.
The question I can’t quite figure out is his end game. My best guess is he’s either positioning himself to be the obvious choice if Trump has to pull out of the race because of his legal troubles, or he wants to be Trump’s VP and is reasonably confident Trump will not complete a first term because of the law suits (although Ramaswamy denies wanting to be Trump’s VP).
We are in a time of profound change when the old system and its leaders no longer work for most of us. Something, and someone, new is needed. Even if Ramaswamy’s political ambitions ultimately fail, I view him as the first of a new generation of politicians trying to bring fresh and innovative leadership to our country.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
7 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Great post.

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

I admire your confidence and only wish I had the same.

Emmanuel MARTIN
Emmanuel MARTIN
7 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Golfclap !
Why is that a mere comment and not the main article.

Jonathan Nash
Jonathan Nash
7 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

“In my opinion, like many gifted people, he’s primarily a meritocrat because meritocracy works to his advantage.”
He has many impressive personal accomplishments, but that doesn’t necessarily make him a good candidate for President. Does he have the sound political judgment to make workable policies for people who do not have his drive and determination? What would he propose to do about the widespread Fentanyl addiction in the US? What about the enormous and growing wealth gap? Where does he stand on the status of immigrants entering through the Southern border? These are not questions which can be solved with a spreadsheet and telling people to work harder and smarter.
As Tina Turner almost said: “We don’t need another hedge fund manager”.  

Paul Rodolf
Paul Rodolf
7 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

If you believe him, he is a patriot that realized the American Dream and sees the opportunity for others to realize that dream slipping away. He wants to restore the America that gave him so many opportunities. He says he will always do what he thinks is best for the country.

Tom Pettigrew
Tom Pettigrew
7 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Ramaswamy is young. His end game is likely 2028.

T Bone
T Bone
7 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Meritocrat is a great term. Something we should expect from leaders…real talent.
Socialism is effectively a bureacratic Yes Man system that favors the compliant over the talented.

Hierarchies are natural. They will exist in any environment. The goal is to create the fairest Hierarchy and one based on talent is the fairest system. I’m glad we’re starting to see impressive people rise over the stifling magisterial bureacracy that squelches talent in favor of mediocre yes men.

Last edited 7 months ago by T Bone
Jeff Cunningham
Jeff Cunningham
7 months ago
Reply to  T Bone

It’s not that a meritocrati system is fairest, but that it is most productive and efficient, providing a bigger “pie” to then get “unfairly” divided up.

Christopher Barclay
Christopher Barclay
7 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

It would be great to see him debate Biden, though I doubt that Biden’s team would allow that.

Alan Gore
Alan Gore
7 months ago
Reply to  J Bryant

Another Ramaswamy voter here. He is able to run as the pro-science candidate without sounding too ‘techy’ for the Trump base.

D Bagnall
D Bagnall
7 months ago

“While he claims not to deny climate change, he simultaneously challenges the prevailing scientific consensus.” I would quibble with that, as apparently does Ramaswamy. One can both accept climate change and challenge prevailing political consensus on the nature and remedies to the challenge. It is my experience that Ramaswamy, unlike traditional politicians, accurately addresses complex problems with well-articulated, complex answers. Should we have a problem with that?

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
7 months ago
Reply to  D Bagnall

No we shouldn’t, but complex answers are notoriously difficult to sell. Perhaps the question could be rephrased as: does democracy have a problem with that?

Last edited 7 months ago by Steve Murray
Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
7 months ago

Breaking: A guy running for president is ambitious.

Amol Kaikini
Amol Kaikini
7 months ago

Thank you Mr. Bryant. I have Watched Some of the hour long interviews. He is impressive and comes out better than one minute answers in a debate.

Last edited 7 months ago by Amol Kaikini
Jim Veenbaas
JV
Jim Veenbaas
7 months ago

Ramaswamy is by far my favourite candidate – smart, successful, ambitious and articulate. I wasn’t thrilled with his comments about a climate change agenda hoax. He was being a bit deceitful in an effort to pander to some Trump voters. Still, he’s by far the best candidate IMO.

John Pade
John Pade
7 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

There is room for a climate agenda hoax next to a climate change reality. Just like it’s possible to acknowledge a climate change problem and oppose a climate change crisis. Ramaswarmy seems to disagree with the measures, if such a temperate word can be applied to such radical actions, taken to address climate change, not with the idea of climate change itself.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
7 months ago
Reply to  John Pade

I think he was playing word games, which I don’t like.

Laurence Levin
Laurence Levin
7 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

Let’s evaluate how effective green policies are by taking the case of Germany. What did the greens do.
Closed nuclear plants Vastly increased subsidies for windmills and solar which caused energy prices to soar.Found that solar did not work that well for a country that is lies north of the 45th parallel and is cloudy in the winter.Vastly increased dirty coal (lignite) burning, This policy both greatly increasing their carbon footprint and causing other pollution that (according to an NBER paper) kills several thousand a year.Became reliant on Russia for natural gas.So to summarize, following the green agenda; impoverished people by making energy more expensive, increased both CO2 and pollution and had serious negative consequences for Germany’s national security.
I believe that when Ramaswamy says he is opposed to the climate agenda that is what he is talking about.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
7 months ago
Reply to  Laurence Levin

The cost of energy soared because Putin cut off Europe’s and Britain’s oil supply that came from Russia. Germany wasn’t the only country affected.

Paul Rodolf
Paul Rodolf
7 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

You’re saying that Putin sabotaged his own pipeline?

McExpat M
McExpat M
7 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Germany was made particularly vulnerable by extremely bad policy decisions. They simultaneously strengthened Putin’s hand and increased carbon output, whilst deindustrializing and placing their citizens in a cost of living crisis. Germany has the dubious of distinction of being the poster child of how not to Go Green.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
7 months ago
Reply to  Laurence Levin

I agree that net zero will be an unmitigated disaster and that Germany is just starting to feel the impact. I know Ramaswamy feels the same way and I know he believes CO2 is a problem, not catastrophe waiting to happen. I don’t like the word games though.

Alan Gore
Alan Gore
7 months ago
Reply to  Laurence Levin

In opposing the climate change agenda, Ramaswany was the one candidate who came right out and said we need to build nuclear plants. THAT is the climate roadmap that would really have an effect on the problem.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
7 months ago
Reply to  John Pade

So we can agree that there’s a climate change “problem” but not a “crisis.” Wow, that makes no sense, but I think that’s your way (or Ramaswamy’s) of saying “let’s do nothing.”

McExpat M
McExpat M
7 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Please educate us all on what we should do.

Vijay Vanbakkam
Vijay Vanbakkam
7 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

he is bit more nuanced. He agrees to climate change, that too brought about by humans. However his sticking point is climate change agenda/policies

Benjamin Greco
Benjamin Greco
7 months ago

He still seems like a precocious lightweight to me. It is more likely he is angling to be Trump’s pick for VP. He can’t steal Trump’s supporters away from their god and he can’t win the nomination. As other have pointed out why buy a copy when you can have the original.

Jim Bocho
Jim Bocho
7 months ago

A Donald Trump victory is the only way the world can avoid, or at least delay, a US-provoked nuclear exchange.

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
7 months ago

I think he’s actually auditioning to be Lady Macbeth, but otherwise happy with the analogy LOL.

Howard S.
Howard S.
7 months ago

I can certainly see him as President sitting down to discuss government policy with Diane Feinstein, John Fetterman and Mitch McConnell.

Andrzej Wasniewski
Andrzej Wasniewski
7 months ago

Vivek is a great example of a highly intelligent, very successful person who suddenly has to make sense of the global politics of power and makes a complete idiot of himself. We have seen it before in a bit different flavor with of it in the case of Obama and his Russian pivot. The idea that Russia can persuaded by the US, or any other power, to stop its wet dream of becoming a great dominating power in Central and Eastern Europe, and, together with China, to end the American domination in the world.
What Vivek is saying about Ukraine is devoid of any understanding that this is the US chance to stop worrying about Europe defense by working with countries that, unlike Germany, would not mind spending 2-4% on their own defense against Russia. Poland, Ukraine and Baltic Republics, Finland are credible allies provided that some idiot in the WH does not decide one day to make nice with Putin.
It will cost US less over time, and will allow it to focus on China without weakening its position in Europe. Vivek plan is to betray all allies in Europe, betray Israel, destroy US credibility, and then fight Xi. How stupid it is?

James Sullivan
James Sullivan
7 months ago

Ramaswamy is in the race to do one thing: wreck any apparent front runners to smooth the way for Trump.

j watson
j watson
7 months ago

Seems he’ll say just about anything to get attention, please a ‘base’ and, crucially, attract v rich donors. For example I doubt he cares much about abortion but if saying something some rich donors, like Leonard Leo, want to hear he’ll say it.
And if he needs to grope deeper into conspiracy shadows to get the profile he wants he’ll do it.
Ker-ching.
Now where we seen this before?

Charles Stanhope
Charles Stanhope
7 months ago
Reply to  j watson

Well said Sir! Spot on.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
7 months ago
Reply to  j watson

From every other politician in the world.

j watson
j watson
7 months ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Yes to be fair many politicians can tend to say what they think folks want to hear esp when trying to get elected, but this fella a bit more unique in the dangerous conspiracy twaddle.
Someone we’d want with their finger on the button? I think not.
Unfortunately though for all his playing to a specific gallery GOP highly unlikely to go for a non-white candidate when it comes to it, even in this day and age. Quite a similarity there with the Tory members back in UK one suspects.
I liked Hally, and I think Christie much more honest too. I think they’d both beat Biden fairly easily. At some point GOP ought to click that it has candidates that can almost guarantee the end of Biden, but it seems wedded to the nut-jobs that just might allow Biden to wriggle through. Memberships not always the smartest are they. I mean Corbyn was another similar example arguably in the UK.

Last edited 7 months ago by j watson
Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
7 months ago
Reply to  j watson

94% of Americans support interracial marriage and you think a bunch of people in the GOP won’t vote for a non-white candidate. Based on what?

j watson
j watson
7 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

GOP members about 8% of US pop, so I guess poss the 6% clusters?

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
7 months ago
Reply to  j watson

You’re assuming the 6% who don’t support interracial marriage are white.

j watson
j watson
7 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

You missed the ? in the sentence. No assumption made. I never brought up the inter-racial marriage issue.
However stand by my suggestion GOP highly unlikely at the moment to select a non white. The demographic of GOP membership, whilst changing slightly with more hispanic still overwhelming white and of certain generations. Fact so many seem to prefer a criminal, sexual predator who will illicit white supramacist support if he thinks useful to him, may just suggest something in it don’t you think?

Jim Veenbaas
JV
Jim Veenbaas
7 months ago
Reply to  j watson

I won’t argue this endlessly. Let’s say all the racists support trump and the GOP. I think I’ve demonstrated that this is such a small fraction of the population that it would have very little impact on the GOP selection process.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
7 months ago
Reply to  j watson

Another reason he won’t get the nomination is that he’s not a Christian. No way.

Jim Veenbaas
JV
Jim Veenbaas
7 months ago
Reply to  j watson

Hmm. Biden keeps telling us what a threat to democracy the fascist MAGA crowd is, while the Dems spend about $10 mill supporting who they consider the most extreme candidates in GOP primaries.

Miriam Cotton
Miriam Cotton
7 months ago

Too young. He needs to vary his schtick a little.

Tyler Durden
Tyler Durden
7 months ago

He follows the Obama model and is not to be trusted. Only Trump would make a deal with Putin over the Donbas republics, and he will not be allowed to take power again.

Robbie K
Robbie K
7 months ago

I’m uncertain how anyone can be considered an intellectual if they believe climate change is a hoax and peddles other red pill type conspiracies.