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How the Mormons bought Cambridgeshire The church is a force to be reckoned with in East Anglia

Mormon leaders at the 186th Annual General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (George Frey/Getty Images

Mormon leaders at the 186th Annual General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (George Frey/Getty Images


December 13, 2022   5 mins

The leafy, residential streets of Cambridge are about as far as you can get from the arid valleys of Utah. But with its grey concrete spire and squat mid-century gabled exterior, the chapel in the suburb of Cherry Hinton could have been transplanted directly from Salt Lake City. It is a striking sign of a little-known fact: that the Mormons are a force to be reckoned with in East Anglia.

The Utah-based religious movement — founded in 1830 in New York State — rebranded in 2018, calling for “Mormon” to be abandoned in favour of the official “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. “It’s a bit of a mouthful,” admits Kevin Johnson, 56, who was raised in the faith in Norwich and now worships in Cambridge. But the focus on “latter days” is strategic: “we’re here now to make a difference in the world”. And for that, the Church needs funds.

On the other side of Cambridgeshire, it is doing God’s work, in the fertile earth of the fens. In the village of Woodwalton, near Huntingdon, it owns thousands of acres. Over the years, it has been variously reported to be the largest foreign purchaser of land in Britain; during a spree in the late Nineties, it spent £30 million on prime farmland in the space of six years. More recently, it came top of Farmers Weekly’s list of “unusual owners of UK farmland”. According to Guy Shrubsole, author of Who Owns England?, the Church is the 78th largest landowner in the country, with 7,716 acres.

Agriculture may seem like a surprising sideline, but it is in keeping with the Church’s history — the pioneers of Mormonism, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, were both sons of farmers — and its central values. There is “an emphasis on self-reliance”, says Anne Thomas, a 27-year-old Latter Day Saint from California who just completed her PhD at the University of Cambridge — “just being prepared for anything”.

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The Church’s control of land is usually indirect. It effectively runs a multinational firm named AgReserves, which was once reported to be America’s largest producer of nuts and is the largest private landowner in Florida — where it is planning a city almost 20 times the size of Manhattan. A subsidiary of the firm, Farmland Reserve UK Ltd, exists in this country as both a registered charity and a limited company, according to documents lodged at Companies House. Its principal activity is arable farming, and it has been reaping the rewards of soaring global cereal prices. It owns land worth almost £54 million and buildings worth almost £17 million.

While their religious activities — which include handing out literature on the street — are highly visible, their business enterprises are not. The church was quick to tell me that while its community members would be happy to be interviewed, “the farmland entity” would not.

It was not always so media-shy. Back in 1999, The Independent was invited into its boardroom on Manor Farm. A printed sign read: “Our business is farmland. Profit motivated: No Excuses.” In the Nineties, it was expanding — into Norfolk, Suffolk and Lincolnshire. Now, it is going into retreat. Accepting that the “scattered nature of some of the parcels of land do lead to some labour and equipment inefficiencies”, the company is consolidating its land holdings “around one major farm centre in Cambridgeshire”.

But the strategy is still paying dividends — turning some of Britain’s most high-grade land into hard cash. Last year, the company donated £2 million to its Utah sister charity, which spent £1 million on renovations to the two UK temples (in Surrey and Lancashire) and £1 million on vaccinations in Slovakia, Albania and Bulgaria, wheelchairs in Cape Verde, and support for Afghan refugees in Germany.

These donations sound heavenly, but the Church has faced allegations that it is trying to make itself appear more generous than it actually is. Just last month, it was accused of overstating the amount it gives in charity by more than $1 billion. Members are required to “tithe”, or donate, 10% of their income to the Church. But The Sydney Morning Herald reported that the Church then donates less than 1% of what it receives to charity, and stockpiles cash and investments in a $100 billion tax-free fund. In 2020, Roger Clarke, the head of the “Ensign Peak” fund, told The Wall Street Journal that knowledge of it among members might discourage tithing, saying they “never wanted to be in a position where people felt like, you know, they shouldn’t make a contribution”.

“The Mormon church will have you believe that it’s a religion that dabbles in business,” says ex-Mormon Ryan McKnight, who founded MormonLeaks, “but the evidence clearly shows that they are a business dabbling in religion.” A Utah spokesman denied the charge, saying: “The Church of Jesus Christ is not a financial or profit-making institution and uses its resources to carry out its divinely appointed mission.”

No multi-billion-dollar fund, however, can stop people asking difficult questions. And the Church has been having to adapt to head off criticism of the stickier parts of its history. Polygamy was dropped in 1890 (although a man can still be “sealed” to more than one woman in the afterlife). A ban on black men joining the priesthood was not lifted until 1978. (It remains for women of any colour.) And it took until 2014 for the Church to officially admit for the first time that Joseph Smith had up to 40 wives, including a 14-year-old girl.

Meanwhile, disciples are coming from the most unlikely of places. The Book of Mormon musical — which mercilessly satirises the religion — arrived in the West End in 2013 and began touring the UK in 2019. Church missionaries often proselytise after performances – with some audience members mistaking them for the cast and others even joining the Church after having their interest piqued. It seems a uniquely Latter Day Saint reaction to lampooning. “I think we kind of roll with it,” says Anne Thomas. “Because we are a pretty small population, we want to be on good terms with people that don’t know a lot about the Church. We want to have a positive interaction rather than a defensive one.” As adverts in the show’s programme, funded by the Church, say: “You’ve seen the play… now read the book.”

In the second half of the 20th century, it was not just land that the Church was acquiring, but members — at a rate of knots. Sociologist Rodney Stark forecast in 1984 that what was then Mormonism would become the first new major world religion since Islam. However, today, while growth is strong in Africa, it is having problems elsewhere. In 2011, Elder Marlin Jensen accepted that members in the US were “leaving in droves” in a “period of apostasy”. And the Church has failed to take flight in Britain in recent decades. It grew from 6,500 members in the mid-Sixties, to almost 200,000 in the Nineties (in 1995, The Spectator even predicted that “it may not be long before there are more Mormons going to church in England than Anglicans”). But UK membership now stands at 186,803, a figure that has remained virtually static for more than 20 years. Numbers of new recruits have been falling: in 2017, it baptised 1,494 proselytes. This fell to 1,281 in 2018; 995 in 2019; and 454 in 2020. The Church spent £7.8 million on its missionary programme last year, which resulted in the baptism of 655 converts.

But that is only one measure of progress; growth can also come from beyond the grave. The Church claims to have amassed the largest collection of family records in the world and all (living) members are encouraged to “take an Ancestor to the Temple”, a tenet of their faith that makes for perennial headlines. In 1995, in 2012, and again in 2017, the Church had to apologise for posthumously baptising Jewish victims of the Holocaust.

Winston Churchill, Marilyn Monroe and the Queen Mother have all reportedly been baptised in the afterlife. Under Church teachings, any deceased beneficiary of a proxy immersion is then given the choice of whether to accept the offer of salvation. Anna McKeown, who studied at Brigham Young University in Utah before moving to Cambridge, says: “We believe, over the next thousand or so years, that we’ll hopefully be able to do that for everyone.”
Quarrying the past is central to the faith. But the Latter Day Saints should perhaps be more concerned with sowing seeds for the future. It costs nothing but controversy to baptise on behalf of the dead — and, if its stance towards the Book of Mormon is anything to go by, the Church can see all publicity is good publicity. Converting the living, though, is expensive. It is as much in the Fens’ fruitful farmland as in their family records database where the Latter Day Saints will be digging for divine victory.

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Etan Smallman is a freelance journalist.

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Laura Kelly
Laura Kelly
1 year ago

I lived in Utah until I was 40 and, despite being an unapologetic atheist, had plenty of Mormon friends, boyfriends and good neighbors. Mormons are upright, wholesome people, on the whole, and some of the most well-adjusted and gracious folks I ever knew. The church itself has any large organization’s problems with power seeking and corruption, hardly beyond reproach, but the state of Utah used to be well run with a lot more social services than one might expect from a conservative state. I’m sorry to learn that their enrollment is going down because they’ve held the line against the “queering” and degradation of modern society while most Protestant sects have just rolled over.

Matt Downs
Matt Downs
1 year ago
Reply to  Laura Kelly

Thanks for the kind words! I would agree that the majority of members I come in contact with across the world are amazing people who sincerely love Christ and his teachings and try to emulate his example.

One comment on the article.. temple work for the dead doesn’t “convert” anyone.. it simply gives them the chance to accept the temple work (baptism, marriage, and family sealing) performed on their behalf in the after life

Iris C
Iris C
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Downs

Do the Mormons ask payment from family members for this service?
I ask this because Protestantism was born out of the tithes family members had to pay the Catholic Church to raise the soul of a deceased relative out of purgatory and into heaven.
A bit of a con, I fear.

Cantab Man
Cantab Man
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

No. No payments are made in exchange for ancestor work performed in temples. A mormon can submit the name of an ancestor for temple ordinance-by-proxy to be done by others, or they can do it themselves.

S Hunt
SH
S Hunt
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

No. We do provide resources for finding more about your ancestors on FamilySearch.org. It’s free and open to anyone who wants to use it.

Our tithes are used to build temples, church buildings, missionary work, etc.

We also don’t have paid clergy in our church.

Cantab Man
Cantab Man
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

No. No payments are made in exchange for ancestor work performed in temples. A mormon can submit the name of an ancestor for temple ordinance-by-proxy to be done by others, or they can do it themselves.

S Hunt
S Hunt
1 year ago
Reply to  Iris C

No. We do provide resources for finding more about your ancestors on FamilySearch.org. It’s free and open to anyone who wants to use it.

Our tithes are used to build temples, church buildings, missionary work, etc.

We also don’t have paid clergy in our church.

Iris C
Iris C
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Downs

Do the Mormons ask payment from family members for this service?
I ask this because Protestantism was born out of the tithes family members had to pay the Catholic Church to raise the soul of a deceased relative out of purgatory and into heaven.
A bit of a con, I fear.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Laura Kelly

‘The church … has problems with power seeking and corruption …’. That doesn’t sound very churchlike? ‘Ah, but you see it’s a large organisation‘ OK, I get it, that explains everything!

Gordon Black
GB
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Large organisations need scrupulous guards to prevent power seeking and corruption. But, who guards the guards? Some churches solve this by having a Grand Guard from whom there is no escape from justice. Good system: without it … well … best of luck.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Large organisations need scrupulous guards to prevent power seeking and corruption. But, who guards the guards? Some churches solve this by having a Grand Guard from whom there is no escape from justice. Good system: without it … well … best of luck.

Matt Downs
Matt Downs
1 year ago
Reply to  Laura Kelly

Thanks for the kind words! I would agree that the majority of members I come in contact with across the world are amazing people who sincerely love Christ and his teachings and try to emulate his example.

One comment on the article.. temple work for the dead doesn’t “convert” anyone.. it simply gives them the chance to accept the temple work (baptism, marriage, and family sealing) performed on their behalf in the after life

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
1 year ago
Reply to  Laura Kelly

‘The church … has problems with power seeking and corruption …’. That doesn’t sound very churchlike? ‘Ah, but you see it’s a large organisation‘ OK, I get it, that explains everything!

Laura Kelly
LK
Laura Kelly
1 year ago

I lived in Utah until I was 40 and, despite being an unapologetic atheist, had plenty of Mormon friends, boyfriends and good neighbors. Mormons are upright, wholesome people, on the whole, and some of the most well-adjusted and gracious folks I ever knew. The church itself has any large organization’s problems with power seeking and corruption, hardly beyond reproach, but the state of Utah used to be well run with a lot more social services than one might expect from a conservative state. I’m sorry to learn that their enrollment is going down because they’ve held the line against the “queering” and degradation of modern society while most Protestant sects have just rolled over.

Jonas Moze
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

”“but the evidence clearly shows that they are a business dabbling in religion.””

I have had a lot of dealings with Mormons and think them a great strength in the coming chaos ahead of secular humanism turning into an atheist AI-Trans-Humanism hell. One of their many strengths (aside from their ferocity if attacked, which they hold as a tenant) is they believe in success. They hold success earned is a good thing and all should strive for it. Strong Moral stance as well – They are a rock in the coming storm.

Naturally they would believe in being successful financially, and in security, and that means success in business. That is the only way to prepare for a future, have resources – and you may know that is a big tenant of their faith – (keeping a years supply of food is required) as they will not be destroyed. Good for them. I do not know enough to compare them to Sikhs, but I find some commonality, and think in coming hard times organized hard people with strong Morals are vital – and those two groups have that.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

It’s “tenet”, not “tenant” – unless you’re referring to tenant farmers?!

And in East Anglia, would they be farming ‘horrible’ land?

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Some of the ‘best’ land in England, only exceeded by its near neighbour Lincolnshire!

Which is why perhaps Sir James Dyson has been buying up many square miles of it in recent years!* (God isn’t making anymore of it.)

(IHT Free, off course!)

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

I was expecting an ‘arable’ reply!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

My apologies. After the battering Grimsby got the day I thought I would attempt to redress the balance!

CHARLES STANHOPE
CS
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

My apologies. After the battering Grimsby got the day I thought I would attempt to redress the balance!

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

I was expecting an ‘arable’ reply!

Linda Hutchinson
LH
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Who is saying that it’s “horrible” land? I canb see no reference in teh article or the above comment – I could have missed it of course. Any how, it’s not, it’s very high-grade land which was why the Angles settled there in the first place.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

Oh Linda!! It’s a play on the word ‘arable’ – following on from the misuse of the similar-sounding tenant/tenet.
(The use of single inverted commas was intended to provide the clue.)

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
Linda Hutchinson
LH
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Sorry, my bad. I’m obviously off my game.I shall now shuffle off to my meeting all shamed faced.:(

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

Ha! You probably have less ‘off’ days than me 🙂

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago

Ha! You probably have less ‘off’ days than me 🙂

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Sorry, my bad. I’m obviously off my game.I shall now shuffle off to my meeting all shamed faced.:(

Steve Murray
LL
Steve Murray
1 year ago

Oh Linda!! It’s a play on the word ‘arable’ – following on from the misuse of the similar-sounding tenant/tenet.
(The use of single inverted commas was intended to provide the clue.)

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Some of the ‘best’ land in England, only exceeded by its near neighbour Lincolnshire!

Which is why perhaps Sir James Dyson has been buying up many square miles of it in recent years!* (God isn’t making anymore of it.)

(IHT Free, off course!)

Linda Hutchinson
Linda Hutchinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

Who is saying that it’s “horrible” land? I canb see no reference in teh article or the above comment – I could have missed it of course. Any how, it’s not, it’s very high-grade land which was why the Angles settled there in the first place.

S Hunt
S Hunt
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

We aren’t required to store a year’s worth of food. We do what we can with the resources we have. It would be ideal, but most of us don’t. There a lot of inaccurate things in this article.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

It’s “tenet”, not “tenant” – unless you’re referring to tenant farmers?!

And in East Anglia, would they be farming ‘horrible’ land?

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Murray
S Hunt
S Hunt
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonas Moze

We aren’t required to store a year’s worth of food. We do what we can with the resources we have. It would be ideal, but most of us don’t. There a lot of inaccurate things in this article.

Jonas Moze
JM
Jonas Moze
1 year ago

”“but the evidence clearly shows that they are a business dabbling in religion.””

I have had a lot of dealings with Mormons and think them a great strength in the coming chaos ahead of secular humanism turning into an atheist AI-Trans-Humanism hell. One of their many strengths (aside from their ferocity if attacked, which they hold as a tenant) is they believe in success. They hold success earned is a good thing and all should strive for it. Strong Moral stance as well – They are a rock in the coming storm.

Naturally they would believe in being successful financially, and in security, and that means success in business. That is the only way to prepare for a future, have resources – and you may know that is a big tenant of their faith – (keeping a years supply of food is required) as they will not be destroyed. Good for them. I do not know enough to compare them to Sikhs, but I find some commonality, and think in coming hard times organized hard people with strong Morals are vital – and those two groups have that.

Michael Ritter
Michael Ritter
1 year ago

So. What about the the land the Mormon Church owns in East Anglia?
Starting off with a photograph of a group of women who are almost certainly NOT Mormons, the article looses the thread about half way through and turns to what looks like an uninformed criticism of some more esoteric doctrines.
Does anybody know about the land issue in East Anglia?

J Bryant
J Bryant
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Ritter

Yeah, that was my reaction to this article too. Are the Mormons inappropriately using their influence in East Anglia as major landowners? Do they have an agenda beyond using the land profitably?

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Ritter

The photo looks like a group of polygamist wives looking at a geyser in Yellowstone National Park in the western United States. Either that or some Mormon women dressing up to look like pioneers.
The Mormon church is losing members at a steady rate. Some are still joining or being born into the church, but more are leaving or dying. It’s sad to see.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CS
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Ritter

MORONS not MORMONS?

Andrew D
Andrew D
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Ritter

So they’re consolidating their land holding in the Fens, and otherwise ‘going into retreat’. Meanwhile the number of conversions continues to drop. Hardly sounds like they’re ‘a force to be reckoned with’, in East Anglia or anywhere else.

J Bryant
J Bryant
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Ritter

Yeah, that was my reaction to this article too. Are the Mormons inappropriately using their influence in East Anglia as major landowners? Do they have an agenda beyond using the land profitably?

Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Ritter

The photo looks like a group of polygamist wives looking at a geyser in Yellowstone National Park in the western United States. Either that or some Mormon women dressing up to look like pioneers.
The Mormon church is losing members at a steady rate. Some are still joining or being born into the church, but more are leaving or dying. It’s sad to see.

CHARLES STANHOPE
CHARLES STANHOPE
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Ritter

MORONS not MORMONS?

Andrew D
AD
Andrew D
1 year ago
Reply to  Michael Ritter

So they’re consolidating their land holding in the Fens, and otherwise ‘going into retreat’. Meanwhile the number of conversions continues to drop. Hardly sounds like they’re ‘a force to be reckoned with’, in East Anglia or anywhere else.

Michael Ritter
MR
Michael Ritter
1 year ago

So. What about the the land the Mormon Church owns in East Anglia?
Starting off with a photograph of a group of women who are almost certainly NOT Mormons, the article looses the thread about half way through and turns to what looks like an uninformed criticism of some more esoteric doctrines.
Does anybody know about the land issue in East Anglia?

Danny Edwinson
DE
Danny Edwinson
1 year ago

I am not a Mormon, but I have Mormon/LDS friends, and in my experience they are amongst the most decent people I know. All major religious institutions can fall prey to corruption. I would note however that when the Parker/Stone musical that openly mocks sacred tenets of Mormonism arrived in London, representatives of the church did not threaten violence, organise protests or seek legal avenues to shut down freedom of expression. Western culture sees fit to denigrate and mock religious institutions only when they are peaceful and tolerant. There is a profound moral cowardice in that.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  Danny Edwinson

A very good point in their favour.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
1 year ago
Reply to  Danny Edwinson

A very good point in their favour.

Danny Edwinson
Danny Edwinson
1 year ago

I am not a Mormon, but I have Mormon/LDS friends, and in my experience they are amongst the most decent people I know. All major religious institutions can fall prey to corruption. I would note however that when the Parker/Stone musical that openly mocks sacred tenets of Mormonism arrived in London, representatives of the church did not threaten violence, organise protests or seek legal avenues to shut down freedom of expression. Western culture sees fit to denigrate and mock religious institutions only when they are peaceful and tolerant. There is a profound moral cowardice in that.

Justin S
JS
Justin S
1 year ago

I am not a Mormon. However, this article writer has annoyed me because he is obviously anti Mormon because it is an organised religion.
He also operates in the mode of the Guardian.
Take a set of facts that show an organisation/ person has money and business resources – Then insinuate corruption and wrong doing as a result of that money.
i.e. you have money and therefore you are corrupt and must be using that money for nefarious purposes.
Every religion takes its congregants donations, and invests them for useful buildings and future investment returns to fund the financial needs of the organisation in the future.
This is normal.

Justin S
Justin S
1 year ago

I am not a Mormon. However, this article writer has annoyed me because he is obviously anti Mormon because it is an organised religion.
He also operates in the mode of the Guardian.
Take a set of facts that show an organisation/ person has money and business resources – Then insinuate corruption and wrong doing as a result of that money.
i.e. you have money and therefore you are corrupt and must be using that money for nefarious purposes.
Every religion takes its congregants donations, and invests them for useful buildings and future investment returns to fund the financial needs of the organisation in the future.
This is normal.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago

I’d be more interested in the Mormons were buying up the city of Cambridge, rather than the shire. Now that would set the cat among the pigeons.

Christopher Chantrill
Christopher Chantrill
1 year ago

I’d be more interested in the Mormons were buying up the city of Cambridge, rather than the shire. Now that would set the cat among the pigeons.

JR Stoker
JS
JR Stoker
1 year ago

7,000 odd acres hardly makes them a major force in the UK economy, or even UK farming.
In any case, I worry a lot more about the weird behaviours and beliefs of the National Trust (500,000 acres or thereabouts) than the decent straightforward Mormons

David Kingsworthy
David Kingsworthy
1 year ago
Reply to  JR Stoker

I’d think you should worry even more about the Qataris, Freddie’s recent interview with a middle east expert revealed they own an awful lot of old important Britain, surely there’s lots of land in there too.

David Kingsworthy
DK
David Kingsworthy
1 year ago
Reply to  JR Stoker

I’d think you should worry even more about the Qataris, Freddie’s recent interview with a middle east expert revealed they own an awful lot of old important Britain, surely there’s lots of land in there too.

JR Stoker
JR Stoker
1 year ago

7,000 odd acres hardly makes them a major force in the UK economy, or even UK farming.
In any case, I worry a lot more about the weird behaviours and beliefs of the National Trust (500,000 acres or thereabouts) than the decent straightforward Mormons

Rob N
RN
Rob N
1 year ago

I am not a Mormon or even believer in God but what is wrong about “the stickier parts of its history” such as not believing that women can join the priesthood? If that is part of their religion then why would it change? The CoE looks ridiculous for having all these God ordained beliefs that change when society does not accept these beliefs.
Though it is odd how polygamy was once fine but is not now. It, and I don’t care, should either be OK/right or never have been.
CoJCoLDS is about the only organised religion that deserves any respect: its charity work, consistency, self-reliance, hard work etc.

Rob N
Rob N
1 year ago

I am not a Mormon or even believer in God but what is wrong about “the stickier parts of its history” such as not believing that women can join the priesthood? If that is part of their religion then why would it change? The CoE looks ridiculous for having all these God ordained beliefs that change when society does not accept these beliefs.
Though it is odd how polygamy was once fine but is not now. It, and I don’t care, should either be OK/right or never have been.
CoJCoLDS is about the only organised religion that deserves any respect: its charity work, consistency, self-reliance, hard work etc.

Kerie Receveur
AM
Kerie Receveur
1 year ago

The problem I have with the CotLDS is that they’ve slapped a copyright ban on the watching of all the old “Time Team” episodes by those of us living in the UK, of programmes dedicated to our own heritage. It’s a damned cheek.

You can get round it by judicious use of a vpn, and I do, but having sent the Church a tweet asking why they’re doing it, they haven’t even had the courtesy to send me an answer.

Am seriously miffed.

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

By what copyright mechanism are they allowed to do this? It’s a scandal!

Kerie Receveur
Kerie Receveur
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

I’ll update when I find out.

Kerie Receveur
AM
Kerie Receveur
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Murray

I’ll update when I find out.

D Glover
DG
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

I’ve tried googling this, and found only your post. Can you provide a link to any other source of this claim.? I’m intrigued.

Kerie Receveur
Kerie Receveur
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Can you watch full episodes from Season 8, such as Rycote, Salisbury Plain or Lindisfarne (for example, this applies to other seasons), because what I see when I try is “This video contains content from LDS, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.”?

The “LDS” mentioned are the Mormons, as far as I can tell.

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

I’ve just pulled up ‘Time Team Season 8, Episode 4 A Waltham Villa’
It’s playing normally on YouTube. I’m not using a VPN. 

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

I have found references to social media sites being blocked in LDS meeting houses.
You’re not by any chance using the wifi of a Mormon temple, are you?

Kerie Receveur
AM
Kerie Receveur
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Definitely not!!

Kerie Receveur
Kerie Receveur
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Definitely not!!

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

I’ve just pulled up ‘Time Team Season 8, Episode 4 A Waltham Villa’
It’s playing normally on YouTube. I’m not using a VPN. 

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

I have found references to social media sites being blocked in LDS meeting houses.
You’re not by any chance using the wifi of a Mormon temple, are you?

Kerie Receveur
Kerie Receveur
1 year ago
Reply to  D Glover

Can you watch full episodes from Season 8, such as Rycote, Salisbury Plain or Lindisfarne (for example, this applies to other seasons), because what I see when I try is “This video contains content from LDS, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds.”?

The “LDS” mentioned are the Mormons, as far as I can tell.

Al Gobr
AG
Al Gobr
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

I’ve just tried watching Time Team on YouTube without using a VPN and I’ve had no problem whatsoever. Could you oblige us with further details and an example?

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

By what copyright mechanism are they allowed to do this? It’s a scandal!

D Glover
D Glover
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

I’ve tried googling this, and found only your post. Can you provide a link to any other source of this claim.? I’m intrigued.

Al Gobr
Al Gobr
1 year ago
Reply to  Kerie Receveur

I’ve just tried watching Time Team on YouTube without using a VPN and I’ve had no problem whatsoever. Could you oblige us with further details and an example?

Kerie Receveur
Kerie Receveur
1 year ago

The problem I have with the CotLDS is that they’ve slapped a copyright ban on the watching of all the old “Time Team” episodes by those of us living in the UK, of programmes dedicated to our own heritage. It’s a damned cheek.

You can get round it by judicious use of a vpn, and I do, but having sent the Church a tweet asking why they’re doing it, they haven’t even had the courtesy to send me an answer.

Am seriously miffed.

Bob Smalser
BS
Bob Smalser
1 year ago

Sounds nice, but before jumping on non-traditional bandwagons, you might consider our two most prominent Mormons were Senators Mitt Romney and the late Harry Reid, both excellent character studies in lies and betrayal.

Bob Smalser
Bob Smalser
1 year ago

Sounds nice, but before jumping on non-traditional bandwagons, you might consider our two most prominent Mormons were Senators Mitt Romney and the late Harry Reid, both excellent character studies in lies and betrayal.

Cantab Man
Cantab Man
1 year ago

If one wishes to understand mormons’ long-term interest in food production, agriculture and being prepared (beyond the purely religious components), one should look to the past. The following is a good narrative to start with. It’s an historical account of the mormons as they were driven west, written by a curious traveller who fell in with them.

The account was delivered by this individual before the Historical Society of Pennsylvania in 1850.

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/51096/pg51096-images.html

Cantab Man
Cantab Man
1 year ago

If one wishes to understand mormons’ long-term interest in food production, agriculture and being prepared (beyond the purely religious components), one should look to the past. The following is a good narrative to start with. It’s an historical account of the mormons as they were driven west, written by a curious traveller who fell in with them.

The account was delivered by this individual before the Historical Society of Pennsylvania in 1850.

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/51096/pg51096-images.html

S Hunt
SH
S Hunt
1 year ago

For the record, the full name of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, has always been it’s name. We did not rebrand. People outside of the church gave us the nickname Mormons.

Thank you all for your positive comments! I seldom see things like this in other comment sections.

I am a practicing member.

S Hunt
SH
S Hunt
1 year ago

For the record, the full name of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, has always been it’s name. We did not rebrand. People outside of the church gave us the nickname Mormons.

Thank you all for your positive comments! I seldom see things like this in other comment sections.

I am a practicing member.

Simon Fagg
SF
Simon Fagg
1 year ago

This is the first time I’ve read an article from UnHerd. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and I was confused and disappointed with this article.
In an attempt to try to understand the angle that UnHerd/the reporter was taking I reviewed their mission statement.
“UnHerd aims to do two things: to push back against the herd mentality with new and bold thinking, and to provide a platform for otherwise unheard ideas, people and places….
…”We are not aligned with any political party, and the writers and ideas we are interested in come from both left and right traditions. But we instinctively believe that the way forward will be found through a shift of emphasis: towards community not just individualism, towards responsibilities as well as Rights, and towards meaning and virtue over shallow materialism.”
Sadly this critique did not appear new or bold or unheard.
The good news is for future reporting, if you look with genuine curiosity you will find that we have plenty in common towards building communities, balancing responsibility with rights, and finding meaning and valuing virtue. Come and see 🙂

Simon Fagg
SF
Simon Fagg
1 year ago

This is the first time I’ve read an article from UnHerd. I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints and I was confused and disappointed with this article.
In an attempt to try to understand the angle that UnHerd/the reporter was taking I reviewed their mission statement.
“UnHerd aims to do two things: to push back against the herd mentality with new and bold thinking, and to provide a platform for otherwise unheard ideas, people and places….
…”We are not aligned with any political party, and the writers and ideas we are interested in come from both left and right traditions. But we instinctively believe that the way forward will be found through a shift of emphasis: towards community not just individualism, towards responsibilities as well as Rights, and towards meaning and virtue over shallow materialism.”
Sadly this critique did not appear new or bold or unheard.
The good news is for future reporting, if you look with genuine curiosity you will find that we have plenty in common towards building communities, balancing responsibility with rights, and finding meaning and valuing virtue. Come and see 🙂

Steve Elliott
Steve Elliott
1 year ago

Is it true that the Mormons helped to fund the casinos and hotels of Las Vegas? Is that another business activity?

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Elliott
Carlos Danger
Carlos Danger
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Elliott

No, the Mormon church has not funded the casinos or hotels of Las Vegas. It is interesting, though, that Las Vegas was founded by Mormons.

Carlos Danger
CD
Carlos Danger
1 year ago
Reply to  Steve Elliott

No, the Mormon church has not funded the casinos or hotels of Las Vegas. It is interesting, though, that Las Vegas was founded by Mormons.

Steve Elliott
SE
Steve Elliott
1 year ago

Is it true that the Mormons helped to fund the casinos and hotels of Las Vegas? Is that another business activity?

Last edited 1 year ago by Steve Elliott
jules Ritchie
jules Ritchie
1 year ago

And the point of this story is….?

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  jules Ritchie

m… men all satan?

(anagram of the author’s name)

Steve Murray
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  jules Ritchie

m… men all satan?

(anagram of the author’s name)

jules Ritchie
jules Ritchie
1 year ago

And the point of this story is….?

David Lindsay
DL
David Lindsay
1 year ago

It is clear what is really sought by those who seek that fullness of Christianity which includes Priesthood, a high theology of Baptism, a living earthly Teaching Office focused in a person on this earth, an intercessory relationship between those on this side of bodily death and those on the other side of it, and so much else besides.

David Lindsay
David Lindsay
1 year ago

It is clear what is really sought by those who seek that fullness of Christianity which includes Priesthood, a high theology of Baptism, a living earthly Teaching Office focused in a person on this earth, an intercessory relationship between those on this side of bodily death and those on the other side of it, and so much else besides.