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How surrogacy is transforming medicine Normality is being treated as a problem that needs solving

Who does the work of gestation? Credit: CFOTO/Future Publishing/Getty

Who does the work of gestation? Credit: CFOTO/Future Publishing/Getty


October 6, 2022   6 mins

In 1954, Russian scientists successfully grafted the still-living head of a puppy onto an existing adult dog. I recently stumbled on a photo of the resulting horror which I think will haunt me forever. But why is it upsetting?

Those untroubled by bourgeois moral shibboleths would probably explain their instinctive revulsion to a two-headed dog by simply saying “yuck, that’s unnatural”. This is, of course, true, but those who try to stick to elite moral orthodoxy will struggle to make the same point. For today, the idea of “natural” is highly politicised.

This leaves us on the back foot, in responding to the accelerated advance of biomedical technology. Many of the advances it brings take less obviously grotesque forms than a two-headed dog; but even (or especially) where they come dressed as wins for civil rights, the unease is as deep as it is difficult to articulate.

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One such uneasy debate erupted over the weekend, when the Guardian carried a long article about Corey Briskin and Nicholas Maggipinto, two New York men who have filed a class action complaint with the US Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) against the City of New York. They argue that, unlike female colleagues, their health insurance doesn’t cover IVF or surrogacy in the case of infertility, and that this constitutes discrimination. In their view, the fact that both parties are male amounts to “situational infertility”, and as such their healthcare should fund the cost of gestational surrogacy.

Surrogacy is a sensitive topic, especially where it concerns same-sex couples. There are, after all, real living human children in question, and loving parents. To complicate things further, asking questions can easily be read as – or actually tip over into – overt attacks on gay and lesbian people.

But the subject needs to be addressed. For what Briskin and Maggipinto are calling for, in the name of equality, goes much further than fulfilling the longing for a family. It’s a radical transformation of what medicine is, from a discipline that seeks to restore normality, to one that treats normality as a problem to be solved. And when we look closer, this transhumanist shift in fact attacks the conceptual foundations of gay rights themselves.

One reason “that’s unnatural” doesn’t hold much water today as an objection is that “educated” moral consensus views claims of “naturalness” largely as stalking-horses for bigotry. And this isn’t wholly baseless: histories of, for example, racial justice afford plenty of scientific-sounding justifications for why convenient imbalances of power were in fact “natural”.

But does it follow from this that the inverse is true, and, as Simone de Beauvoir claimed in The Second Sex, “Nothing is natural”? In effect, this is the elite consensus. The problem, though, is that some kinds of “natural” are far from socially constructed, arbitrary, or invented by chauvinists to oppress women or minorities.

Humans, like other species, have many consistent physiological features, developmental patterns and behaviours, evolved over millennia. Disciplines such as ethology and phylogenetics study such patterns, and the overall form of an organism is sometimes referred to as its “bioplan”. And humans, just like other organisms, have a bioplan.

We may dispute its outer reaches, but the overall pattern is evident to even little children. Indeed, what “normal” looks like is usually inferred from observation long before (as most parents wincingly discover) toddlers can be taught not to make loud comments about outliers. Nor is it just about what shape we are. Some patterns are developmental, such as puberty, and some, such as sex dimorphism, are fundamental to our continuation as a species. The human bioplan, under normal circumstances, requires a small and a large gamete to make a new human – plus a nine-month gestation period within a living human woman.

Briskin and Maggipinto are asking that something conventional medicine would treat as normal – the fact that they can’t gestate a baby, because both of them are male — be viewed not as a natural limitation but a healthcare issue deserving of treatment.

I don’t want to rehash debates over whether any of us has a “right” to genetic offspring. What concerns me is how the wider field of medical science changes, when you reframe the bioplan itself as a medical problem. In effect, you’re turning medical science inside out, so the human “normal” is no longer a guide to the desired end-state of medicine. Rather, it’s an obstacle to the limitless outworking of human desire.

In its tech-optimist, right-libertarian form, this premise underpins Elon Musk’s experimental Neuralink technology, which Musk says will eventually be like “a FitBit in your skull”. Similarly, it underpins the US Government’s recent decision to funnel $2bn toward biotech research that will be able to “write circuitry for cells and predictably program biology in the same way in which we write software and program computers”.

In its progressive, radical blank-slatist form, overcoming the human (sexed) bioplan is a core premise of transgender rights, as, for example, where advocates talk about children undergoing “the wrong puberty”. And it also underpins social justice arguments for “fertility equality”, in which surrogacy is viewed as a legitimate use of technology to overcome unjust limits imposed by normal human physiology.

What both the tech utopians and the social-justice kind overlook (or choose to ignore) is that viewing the normal human organism as a set of medical challenges comes with a hierarchy of money and power baked in. Cutting-edge experimental medicine comes at a cost — both to its prospective customers, and also sometimes for its test subjects, as with the young person who died of necrotising fasciitis after an experimental surgery to craft him a neovagina out of his own colon.

Specifically in the case of surrogacy, this means rich men and women, such as Briskin and Maggipinto (or indeed Elon Musk’s baby-momma, the singer Grimes) can take advantage of the potential opened up by limitless, transhumanist medicine, to evade their own physiological constraints or simply (as in Grimes’ case) outsource the gruelling and risky aspects of “normal” maternity to someone else. Meanwhile the “work” of gestation, along with its non-trivial risk of invasive surgery, lifelong subsequent complications, or even death, gets outsourced — usually to poorer women, and often under exploitative conditions in developing countries.

These asymmetries aren’t exclusive to same-sex commissioning parents, of course. Surrogacy is always at risk of propagating such abuses, even where the commissioning parents include a woman. But if surrogacy combines commerce and medicine in ways that are fraught with ethical issues and highly vulnerable to exploitation, its transhumanist re-founding structurally presupposes the existence of surrogacy. Within the transhumanist frame, where there’s an all-male couple that longs for genetic children, the “cure” necessitates a fertile uterus – and how women feel about this is largely beside the point.

But surely we just need safeguards so only consenting women are involved? Briskin and Maggipinto draw an analogy from prostitution to make this argument. Against this, though, 50 years of the sexual revolution should have taught us how flimsy a defence “consent” is, against power asymmetries. There’s no shortage of testimony out there from survivors of the sex industry, on the horrors many have endured in the course of ostensibly “consensual” activities. And a glance back over the recent outpouring of MeToo should remind us that where vast disparities in wealth and power exist, “consent” is often a rogues’ charter even outside commercial transactions.

It doesn’t take much thought to extend the MeToo dynamic to fertility “services”. Nor does it take much more to see how it applies to “consensual” commodification of other body parts. Women already sell their eggs to the fertility industry; why shouldn’t we sell a kidney or part of their liver, provided everyone has consented?

If we accept the basic justice of transcending biophysical limits, there are no theoretical boundaries at all on what we can do. We can’t object to the Brazilian surgeon constructing neovaginas for trans women out of fish skin – for we’ve already accepted that “unnatural” is merely a stalking-horse for bigotry. And from here we have very little ground for objecting to “upgrades” that far more radically alter the human “normal”.

You may scoff that this is all just hysteria. Recall, though, that the “slippery slope” argument on euthanasia was once dismissed as hyperbole. And yet based on cases from Belgium and Canada, those arguments weren’t just accurate but not nearly hyperbolic enough.

Surely, though, it’s worth the risk, for the sake of equality and family life in same-sex couples? On the contrary, we should beware transhumanist arguments that seem to be grounded in gay rights. For the abolition of “nature” at the root of this worldview is already coming back to bite those gay men and women who first cheered on the change.

Gay rights is grounded in the claim that same-sex attraction is natural and innate. But if there’s no such thing as “natural”, this justification is abruptly eliminated, leaving gay men and women once again vulnerable to pressure to change their behaviour. And indeed, this is already happening, via trans activism: there, gay and lesbian people are now routinely accused of bigotry if they reject “gay” partners of the opposite sex, while their (natural, normal) same-sex orientation is reclassified as a “genital fetish“.

Most people, gay or straight, who resort to surrogacy do so to satisfy their longing to love and care for a child. We should recognise that this is at root a deeply human desire. But if love is the glue that holds human communities together, it can also drive choices with wider negative impacts. Surrogacy, and particularly surrogacy as a “cure” for normal biological limitations, is such a choice.

It opens the door to a limitless, profit-driven drive to deregulate the human organism — a drive that will, in the last count, mostly benefit Big Biotech. And this pathway only stays in the warm light of love and normalcy for a few steps. After that, we’re into the realm of monsters: mutilated children, human/animal chimeras, gamete and organ harvesting and medical experimentation, to name but a few already-existing examples.

If we continue down this road, gay men and women will end up losing the (only recently acquired) right to be naturally gay. And if this is bad enough, it will come to seem trivial next to the triumph of commercial biomedicine, and the swarm of protean horrors that comes slithering in its wake.


Mary Harrington is a contributing editor at UnHerd.

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David Mayes
DM
David Mayes
1 year ago

Mary Harrington’s schematic natural human bioplan for continuing the species leaves out essential components: the instinctive drive for a man and a women to mate brings the gametes together; the small gamete is made and delivered by men; the woman nourishes the newborn with her breastmilk; the new human is genetically and phenotypically kin to the parents; the man and women typically raise the newborn to become a functioning adult that is then instinctually driven to mate with the opposite sex.
Adding these components, we straight away we see that the bioplan is psycho-social as a well as physiological; that heterosexuality is fundamental to human existence; and that homosexuality is an emergent secondary phenomenon. So, the conservatives were (inadvertently) correct that marriage (as mating institution) between a man and a woman is not equivalent to the marriage between two women or two men.
The negative consequences of surrogacy, donor conceptions absent mothers, absent fathers are becoming known particularly from the children. On the horizon are artificial wombs, artificial embryos, and human cloning.
Before we abandon the natural human reproductive bioplan we need a deeper understanding of its psycho-social and physiological virtues so we can properly weigh up propositions like that put by the two men from New York to decide whether they will lead us to a better or a worse new world.

Penny Adrian
PA
Penny Adrian
1 year ago
Reply to  David Mayes

Because of surrogacy, women can now father children. One woman can literally give birth to another woman’s child.The woman who gives birth is the mother, regardless of whether or not she is genetically related to the human being she creates in her body.
But these women are not being called mothers, they are being called “surrogates”.
That, to me, is the most horrific aspect of surrogacy.
In the case of surrogacy, there are always three parents: two “fathers” and one mother.
That the parent who takes merged gametes and creates a human being from them within her own body, then gives birth to that human being, is being treated like an appliance to be rented out makes me sick to my stomach.
Surrogacy not only creates a child, it creates THREE parents, not two.
This needs to be acknowledged and honored.

Julian Farrows
Julian Farrows
1 year ago
Reply to  Penny Adrian

Not sure why you are being downvoted. I completely agree with you. I’ve never understood wasting resources on surrogacy when there are thousands of children that need adopting.

Jane Tomlinson
JT
Jane Tomlinson
1 year ago
Reply to  Julian Farrows

Absolutely, and it doesn’t involve coercing anyone into any agreement. I’m mostly stunned that children are seen as a prize, a commodity, a thing to boast about. When did a child stop being seen as a precious gift to be loved and protected and guided into their own adulthood? What a sick world we have created.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Jane Tomlinson

Agreed. And it will only get much sicker as time goes on. A “neovagina” made out of fish skin! Really?

Paul Nathanson
Paul Nathanson
1 year ago
Reply to  David Mayes

What you say about the “bioplan” is surely correct and worth stating boldly in this age that trivializes nature. It’s both physiological, as you say, and psycho-social.
But why do you assume that conservatives are “(inadvertently) correct” in opposing gay marriage? That sounds very cynical. After all, opposing gay marriage makes sense to me on rational grounds, and I’m gay. I have no problem with gay relationships and gay civil unions, and I’m hardly alone in that respect among both conservative and gay people, but marriage did not originate to satisfy the psychological needs of adults either gay or straight. Although marriage has several functions, its primary function is to satisfy the physical, psychological, material and other needs of children (and therefore of society as a whole). More specifically, marriage is about providing children with both mothers and fathers–whose functions are by no means identical– whenever possible. Homosexuality really is less important than heterosexuality to society as a whole (which doesn’t entail hostility toward the former). You don’t have to hate or persecute gay people to understand that.

M. Jamieson
M. Jamieson
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

I’ve seen people say things like the comment you mention a few times, assuming for example that traditional views from Christian or just older societies stumbled by luck upon the same conclusion they themselves have from a modern secular, often conservative perspective. It doesn’t seem to occur to them that the older viewpoint might have very much the same reasoning they do. I think partly people get confused about this because the language is used differently, but it’s also because there is a tendency to assume that people in the past simply believed certain things on wholly dogmatic, almost arbitrary grounds.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Paul Nathanson

What you say makes absolute sense. And you get the upticks. I bet if you hadn’t stated you were gay you’d get the red marks.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

Oh, I get them instead.

Hendrik Mentz
Hendrik Mentz
1 year ago

We’re already far down that road psychologically, socially, morally, ethically, legally, philosophically and commercially when it comes to natural immunity.

Jason Highley
Jason Highley
1 year ago

Children are purely a commodity now. Everyone and anyone wants a right to own one or several and to shape those lives into decent, law abiding, unquestioning slaves to the entire globo-corporate apparatus.

Richard Parker
Richard Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason Highley

Agreed: “having” children is the least challenging part of the process – raising them to be inquisitive, brave, resilient, independent, caring, polite (essentially, not whiney a**h**es) – now that’s the bit which requires grit, determination and some self-sacrifice too.

Steve Murray
LL
Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason Highley

Or indeed, to shape them to some other paradigm.

One wonders what the offspring of non-natural surrogacy will make of it, when they reach the teenage-rebellion phase which enables humans to develop into independent adults (independent of parental control, that is).

The desire to have offspring may have nasty shocks in store from ‘ungrateful’ teenagers, especially those with additional potential to question their identity.

Lindsay S
Lindsay S
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason Highley

I think this is a problem for all of society, too many forget that having children is a privilege, not a right!

Christian Moon
Christian Moon
1 year ago
Reply to  Lindsay S

Perhaps it’s neither. It’s a duty.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Christian Moon

Privilege, right, duty. Each one falls short of the mark.

Alan Hawkes
Alan Hawkes
1 year ago
Reply to  Jason Highley

Everyone wants to shape their child into an unquestioning slave? You must live in a very weird community if that’s your experience.

Caroline Watson
CW
Caroline Watson
1 year ago

Surrogacy is the farming of poor women by rich people, usually men. Whether they are gay couples or sugar daddies who don’t want their trophy wives’ bodies to be sullied by pregnancy is irrelevant. The motive is the same; farming women and buying children.
For decades unmarried women were forced to give up their babies for adoption by ‘respectable’ middle class couples. Even when the child was loved and cared for, they knew that they didn’t belong and the many television programmes about searching for lost families show the very tip of that huge iceberg. In many cases, children were abused or brought up by religious nutters and the grief of the mothers, decades later, is still clearly very raw.
Unless it is impossible, because of death, imprisonment, addiction or other serious impediments, children should be brought up by their biological parents, even if they are no longer together. If that is impossible, they should be allowed to know who they are and have contact with other members of their birth family. It is a fundamental human need to understand who you are and where you come from. The rights of the actual or potential children must supersede those of adults every time.

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago

“Surrogacy is the farming of poor women by rich people, usually men.”
I’d be interested to see the evidence for this statement.

In this study from 2019 (in the US) https://pubmed.ncbi.nih.gov/31512272/ involving 131 births involving 90 surrogates, 37.4% were for same-sex male couples and single men.
62% were for heterosexual couples and single women.
Continued contact with the birth mother was reported in 93% of cases.
Interestingly surrogates were significantly more likely to have post-birth contact with the same-sex male couples and single fathers compared to the heterosexual partners and single mothers – 76% v’s 34%.

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Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago

“Surrogacy is the farming of poor women by rich people, usually men.”
Nonsense. It’s the powerful desire of a woman to have a child.

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago

Let’s be clear, the idea that nature and biology used in argument is “bigotry” is very like Critical Race Theory saying that ‘common sense’ is racist and oppressive. These are mad ideas but that is “the moral consensus” we are living with.

Sexism and racism are Marxist constructions, they divide humanity up ruthlessly into Them and Us, one group to suffer, the other group to oppress. It is tragic how successful it has been, even the Church of England has succumbed to it, not all of them I hope.

In Law, instead of approaching human problems and disagreements on a case by case basis – how English Common Law developed and spread around the world because it worked so well – the West is now trying to enforce a moral code, which it has no business so to do.

Nevertheless I think the law is one answer, it’ll be win some lose some, but the balance will be in favour of common sense, because that’s what makes us flourish as a species.

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Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Claire D

I agree with you, but what constitutes common sense when everything is relative, including truth? We seem to be moving into an era where hardly anyone shares a common understanding of anything.

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago
Reply to  Warren Trees

I’m strongly averse to moral relativism but I know what you mean.
That’s the problem with philosophy I think, it can tie people up in knots. The only thing to do imo is to break things down as simply as I can.
For example, the problem with surrogacy, as a business transaction, is that it exemplifies aetheistic modern liberalism’s quest to enable people to be whatever they want to be, and to acquire whatever product they desire and can afford to pay for. In this case, a baby.

Whereas if we emphasise “what is natural” as much as possible (within reason), that assumes a divine intelligence is at work in creation of the natural world, and wants us to flourish within it, as part of it. And so we co-operate.

Perhaps we are at a parting of the ways. Some will choose a more natural way of life and continue to use their common sense; others will choose a more artificial, experimental, urban, existence.
Both have downsides but I know where I’m happiest.
That’s how it seems to me anyway.

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Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Claire D

“the problem with surrogacy, as a business transaction, is that it exemplifies aetheistic modern liberalism’s quest to enable people to be whatever they want”
It’s not necessarily a business transaction. Is that what you think pregnancy is to those who fall pregnant naturally, just an effort to be whatever they want?
“Whereas if we emphasise “what is natural” as much as possible (within reason), that assumes a divine intelligence is at work “
I don’t assume “natural” assumes a divine intelligence. Nor do many others. You’re suggesting that common sense is the work of God.

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Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

Some surrogacy is a private arrangement between individuals where no money is involved, I know of two cases: one where a woman carried her sister’s child for her and another between friends. In my comment I wanted to make clear that I was talking about the more worrying kind, where money is exchanged, that the article is talking about and we are commenting on here, ie, surrogacy as a “business transaction”.

Fair enough on your point that you and others don’t assume a divine intelligence is at work on Nature. I should have put “perhaps” in there somewhere.

I am suggesting human beings, as part of nature, are the work of God, yes, and part of being human is our capacity for, or lack of, common sense. I accept that others may be atheists and therefore you can take it or leave it, as you wish.

Morals are a mystery but they appear to be universal and there is evidence of them stretching back in time and across cultures, https://ox.ac.uk/news/2019-02-11-seven-moral-rules-found-all-around-world . Therefore I conclude (again you can take it or leave it) that God has given us the capacity to be moral.

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Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Claire D

Actually, I’m not disputing your comment on divine intelligence and nature. I think I was trying to make the point, maybe clumsily, that common sense, or reason, can also be applied without necessarily relying on divine intelligence. But you, no doubt, will see the two as one and the same. I think I was trying to suggest that our common sense is a common experience and good enough to act on and make decisions that the left insist we cannot do because it is all relative. I don’t believe common sense is relative.

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

I agree.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Claire D

“the West is now trying to enforce a moral code, which it has no business so to do.”
What do you mean by this? What moral code are you talking about?

Claire D
Claire D
1 year ago
Reply to  Brett H

I am talking about the Hate Crime laws, Equality Act 2010, and the Special Obligations legislation which followed it, here in the UK specifically. I am also referring to the European Court of Human Rights.

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Claire D

Okay, I understand your position there and also agree with you.

Frank McCusker
Frank McCusker
1 year ago

Good article. Their self-indulgent class action complaint should be thrown out as a vexatious waste of commission time, and a punitive costs order made against those 2 navel-gazing idiots.

Jonathan Patrick
Jonathan Patrick
1 year ago

I think it was Chesterton who wrote that “when people cease to believe in God, they don’t believe in nothing, they believe in anything”. If ethics is not rooted in something immutable (such as the character of an unchanging deity) then it is necessarily open to challenge and to the grand “sez who”. Put another way, ethics only makes sense if there is a telos to human flourishing. Appeals to “what is natural” assume that telos. How can one argue as to the right way to live for something that is the accidental by-product of random physical events?

Richard Pearse
Richard Pearse
1 year ago

Exactly! (When in doubt about moral issue, ask “What would Aristotle say?”:). The fancy word “Bioplan” is nothing but Telos – as you say, the Telos of humans Humans is to flourish as Humans (eudaimonia), NOT functioning as receptacles of raw materials or spare parts. This implied all over Mary’s (another, excellent) article:

“What concerns me is how the wider field of medical science changes, when you reframe the bioplan itself as a medical problem. In effect, you’re turning medical science inside out, so the human “normal” is no longer a guide to the desired end-state of medicine. Rather, it’s an obstacle to the limitless outworking of human desire.“

Desired end-state is Telos, and the Telos of Medicine is “normal” health as is consistent with Human Beings flourishing as Human Beings ie, as individuals within Households with a Polis.

Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago

Indeed! No truer words have ever been uttered. When anything is allowed to go, then anything, and I mean anything will go.

Duane M
DM
Duane M
1 year ago

Excellent essay. What is natural? Does human behavior have a natural form and if so, what is that form? Such questions are deep and go back to the historical roots of modern humans; these questions arose once humans first felt separate from nature and have been with us ever since.
The Postmodern Turn attempted to reverse the tables, questioning whether any human behavior has natural roots. The attempt was to place the onus of the argument onto Nature. But Nature, Sphinx-like, declines to reply. Or it replies in its own language, which most humans find inscrutable. The Postmoderns declare victory by the appearance of default. And the Postmodern view now dominates western intellectual discussion.
Meanwhile the material domination by humans over the planet has increased exponentially through the ages, from fire to weapons (for hunting or for war), to metallurgy, steam, electricity, and electronics, and on to computers and artificial intelligence. And, of course, from herbal remedies to modern high-tech medicine. The human body is on the verge of conquest by scientific technology. In the name of better health, of course.
What is natural? Nature and the natural, real as they are, are stubbornly immaterial and intangible. Like love, spirit, joy, grief, hope, or sorrow. Whereas matter, heat, sound, light, taste, scent, and touch are all measureable and material; they are all tangible.
In our age of Materialism, we suffer the Tyranny of the Tangible. And when materialism is wedded to market valuation (not to mention capitalism), then everything tangible is subject to commodification. While everything intangible is, by inference, without value.
And, in the absence of any overarching natural perspective (or human nature), it must also be the fate of humans to become another commodity. To be molded and traded, bought and sold.
But I still believe it is the Little Prince who was correct: “And now here is my secret, a very simple secret: It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye.”

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Warren Trees
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  Duane M

Wonderfully said.

Daiva Brr
DB
Daiva Brr
1 year ago
Reply to  Duane M

What is natural?

Looks like much confusion stems from two distinct meanings of the word ‘natural’: occurring in nature vs in alignment with the natural order of things aka bioplan in Mary’s telling. Words are tricky, and some are more conducive to being weaponised than others.

we suffer the Tyranny of the Tangible

It’s called an illegible margin, the gap between what can be measured and what matters. What we can count doesn’t count 😉

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Ian Stewart
Ian Stewart
1 year ago

“Meanwhile the work of gestation, along with its non-trivial risk of invasive surgery, lifelong subsequent complications, or even death, gets outsourced — usually to poorer women”
Extending the argument in this article further (and I expect sci-fi has probably covered this), at some point gestation will be accommodated in some artificial organic box – “buy two for the price of one and you get twins!”
It’ll certainly change the abortion debate with regard to women claiming “my body, my rights”.

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Richard Parker
RP
Richard Parker
1 year ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

I think John Cleese nailed this in “The Life of Brian” – “Where’s the fetus going to gestate? You going to keep it in a box?”
43 years on and we’re almost considering the idea.

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M. Jamieson
M. Jamieson
1 year ago
Reply to  Ian Stewart

I always think of ghola tanks. So not so very artificial, perhaps.

Lana Hunneyball
LH
Lana Hunneyball
1 year ago

We can’t be trusted with our own brilliance. It’s never been anything but predation of bottom feeders by top feeders with just enough kindness for adaptive success, but for a moment there, we thought we could be good for its own sake. I’ll hold onto my optimism on principle, but God help us.

Sophie Duggan
Sophie Duggan
1 year ago

The quick slide into dystopia is credible enough. Corporatised breeding is coming, and it’s not going to be pretty. Robust limits on the aims of medical intervention in general, as Mary Harrington so clearly shows, are clearly in the interest of a humane society.
As a medic by training however, I’m not sure that the concept of “normality” gives a weighty enough anchor here. Looked at close up, it’s hard to draw a boundary around what a “normal” body should be. Not many people have perfectly regular teeth without orthodontics, but the practice is widespread and pretty harmless. Conversely: it is normal, in some ethnic groups, to carry a payload of genetic disease – in fact, in the case of sickle cell disease, the disease grants a certain amount of protection against malaria. Should we forbid intervention to prevent it?
And if we allow medical tech to fix life-destroying genetic conditions, how about fixing other ones, such as polycystic ovary disease? It’s unlikely (directly) to kill a woman, but plenty of sufferers would attest to the misery that it causes, even though it is widespread enough, especially in its milder forms, to count as “normal”.
Even by this logic of course, the couple in the news are making a flawed claim. Unless they are actually infertile, they could easily father children by sperm donation. If they were straight, they would not be candidates for surrogacy – thus, there is no discrimination.
Where to draw the line however in cases where medical intervention could relieve suffering, subjectively defined, is far from clear. Religious safeguards are long gone; in their place, scant consensus remains. That booming sound is the noise that Big Tech makes as it marches forward, over hollowed-out ethics. Mind how you go.

Matt Sylvestre
Matt Sylvestre
1 year ago

Interesting larger points but I am confused by Harrington’s position on consent and power dynamics…
I would have thought she was in the camp of adults having agency and being responsible for their own choices ??? Perhaps I missed something…

j morgan
JM
j morgan
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Sylvestre

I think Mary’s position in pretty much everything she writes is modern humans act as if they have agency over and can dictate terms to material reality and the natural world via their choices. But what we can see all around us (if we choose to look) are the unintended, often grotesque, consequences of people acting in accordance with such an outlook. In short, limits exist! And it’s saner to act as if they do.

Last edited 1 year ago by j morgan
M. Jamieson
M. Jamieson
1 year ago
Reply to  Matt Sylvestre

A good place to start is to think about why we don’t allow certain things, even by consent. Selling organs, selling yourself into slavery, allowing someone to kill you for money, are examples.
One reason is that we see these things as fundamentally opposed to human dignity, but the other is that we recognize that the conditions for really free consent are not always present, and some situations involve people whose ability to consent is very impaired (they are starving, say, or addicted,) and the consequences of the act are so significant that it isn’t good enough to have that kind of impaired consent.
In the case of surrogacy you typically have people without much power, and who are poor, being offererd very large amounts of money to do something that is psychologically and physically very dangerous.

Warren Trees
WT
Warren Trees
1 year ago
Reply to  M. Jamieson

In a world completely without boundaries, those things might become common transactions some day. God help us.

Punksta .
Punksta .
1 year ago

 where vast disparities in wealth and power exist, “consent” is often a rogues’ charter even outside commercial transactions.

Re power : Yes. Re wealth : totalitarian tripe.

Punksta .
Punksta .
1 year ago

The only injustice in matters such as men being made able to gestate, is if the costs are shifted to others (via socialised medicine).

Brett H
Brett H
1 year ago
Reply to  Punksta .

So the only problem is economics?