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Amber Heard’s toxic femininity For men's rights activists, she's the embodiment of women who lie

Red-pilled men claim women only cry to manipulate them. Credit: BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/POOL/AFP via Getty Images

Red-pilled men claim women only cry to manipulate them. Credit: BRENDAN SMIALOWSKI/POOL/AFP via Getty Images


May 19, 2022   5 mins


The Men’s Rights Movement was born to weigh in on cases like Johnny Depp’s. The movement gained prominence during the Seventies and Eighties in response to what some men saw as preferential treatment of women in family court cases, especially where custody arrangements, alimony, and divorce settlements were concerned. As the historic injustices faced by women gained more attention in the media, legal system, and politics, these men organised to cry, What About Us?

It’s true that men are more likely to let abuse and stalking continue longer than women before they seek intervention by the police, and anecdotally the reasons they give are fear of being seen as unmanly or fear of not being taken seriously. (Although, of course, of course, victims of interpersonal violence of any gender have long been frustrated by their attempts to seek justice or assistance.) And it’s also true that men are less likely to be acknowledged as the victims of violence in interpersonal relationships, heterosexual or otherwise.

But the new Men’s Rights Activist, the online version, goes beyond pointing out these troubling structural realities, which stem from all sorts of societal stereotypes about men’s strength, physical and emotional. Instead, he points the finger of blame — publicly doubting accusations against prominent men while escalating every perceived harm done by a woman.

And so, of course, Johnny Depp has become a hero in the eyes of the MRAs. One of the biggest priorities for the movement is to prove that women make false accusations of rape and abuse against men, and that making such an accusation is a way of getting attention, fame, and protection. Depp’s decision to sue ex-wife Amber Heard and the newspaper The Sun for their claims that he abused her has given a platform to their crusade. Many see him as serving this larger cause, proving not only that men can be victims of domestic violence, but also that women make false accusations.

Amber Heard, in their eyes, is a “witch”. Turning the language of online feminism on its head, the MRAs accuse her of “toxic femininity”. Just as the phrase “toxic masculinity” was created to explain how traditionally gendered behaviour by men — aggressiveness, callousness, sexual transgressions — were actually harmful rather than something that should be nurtured and rewarded, “toxic femininity” suggests that traditionally female sins — playing the victim, lying, crying to manipulate — have been tolerated for too long. Amber Heard, sobbing on the witness stand, represents the red-pilled man’s most cynical fantasies of womanhood.

The first generation of the Men’s Rights Movement grew out of men feeling demonised by feminists, and the same is perhaps true here. In recent years, the discourse around toxic masculinity has been intense — and often pretty meaningless. Depp’s case has become a rallying cry for all the presumed men “suffering” this discourse — the men whose strength, assertiveness, and sexual prowess was now deemed problematic, the Depp trial has been a platform for aggrieved men to hold forth on “toxic femininity”.

The social media edition of the gender wars depends on gross generalisations. On Twitter, hashtags like #MenAreTrash go viral for any variation of betrayal and violation — from rape to not texting back to taking up too much space in public. MRAs have responded by co-opting and reversing the accusations — not only has toxic masculinity become toxic femininity, #MeToo has become #MenToo.

And sometimes this raw display of heteropessimism intersects with celebrity breakups, especially when “toxic femininity” is on display. This is the result of a parasocial “stan” culture, in which the traditional one-sided relationship people have always had with the powerful or the famous gets twisted into a fantastical attachment, where a celebrity becomes both an imaginary friend and a stand-in for their fan’s own identity. The idea is that, if good things happen to this person, those good things are or could possibly happen to me; if this person is vindicated I, too, will be vindicated; and if bad things happen, like a romantic break-up or some other problem, this is proof that my life will suffer similar indignities. Certain figures — Beyonce, Taylor Swift, Elizabeth Warren — have become notorious for their online fanbases, who will harass their exes and their critics on their behalf.

Johnny Depp, meanwhile, has become a stand-in for every man who gaslighted, rejected, or abused; Amber Heard a representation of every woman who has feigned hurt, made false accusations of abuse, or lied and cheated, whether real or imagined. This isn’t Depp against Heard; it is man against woman.

And it’s worth noting that the case taking up so much media and online attention is not about what Johnny and Amber have actually done to each other, it’s about the stories they’ve told. It is not a criminal trial meant to adjudicate the abuse accusations made by both Depp and Heard against each other over the years. It’s a defamation trial centred around a personal essay Heard published in the Washington Post about abuse she suffered at the hands of an unnamed romantic partner.

That essay landed at the height of the MeToo movement, as accusations against figures such as Harvey Weinstein, Bill Cosby, Brett Kavanaugh and Louis C.K. saw powerful men being sent to trial, investigated in the press, or fired from work. The rhetoric at the time was that it was important to “Believe Women” when they accused men of abuse. Heard got a lot of media attention — which was exactly what she wanted: she’d been asked to write the essay by ACLU to promote the cause of domestic violence, and she in return asked that the essay be published in time to promote her film, Aquaman. What benefited her career harmed his: despite not naming Depp directly in the initial essay, it was widely assumed to be about him, and Depp was, like many men accused of abuse against women, suddenly dropped from projects, most notably the next in the Pirates of the Caribbean series and the Fantastic Beasts series.

This is, I suppose, what some men would call “toxic femininity”. It is an inconvenient reality that famous women can sometimes monetise their personal stories of abuse and survival. Many feminist activists have tried to deny or downplay the professional advantages of victimhood, for fear that misogynists and abusers will use it to downplay accusations. But those denials can often have the opposite effect, creating a backlash effect.

Even as some of Heard’s accusations began to fall apart, many online feminists supported her side of the story and used her essay as a jumping-off point to either talk about the abuse they themselves had suffered or to draw attention to the serious harm done to women in romantic relationships every year. If Heard was seen to be lying or exaggerating, it would be “bad for women,” as if one false accusation by a celebrity calls all accusations women make against their male partners into questions.

Everyone, in short, is making this case about themselves, and ignoring the obvious fact that these two individuals have obviously both done terrible things to each other. We are, of course, more used to seeing these individuals on our screens as characters, rather than real humans. People are watching the Depp/Heard trial like a film; they’re there to be entertained. And in television shows — including documentaries — victims are predominantly shown as being passive and naïve like in so many Lifetime movies, or sexually stimulated by the violence as in Big Little Lies, or as meek women who are pushed into warrior mode with a need for vengeance like in The Burning Bed and the very many rape revenge horror films. There are many ways to control, dominate, intimidate, and violate in romantic relationships, and it’s often more complicated and messy than your average television show is willing to depict.

On social media, too, one person has to be a clear victim and the other a clear aggressor. But the legal system is ill-equipped to deal with this. It aims to prove one person guilty and the other innocent. Perhaps that binary is inevitable in any public forum. But activists serious about addressing the problem of domestic violence should resist it, not fuel it.

When an anonymous account only takes an extreme position — “all women are deceitful liars” or “most rape accusations are made by women who consented but then experienced regret”, it’s tempting to swing to the other extreme: “actually, women are perfect angels who would never lie”. But while propaganda might be useful in radicalising the people who already support you, it will do nothing to convert your enemies. Trying to turn Amber Heard into a role model will only come back to bite feminists.


Jessa Crispin is the author of three books, most recently Why I Am Not A Feminist: A Feminist Manifesto. 

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Martin Bollis
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Martin Bollis
1 year ago

This article is a testament to the degree to which identity politics has won.

50 years ago this story would’ve been about the bizarre behaviour of celebrities. The “otherness” would’ve been the celebrity lifestyle.

Now it is framed as a men versus women issue. The entire thrust of this article could be summarised as “in this particular instance our girl doesn’t look too good, so abandon her before the rest of the team gets tainted.”

This framing of everything into a “pick your side” binary is often a problem, particularly for men, in these comments.

How does one deplore everything about intersectional fourth wave feminism, while being entirely supportive of the objectives of what was once the women’s liberation movement, and acknowledging that the human race is flawed, women no less than men?

Andrew Fisher
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Andrew Fisher
1 year ago
Reply to  Martin Bollis

I’m not sure the author is ADVOCATING that it is all about men versus women. Traditional feminism did not naïvely suggest that all women are perfect, but was concerned with removing the very real legal and structural barriers against women, those created by the abuse of men’s greater physical power, and abortion ‘rights’.

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew Fisher
Lesley van Reenen
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Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

I don’t know anyone who thinks that Amber Heard isn’t guilty. A quick tour around many sites on social media will tell the author that this isn’t just being touted by men’s rights activists and the support for Heard is thin on the ground.

Lesley van Reenen
LV
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

In fact she is seen as an abuser, a user (in many senses), a liar, a dangerous manipulator – we are indeed witnessing what she described herself as (though she was trying to make a joke) : trailer park. As for the leavings in the bed…… her jokes aren’t funny.

Snomonkey
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Snomonkey
1 year ago

I think the problem Heard has is that the only actual evidence she can provide for Depp’s abuse is alcohol and drugs. He abused them a lot. No actual evidence he abused her. Him on the other hand….
Clearly they were a toxic couple and not role models for a healthy relationship.

James C.
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James C.
1 year ago
Reply to  Snomonkey

This is on point, anything that Heard’s council brought to trial was either hearsay, speculation, or her witnesses were debunked. Even now Heard is trying to say that letters she wrote years earlier are proof of abuse even though its still classified as hearsay in a court of law. This isnt surprising though from a woman who does not understand the difference between “pledge” and “donated”.

Mirax Path
MP
Mirax Path
1 year ago

Yes, it is mainly women online who are the most vitriolic of Heard. Some are fans of Depp but not all. Only the diehard feminists remain in her corner.

harry storm
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harry storm
1 year ago
Reply to  Mirax Path

I’m no diehard feminista but I have little doubt he abused her. He comes across as an entitled a-hole.

Lori Wagner
LW
Lori Wagner
1 year ago
Reply to  harry storm

Why would him being an entitled ahole mean he abused her? Should be about evidence.

Mirax Path
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Mirax Path
1 year ago
Reply to  harry storm

Am no Depp fan and think he is a pretentious a-hole. Believe the abuse was mutual.

hayden eastwood
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hayden eastwood
1 year ago

The feminist lobby who consistently shout, “believe [ALL] women [ALL OF THE TIME]!” want to bypass legal process and have accusation alone be proof of guilt.
Intriguingly, many in this group now appear to be calling for Amber Heard’s blood in a far more vocal way than most men are.
It’s a reminder that many in this lobby are quite mad – they want a world where punishment is meted out according to their personal whims, and by no other means. In one moment they want their chosen people to be listened to without requirement for evidence, and in other cases they want punishment (for Amber Heard) before the trial has been completed.
It’s also a reminder that the biggest risk women face is not usually aggression from men, but aggression from other women. Men are more prone to expressing aggression with violence, but women are more prone to expressing aggression through destroying your reputation, or maneuvering society against you.

Last edited 1 year ago by hayden eastwood
Lesley van Reenen
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Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

Actually there is very good reason why this lobby are vociferous. They are concerned that Heard is damaging the case for the huge group of women who are genuinely abused.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
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Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

Or that they are concerned that most of the accusers are not that different form Heard.

Lesley van Reenen
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Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

What rubbish. Anyway you got 5 likes from some of your ilk.

Jonathan Andrews
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Jonathan Andrews
1 year ago

I wonder why you say most? How the hell can you know?
All these domestic tragedies happen behind closed doors, it’s largely “he said she said”.

When women like Julie Bindel talk about “male violence “, I get very upset, I didn’t do. Let’s not do the same thing, some women behave in a cruel, manipulative way. Not many I expect, like relatively few men are violent thugs. Most people like a quiet life and to get on with those around them.

Lesley van Reenen
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Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

I suddenly came across this. You are almost incoherent at the beginning of your post, so sorry that I cannot follow….

David Smith
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David Smith
1 year ago

Your responses show an unwillingness to back up your claim that there is a “huge group of women who are genuinely abused” so you go after the commenters who challenge you.
After working many years in ER Departments as a physician I have seen abused women, abused men and unfortunately a fair number of women with behaviour similar to Amber Heard.

Julian Pellatt
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Julian Pellatt
1 year ago

Venomous anti-male rhetoric has mushroomed in recent years. I remember walking through a university premises several years ago and being horrified at the plethora of notices advertising lectures, seminars, workshops and sessions, on the subject of ‘toxic masculinity’. Not only this, but the students’ work incorporated the ‘toxic masculinity’ angle and other woke propaganda they’d been fed by predominantly female teaching staff.
The normalisation of such virulent ideas and hateful philosophies is reflected in every facet of our divisive woke world, such as black lives matter, trans perspectives, the accepted racism of white supremacism, etc. We are in the midst of a horrifying disintegration into an era of darkness that may be unparalleled in human history.

William Shaw
William Shaw
1 year ago

Amber Herd is a perfect example of toxic femininity — playing the victim, lying, crying to manipulate, abuser.
Women made everything they don’t like a men versus women issue. They created the hash tags (BelieveAllWomen) and wrote books (I Hate Men, The End of Men, etc). Now men are starting to take notice. Be careful when you create a weapon. It can be used against you.

Last edited 1 year ago by William Shaw
Matt Hindman
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Matt Hindman
1 year ago

Oh I’m sorry. What did the Me Too movement expect when they chose to become a hack political movement with slack standards over a serious social movement against serial sexual predators? Bonus points for “feminists” calling everyone who warned you where this would lead a sexist rape apologist (even if they were not a man).

Last edited 1 year ago by Matt Hindman
Max Price
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Max Price
1 year ago

It’s the pitiful victim culture we are in. Everyone is at it.

Last edited 1 year ago by Max Price
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
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Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

“In response to what some men saw as preferential treatment of women in family court cases, especially where custody arrangements, alimony, and divorce settlements were concerned.”
This statement sets the tone for the article. No one can seriously suggest that this is not objectively true

Benedict Waterson
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Benedict Waterson
1 year ago

Most of the online hatred I’ve seen directed at Amber Heard is from women. The fact that women can be involved in fairly vicious rivalrous social relationships with one another is not really covered by the current fashionable identinarian prog feminist idea that women are all ‘sisters’ (comrades) in some imaginary harmonious political collective

Snomonkey Monkeypants
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Snomonkey Monkeypants
1 year ago

Because it’s women like Heard who give the rest of us a bad name?!? Especially when she is being held up as representative of my gender! Not sure if Hollywood has anybody I’d pick for that role!
Should we be criticising women for wanting more evidence provided than simply “I’m a woman therefore I should be believed”. What’s the point of a trial if a person’s word carries more weight than evidence? And how blind is justice if the contents of your pants is considered relevant to your ability to tell the truth.

Lesley van Reenen
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Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

That is untrue. Women are not all sisters and most women are capable of some discernment.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
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Ethniciodo Rodenydo
1 year ago

Not when it comes to men

Lesley van Reenen
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Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

Your comments are so ludicrous and careless that you must be baiting.

serena lockhart
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serena lockhart
1 year ago

not all

David Smith
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David Smith
1 year ago

This article needs a decent editor. I couldn’t decide what the author was actually trying to say. Each time she seemed to make a point she countered it in the next paragraph. She also seemed to caricature various positions rather than give any nuanced understanding.
Please decide your position and attempt to support it.

Adrian Maxwell
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Adrian Maxwell
1 year ago

A small point, I dont think Amber Heard is ‘sobbing on the witness stand’. She is pulling faces, employing tonal changes and appearing distraught. None of this involves the tear ducts. Ive never seen a victim of DV (female or male) act like this. 

David McDowell
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David McDowell
1 year ago

It’s ‘toxic feminism’ not ‘toxic femininity’.

John Ronning
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John Ronning
1 year ago

What a different world it would be if we followed the simple requirement of the law of Moses that any accusation must be backed up by witnesses to be admissible, and that it is guilt, not innocence, that must be proven.

Jim R
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Jim R
1 year ago

Clearly an outlet called “UnHerd” is biased in this dispute. I wonder what “UnDepp” has to say?

Snomonkey Monkeypants
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Snomonkey Monkeypants
1 year ago

There are a few news articles that headline “why we must believe Amber” and “we shouldn’t use mental health in a abuse cases” and I’m not convinced by any of them. It’s time we start accepting that there are women who abuse and lie about it, just as there are men. Many of them probably have mental health problems and need help, not an excuse. I seem to recall people excusing Caroline Flacks abuse because “mental health problems” and now just avoid the subject altogether to focus on her being a “victim of suicide”, yet both the abuse she inflicted and her death were her choice.
Erin Prizzy has always stated that violence isn’t gendered, its simply violence and in her experience of running refuges, much abuse in DV cases is mutual.

AC Harper
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AC Harper
1 year ago

I don’t know where the truth lies in this, but my rule of thumb is that there are fewer male victims than the mens’ activists would assert, but also fewer female victims than the feminists would assert. Plus a whole lot of people in the middle who share their victimhood in complex ways.

Slopmop McTeash
SM
Slopmop McTeash
1 year ago

I watched a bit of the trial on Youtube the other day. Amber Heard is a pathalogical liar and something of a sociopath. It is both absolutely hilarious and worrying at the same time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cY1WbMSXdtA

Last edited 1 year ago by Slopmop McTeash
ARNAUD ALMARIC
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ARNAUD ALMARIC
1 year ago

Does anyone in their right mind give a tinker’s cuss about this cretin?

Philip K
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Philip K
1 year ago
Reply to  ARNAUD ALMARIC

Who – Depp or Heard?

ARNAUD ALMARIC
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ARNAUD ALMARIC
1 year ago
Reply to  Philip K

Now that you mention it, both.

Ian Burns
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Ian Burns
1 year ago

We are observing the presumption of innocence being protected. Nothing else. Don’t over think it. It was the only defence Depp had, all the analysis is irrelevant. He can do it, because he is a celebrity, and thank god he is.

Lesley van Reenen
LV
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago

Depp sued The Sun. This case is different in that he is suing her. He must feel he has everything to gain and nothing more to lose and I think he is entitled to do what he wants to do. He has never had accusations of violence against women before in his long life, yet Heard has in her short life.

Jonathan Nash
JN
Jonathan Nash
1 year ago

Of course he is entitled to do whatever he wants, but the cases are very similar: the fact that the English case involved the publisher rather than Heard herself is a distinction without a difference.

Lesley van Reenen
LV
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Jonathan Nash

Actually legally there is a difference.

Andrew D
AD
Andrew D
1 year ago

The author seems to be saying this case is about men vs women (as opposed to two Hollywood narcissists airing their – literally – dirty laundry). But if one accepts that dubious premiss, why does she refer to ‘victims of interpersonal violence of any gender‘?

Last edited 1 year ago by Andrew D
Savelij Balalajkin
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Savelij Balalajkin
1 year ago

The multi-million Duluth industry around the globe is in danger! All this profitable venture, employing hundreds of feminists hinges on presupposition that female is
1) always a victim
2) never lies
3) the perpetrator is a patriarchal man trying to keep its outdated power over women using violence

Victoria Cooper
VC
Victoria Cooper
1 year ago

It is not beyond understanding that historically men have had great physical advantage over women and on occasion have used it. No surprise that women developed a more passive form of defence that could equally be used as a form of attack. Both sexes’ powers can be used as abuse, we all know that. So what is there to (long-windedly) write about?

ralph bell
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ralph bell
1 year ago

Well balanced and illuminating article. Let’s hope the case marks a turning point in bringing people back to their senses.

MJ Reid
MR
MJ Reid
1 year ago

Why is it that demi ism has to take the hit when individual women turn out to be “at it”? Feminism has done so much good for both men and women and continues to do so. Maybe it is time to stop this culture of blame. To think about what can be changed and why it must change. Look at who survives abuse and how it is talked about. We know women abuse men and other women. It might be a small percentage – about 10% of all reported abuse, including sexual and paedophilia, is caused by wonen, but it needs to be called out for what it is, in the same way men’s abuse is..
But it is not the fault of feminists any more than it is the fault of men’s rights activists that talking about abuse has become so toxic. It is the fault of people not actually thinking about what they are saying, but simply reacting. Let’s all think more and react less.

Edwin Blake
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Edwin Blake
1 year ago
Reply to  MJ Reid

What good has feminism done for men? It is a chauvinistic movement aimed at correcting past wrongs and like all such movements it overshoots once those aims have been achieved.
Consider the lack of attention given to the underperformance of men in higher education or boys at school, to name a couple of issues of concern to me. If it truly was a men’s movement as well, it would have pivoted strategies when these trends became apparent years ago.

Dermot O'Sullivan
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Dermot O'Sullivan
1 year ago
Reply to  Edwin Blake

Or, even more worrying, the high suicide rates in young men.

Lesley van Reenen
LV
Lesley van Reenen
1 year ago
Reply to  Edwin Blake

So Edwin, do you think a woman should have a vote and a career and independent finances? I know plenty of men who celebrate that their women bring more to relationships and businesses than was the case through the ages.

harry storm
HS
harry storm
1 year ago

I guess you missed the “correcting past wrongs” part.

serena lockhart
SL
serena lockhart
1 year ago
Reply to  harry storm

so working moms are bad?

Steve Murray
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Steve Murray
1 year ago
Reply to  Edwin Blake

Any change in society which results in women becoming more engaged with that society as a whole, and greater agency to act independently within it, can only be a positive for men. Only men who’re frightened of women would think otherwise; exhibit no.1 – the Taliban.
Why a positive for men? Because the deployment of the talents of half its citizens for the greater good results in economic and social advancements, thus benefiting all – including children, who see successful female role models.

Adrian Maxwell
AM
Adrian Maxwell
1 year ago
Reply to  MJ Reid

As a commentator has pointed out, it is difficult to discern exactly the author’s position. In any event I dont see the Depp v Heard civil trial as a binary gender issue, despite the exciting temptation to shoehorn it into one of the modern world’s running sores. The trial and the broadcasting of it, is a fascinating post modern event for many complex reasons – form, content, context and, not least the vast question of wether litigation of any shape should ever risk being entertainment. My approach is to weigh the evidence, the sole issue being wether the allegation in Amber Heard’s op ed was true, it is accepted by both sides it was about Johnny Depp. That both parties lead a drink and drugs, jet setting, ‘celebrity’ (whatever that means) lifestyle is incidental prurience. There is one very simple issue at stake here.

James C.
JC
James C.
1 year ago
Reply to  MJ Reid

The problem in my opinion is the silence by feminists with large platforms. For instance, i like Emma Watson the person. I think she is a geninue individual who inheritantly wants to do good. Back in 2014 she created the He For She campaign with the objective to bring men and women closer and to rid the stereotype of “man-hating” etc.
The problem is, over the last few years whenever a man is innocent or in this case Depp is actually the victim a lot of feminists with these platforms whether in Hollywood or journalists, media, etc they are remaining either quiet or the use their plaftorms to spin the narrative to fit the agenda they want in that men simply cannot be victims.
Granted, there are feminists without these big platforms speaking out (maybe such as yourself) and there have been a slew of female domestic abuse survivors who have spoken up on behalf of Depp. But, then the feminists in the mainstream are calling these same women liars and only bowing down to the patriarchy.
So on one had feminists say that all women should have a voice but then when women give their voices and it doesnt jive with their views then all of a sudden these women are liars whether they are self proclaimed feminists or not. Im not sure exactly where Jessa falls on this topic as her article is kind of all over the place but right now the general public seems pretty angry that there are feminists on large platforms still proclaiming Amber’s innocence when in fact the evidence proved otherwise.
I suppose when feminist on these large platforms start to accept that men can be victims than the rest of us will be a little more forgiving. As much as i like Watson her being silent on something like this speaks more volumn than anything she has said in the last decade regarding equality.

Dermot O'Sullivan
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Dermot O'Sullivan
1 year ago

Are you trying to promote a ‘cancel’ culture in Unherd?

Jonathan Nash
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Jonathan Nash
1 year ago

Certainly not. I was making the point that the writer implies that Depp lost work because of the allegations amplified by social media alone, whereas I believe the position is that he lost work after those allegations had been considered and found to be correct in a Court, which is a rather more defensible position for filmmakers to take.

James C.
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James C.
1 year ago

Portions of the mainstream media dont believe she is guilty which is sad to see. I can understand if journalist write an article from a broader view to try and dissect this case but much of what is out there is moving their goal posts and spinning new reasons why Amber is the victim.
First its “believe all women”, then its “She is an imperfect victim”, the excuses never stop even when the evidence presented doesnt support her argument. In fact, you could easily use the “imperfect victim” for Depp who clearly has his own issues with drug and alcohol.
But even with those issues Amber’s council was unable to provide evidence that he ever abused her let alone instigated anything. In fact it was quite to the contrary that he was caught on audio trying to escape those situations while she belittled and mocked him. But the mainstream media simply doesnt want to face those facts.
I hear so much about the tik tok and twitter trollverse and although that can be unfortunate for people like Amber its not how this case was decided. Especially for anyone who actually watched and paid attention to the trial itself. But one thing i keep telling people in my own circles is this trial wasnt about other victims, couples, etc. It was about Johnny Depp and Amber Heard and not all cases of domestic abuse are the same.
But yes, men can be victims so if there are people doing a jig about the verdict its because they are tired of being told by extreme feminist that men cant be victims. Even the MeToo founder Burke has stated that men can also be victims of domestic violence but apparently even that falls on deaf ears.

Samuel Ross
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Samuel Ross
1 year ago

Well, you’re not wrong.

Ted Ditchburn
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Ted Ditchburn
1 year ago

As the old saying goes..*They should both get an award for letting two other people have the chance of a happy life.*

Last edited 1 year ago by Ted Ditchburn
ARNAUD ALMARIC
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ARNAUD ALMARIC
1 year ago

Didn’t Confucius* say that “there was no such thing as rape”?

(*551-479 BC.)

Jonathan Andrews
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Jonathan Andrews
1 year ago

I’m very surprised this has received a negative response, they appear both to be unpleasant people.
It’s like car crashes, it’s very tempting to look out of the window and be grateful that it’s not me in that mess.

0 0
0 0
1 year ago

Johny Depp started out as a child Nark on 21 Jump Street & has been trying to recover from that with a bad boy image.
Amber Heard should have played Elizabeth Holmes.

F Jones
FJ
F Jones
1 year ago

I’m confused. I’ve listened to the trial from the beginning and I can’t see how anyone can possibly be supporting Johnny Depp on this. Someone above commented ‘I don’t know anyone who doesn’t think Amber Heard isn’t guilty’.. guilty of what? Not defamation that’s for sure. She didn’t mention his name in the article which was about her, not him. The internalised misogyny of the female commentators is mind blowing. When Christine Blasey Ford gave evidence on an attempted sexual assault 30 years ago women all over the world supported her, when this woman gives evidence on a series of violent assaults all happening within the last decade, she’s vilified. Why? Would it help if Depp was a right wing politician and not everyone’s old teenage crush?

Lori Wagner
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Lori Wagner
1 year ago
Reply to  F Jones

Amber Heard is guilty of physically abusing Depp. It’s on tape. That’s why people don’t condone her. Reverse the situation and think what if it were Depp on tape saying what she said..it would be jail time.

Carlos Danger
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Carlos Danger
1 year ago
Reply to  F Jones

Christine Ford’s testimony was incredible. Many people think Amber Heard’s testimony is incredible also.

Diane McLeod
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Diane McLeod
1 year ago

I believe Amber. I have watched the trial and read the judges ruling in the UK. What I really don’t understand is why more people don’t believe her? You talk of her lies coming out, she was and is the victim of a smear campaign by Depp and his attorney who had to step away from this trial in Virginia. Waldman I believe his name is. He has ties to Putin and the Dark Web and you know what the dark web is full of pedophiles! Please show me 1 lie and I will show you how it has been twisted by Depp and his yes men. Depp is a doped up alcoholic and drug addict by his own admission “happy hour is anytime” um yup. She was tried in public opinion before any of you were even going to listen to her defense. You know what convinced you? Memes and sound bites and recordings with things taken out of context! Tell Johnny I will treat him right! Get real ladies. He doesn’t want you, he wanted her but he could not control her or blackmail her into keeping quiet like he has done to so many other his girlfriends. Just watch that “mega pint” video and ask yourself this, Is this man afraid of this woman? Is this how an abused man behaves? But the bottom line is you just “don’t like her” and I have to ask myself why is that. She is beautiful. These men will never have her and these women will never look like her or get Johnny Depp to give him the time of day! I never realized so many women want to have a liquor bottles shoved up their vaginas! But who am I to judge. The abuse would be equal if he had a liquor bottle shoved up his ass. She wrote an op-ed at the request of the ACLU! She paid a very smart lawyer to make sure she wasn’t defaming anyone and she is being sued for it! It’s outrageous that she has to go through this to defend her 1st amendment right to free speech. She is beautiful and she is kind. She speaks up for other victims of domestic violence and gay youths at risk of suicide. Thank you Amber! And btw I do consider myself to be a feminist, just as Tommy Pistol considers himself one.