Could there be a more blatant example of Too Many People, and the overwhelming ecological necessity to reduce the human bio-load on the planet? All else, solar panels, veganism, electric cars is flim-flam, window dressing.
And yet, anyone who says this e.g. Bill Gates is reviled as a Nazi Eugenicist. Of course human population will crash, but we could think about doing it the nice way!
Yup – no one will face the fact that too many humans are the problem. But one day a supervirus will come along and hit a population with a weak immune system (weakened by universal health care). That is the only way to regain an ecological balance because humans are too short-sighted to take the necessary prophylactic action.
AI is going to solve the issue, it will take over by networking all things electric and then the issue will be if it thinks of us as pets, and so optimizes our numbers, or if it thinks of us as cockroaches, and then handles us in that way.
“Yup – no one will face the fact that too many humans are the problem.”
I couldn’t agree more.
Today Freddie Sayers has a youtube interview with a scientist who warns that human sperm count has been decreasing for twenty years or more and that will result in many fewer people being born.
I’m not sure I’m convinced by everything she says, but I do believe sperm count is decreasing in response to pollution.
Maybe Mother Nature will cull humanity and rebalance the global ecosystem after all.
Actually, Bill Gates needs reviling, and calling him what you did merely deflects from the real issues he is involved in, which are more about controlling people in all ways, like some mad 007 villain.
The real issus of calling for population decrease is WHO needs to decrease in numbers. Daring to say anything on that gets the Naz * label.
Precisely, we either need a Super Virus as advocated by Jos Haynes above, or a plethora of Trident II D-5 ballistic missiles might do the trick.
VS
Galeti Tavas
3 years ago
I happen to know a great deal of the aquatic world. I have been a life long fisherman and have sport fished from the Hindu-Kush to the Alaska Arctic, Far North to Tropic, seas, oceans, lakes swamps, ponds, creeks, estuaries, even deserts. I also have been a commercial fisherman, still hold a license to do so, worked in fish processing, and studied zoology and biology for years. Been all over.
I will tell you the real issue: West vs Non West. Westerners do not put plastic into the oceans, do not have destructive fishing practices, do not hurt the oceans they control, keep good fishing practices (sure some of the ‘Farmed And Dangerous’ (a rallying cry from Canadian salmon farming killing wild stocks by increasing sea lice) treat their water and waste, really are extremely good at the oceans (Maybe not so great on the Mediterranean, but it is shared by too many assorted peoples, but one day they will do better there too).
The problem is the developing and second and third world. 90% of the ocean plastics comes from the great rivers coming out of the developing nations who dump all in them, and so out to sea. The rest comes from developing nations other ways. The West adds almost none. The destructive fishing methods, the pollution, the horrors, they are not from us.
That is the problem, but the hair shirt loving, White Privilege laden, nose ring wearing, Green Liberal/Lefties have to make it all about us, probably want us to pay sea reparations to the nations destroying their own seas. I would like a high seas fishing police that sank any violator, and fined any polluter, or embargoed them.
Seb Dakin
3 years ago
The tragedy of the commons, writ large. If it’s not your fish, you’ve no incentive to police it, none really to conserve it, that is anywhere near as great as the profit motivation of the people doing the fishing. And the real tragedy is that scarcity will drive prices up, providing extra incentives for even more thorough fishing methods. Hard to see what can be done about the oceans. Nation states can just about regulate their own waters, provided they’ve a viable navy. As awful as some fish farms may be, if they can reduce prices below the cost of fishing on open water, that might be the best chance fish stocks in the wild have. At least until someone works out how to grow ‘fish’ in a lab.
Yea, yea, it is just horrible humans, that is the Liberal answer……
“Did you know the cod in your fish and chips is almost as likely to be caught by organised criminals as a folksy Captain Birdseye”
BS on that one! The Cod comes from Iceland, Norway, UK and the nations around there, all managed well, and not fished by crime families! Typical Greenie, make us the bad guys when it is the high seas, the warm oceans, which are ravaged by slaving, Eco-killing, pirate fishing gangs, and they are based in Philippines, SE Asia, and other badly policed lands, mostly. The Liberals are either ‘All Must Have Prizes’ or All Are To Blame’ because they have to absolve the non-West, and Blame the West. They are institutionally racist to the point they mislead in everything.
“Ditto “Dolphin Safe Tuna”; one researcher discovered that 45 dolphins died for the sake of eight “friendly-fished” tuna.” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, this is crazy stuff!
Not sure where you shop. My “Cod” comes from China.
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DP
David M Pelly
3 years ago
If you take a God point of view of this planet, we are in a situation similar to that of Noah’s day, for lots of reasons. When I eat fish, and I love fish, I almost always think of the problems you write about. But that is only one of many reasons, one of the many causes of the unsolvable problems of this planet.
People in general have become hopelessly degraded in many ways, just look at US politics, and the sexual immorality and perversion that is going on, for which the only solution is serious depopulation. But I just do not like who is doing it and how they are doing it.
By that I mean, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, George Soros, and a long list of others. Those who have been doing their homework know exactly who I mean. When I look at pictures of Klaus Schwab, especially, I feel like vomiting. The embodiment of evil.
‘The Seas Will Hold Nothing, And You Will Be Happy.’ (Schwab)
But one thing you do not understand is those self made guys above, they are likely totally evil, but the actual Global Elite who are going to enslave the world in the Great Reset, no one knows their names except in the highest levels, they keep a zero profile. They are the people who made their unbelievably vast wealth and power by owning the means of loaning money, the real source of all power. ALL production and industry and economies are based on borrowing. These money families go back centuries, they have been there the whole time, the power behind the thrones – but in the old world without computers it was impossible to actually rule the world as it could not all be pulled together – that is over, and globalism will take everyone and everyone’s freedoms.
BO
Brendan O'Leary
3 years ago
Cowspiracy, which reputedly turned more people vegetarian than any other “text”in history
That’s a pretty low bar.
The vegetarian population of the world is less than 5%, almost all of them in India.
However, it does shed light on the film-makers’ motivation – not to save fish, but to alter human behaviour. If, inevitably, they can’t persuade the general population, they will focus on politicians and the result will be coercion.
CJ
Cho Jinn
3 years ago
Watched this the other night; as one who enjoys fishing (catch and release) and our natural world tremendously, it certainly is a sad state of affairs. I already felt guilty ever ordering fish, despite how healthful it is. Seaspiracy is somewhat pornographic, like many alarmist documentaries, but whether the subject matter is ocean conservation climate change, [insert], these films are produced for a Western audience who is not-exactly the problem, at least not directly. For the same reason Greta Thunberg’s creepy parents are gutless for stopping short of addressing the worst actors (we have to suffer her impish impetuousness because…why?), this message need to be pushed into the East.
RA
Roland Ayers
3 years ago
Is canned fish less wasteful? The fresh stuff has a short shelf-life, so I imagine a lot of it gets chucked. Are those MSC labels really so meaningless?
This is a confusing article, the author seems to agree with the general thrust of the points made about the damage the fishing industry is doing but then sees red regarding the suggestion that people should eat fewer fish, i.e. there’s a problem but the solution is definitely not to reduce the demand that ultimately causes the problem. Point taken that trying to get the whole world to be veggie is unrealistic, but the documentary is made for a largely privileged western audience and the conclusion of the makers findings/his opinion, is that the best thing an individual viewer of the documentary can do it reduce consumption of fish. It’s not a White Paper, its a documentary highlighting an issue not many bother to think about.
The article then goes on to make a series of lazy points in support of the author’s view that we shouldn’t alter our fish consumption patterns:
The documentary disingenuously ignores organic fishing farming. [Organic salmon farming has most of the same ecological impacts highlighted by the documentary, albeit it reduced by lower stocking levels. Agreed, this is probably the best form of fish production, but they still require huge levels of wild caught fish to feed them and still do huge amounts of damage to wild salmon populations.]
Vegetarians are naïve if they think arable farming is all ecologically sound. [The author provides a single example of the harm arable farming does as an argument against a being a veggie. Bit like saying, I’m not going to give up smoking because there’s nicotine tablets aren’t very good for you.]
There’s a long history of humans eating and liking fish. [There’s a long history of human doing lots of things, not really an argument in itself that we shouldn’t do something to reduce the activity if its proving unduly harmful to society and the planet]
Ponds are good for wildlife, some started off as medieval fish farms, therefore fish farms are good, ergo no worries, keep on eating fish.
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BO
Brendan O'Leary
3 years ago
As more “western” countries declare Marine Parks in order to placate local greenies, more fishing is pushed to the very gangsters described in this article.
Could there be a more blatant example of Too Many People, and the overwhelming ecological necessity to reduce the human bio-load on the planet? All else, solar panels, veganism, electric cars is flim-flam, window dressing.
And yet, anyone who says this e.g. Bill Gates is reviled as a Nazi Eugenicist. Of course human population will crash, but we could think about doing it the nice way!
Yup – no one will face the fact that too many humans are the problem. But one day a supervirus will come along and hit a population with a weak immune system (weakened by universal health care). That is the only way to regain an ecological balance because humans are too short-sighted to take the necessary prophylactic action.
AI is going to solve the issue, it will take over by networking all things electric and then the issue will be if it thinks of us as pets, and so optimizes our numbers, or if it thinks of us as cockroaches, and then handles us in that way.
You should not insult the cockroaches like that. They were here before us, they will be here after us.
“Yup – no one will face the fact that too many humans are the problem.”
I couldn’t agree more.
Today Freddie Sayers has a youtube interview with a scientist who warns that human sperm count has been decreasing for twenty years or more and that will result in many fewer people being born.
I’m not sure I’m convinced by everything she says, but I do believe sperm count is decreasing in response to pollution.
Maybe Mother Nature will cull humanity and rebalance the global ecosystem after all.
Mother Nature is already working on it.
Have no fear, the Goddess Nemesis is on ‘standby’.
Actually, Bill Gates needs reviling, and calling him what you did merely deflects from the real issues he is involved in, which are more about controlling people in all ways, like some mad 007 villain.
The real issus of calling for population decrease is WHO needs to decrease in numbers. Daring to say anything on that gets the Naz * label.
Too many people.
I agree.
You first….
Letting Covid rip would be a reasonable means, although not likely to be efficient enough
Precisely, we either need a Super Virus as advocated by Jos Haynes above, or a plethora of Trident II D-5 ballistic missiles might do the trick.
I happen to know a great deal of the aquatic world. I have been a life long fisherman and have sport fished from the Hindu-Kush to the Alaska Arctic, Far North to Tropic, seas, oceans, lakes swamps, ponds, creeks, estuaries, even deserts. I also have been a commercial fisherman, still hold a license to do so, worked in fish processing, and studied zoology and biology for years. Been all over.
I will tell you the real issue: West vs Non West. Westerners do not put plastic into the oceans, do not have destructive fishing practices, do not hurt the oceans they control, keep good fishing practices (sure some of the ‘Farmed And Dangerous’ (a rallying cry from Canadian salmon farming killing wild stocks by increasing sea lice) treat their water and waste, really are extremely good at the oceans (Maybe not so great on the Mediterranean, but it is shared by too many assorted peoples, but one day they will do better there too).
The problem is the developing and second and third world. 90% of the ocean plastics comes from the great rivers coming out of the developing nations who dump all in them, and so out to sea. The rest comes from developing nations other ways. The West adds almost none. The destructive fishing methods, the pollution, the horrors, they are not from us.
That is the problem, but the hair shirt loving, White Privilege laden, nose ring wearing, Green Liberal/Lefties have to make it all about us, probably want us to pay sea reparations to the nations destroying their own seas. I would like a high seas fishing police that sank any violator, and fined any polluter, or embargoed them.
The tragedy of the commons, writ large. If it’s not your fish, you’ve no incentive to police it, none really to conserve it, that is anywhere near as great as the profit motivation of the people doing the fishing. And the real tragedy is that scarcity will drive prices up, providing extra incentives for even more thorough fishing methods. Hard to see what can be done about the oceans. Nation states can just about regulate their own waters, provided they’ve a viable navy. As awful as some fish farms may be, if they can reduce prices below the cost of fishing on open water, that might be the best chance fish stocks in the wild have. At least until someone works out how to grow ‘fish’ in a lab.
Yea, yea, it is just horrible humans, that is the Liberal answer……
“Did you know the cod in your fish and chips is almost as likely to be caught by organised criminals as a folksy Captain Birdseye”
BS on that one! The Cod comes from Iceland, Norway, UK and the nations around there, all managed well, and not fished by crime families! Typical Greenie, make us the bad guys when it is the high seas, the warm oceans, which are ravaged by slaving, Eco-killing, pirate fishing gangs, and they are based in Philippines, SE Asia, and other badly policed lands, mostly. The Liberals are either ‘All Must Have Prizes’ or All Are To Blame’ because they have to absolve the non-West, and Blame the West. They are institutionally racist to the point they mislead in everything.
“Ditto “Dolphin Safe Tuna”; one researcher discovered that 45 dolphins died for the sake of eight “friendly-fished” tuna.” !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OK, this is crazy stuff!
Not sure where you shop. My “Cod” comes from China.
If you take a God point of view of this planet, we are in a situation similar to that of Noah’s day, for lots of reasons. When I eat fish, and I love fish, I almost always think of the problems you write about. But that is only one of many reasons, one of the many causes of the unsolvable problems of this planet.
People in general have become hopelessly degraded in many ways, just look at US politics, and the sexual immorality and perversion that is going on, for which the only solution is serious depopulation. But I just do not like who is doing it and how they are doing it.
By that I mean, Klaus Schwab, Bill Gates, George Soros, and a long list of others. Those who have been doing their homework know exactly who I mean. When I look at pictures of Klaus Schwab, especially, I feel like vomiting. The embodiment of evil.
‘The Seas Will Hold Nothing, And You Will Be Happy.’ (Schwab)
But one thing you do not understand is those self made guys above, they are likely totally evil, but the actual Global Elite who are going to enslave the world in the Great Reset, no one knows their names except in the highest levels, they keep a zero profile. They are the people who made their unbelievably vast wealth and power by owning the means of loaning money, the real source of all power. ALL production and industry and economies are based on borrowing. These money families go back centuries, they have been there the whole time, the power behind the thrones – but in the old world without computers it was impossible to actually rule the world as it could not all be pulled together – that is over, and globalism will take everyone and everyone’s freedoms.
That’s a pretty low bar.
The vegetarian population of the world is less than 5%, almost all of them in India.
However, it does shed light on the film-makers’ motivation – not to save fish, but to alter human behaviour. If, inevitably, they can’t persuade the general population, they will focus on politicians and the result will be coercion.
Watched this the other night; as one who enjoys fishing (catch and release) and our natural world tremendously, it certainly is a sad state of affairs. I already felt guilty ever ordering fish, despite how healthful it is. Seaspiracy is somewhat pornographic, like many alarmist documentaries, but whether the subject matter is ocean conservation climate change, [insert], these films are produced for a Western audience who is not-exactly the problem, at least not directly. For the same reason Greta Thunberg’s creepy parents are gutless for stopping short of addressing the worst actors (we have to suffer her impish impetuousness because…why?), this message need to be pushed into the East.
Is canned fish less wasteful? The fresh stuff has a short shelf-life, so I imagine a lot of it gets chucked. Are those MSC labels really so meaningless?
Maybe the world just needs more maritime oil rigs:
https://townhall.com/columnists/humbertofontova/2021/03/20/biden-halts-offshore-oil-drillingenvironmentalist-whackos-cheer-n2586556
Seaspiracy? Codspiracy shurely?
too much alliteration:didn’t read
This is a confusing article, the author seems to agree with the general thrust of the points made about the damage the fishing industry is doing but then sees red regarding the suggestion that people should eat fewer fish, i.e. there’s a problem but the solution is definitely not to reduce the demand that ultimately causes the problem. Point taken that trying to get the whole world to be veggie is unrealistic, but the documentary is made for a largely privileged western audience and the conclusion of the makers findings/his opinion, is that the best thing an individual viewer of the documentary can do it reduce consumption of fish. It’s not a White Paper, its a documentary highlighting an issue not many bother to think about.
The article then goes on to make a series of lazy points in support of the author’s view that we shouldn’t alter our fish consumption patterns:
As more “western” countries declare Marine Parks in order to placate local greenies, more fishing is pushed to the very gangsters described in this article.
no, not true.