A good and important article. I grew up in the countryside and it was F&M that fully awoke me to the evil of New Labour and the sheer, malicious incompetence of the British state. Essentially, F&M was an appetiser for Iraq. It is so easy to forget the blithe, destructive wickedness of those who rule over us. Articles like this act as a reminder.
Here here. It was an evil policy yet Bliar got away with it.
I was talking to my daughter about it just a few days ago. I had in the back of my mind she was a baby when it happened- I remember driving to my parents and seeing the smoke from the burning piles of poor animals – but she wasn’t born till 2003 so I must have imagined her being in the car with us.
You’ll see smoke from Hell the day the fat starts spitting off Blair’s body down there.
SD
Saul D
3 years ago
Ferguson was also behind BSE/vCJD predictions. His 2002 paper suggested between 50-50,000 deaths from bovine BSE, rising to potentially 150,000 if ovine BSE was considered. To date there have been 178 deaths from vCJD, and just 7 in the last ten years.
Long-period statistical models, particularly if they include exponential growth of any form, have a tendency to go wildly wrong at the upper bounds.
“particularly if they include exponential growth of any form”
Too right. It has been well-known for some time that nearly all epidemics do not grow exponentially. Gerardo Chowell at Georgia State Uni and his colleagues have confirmed this historically. My own modelling over the past year has shown that an empirical power-law model fits hospitalization data better, and provides accurate forecasts up to 3 weeks ahead, while exponential models lead to absurd predictions like 4000 deaths/day.
If this epidemic has made anything clear, it is the limitations of mathematical models in noisy and chaotic environments. My fellow mathematicians and statisticians all know this in theory, but along comes the promise of research contracts, chairs and a moment of fame. “I see the sights that dazzle, the tempting sounds I hear.”
Of course, it’s even worse in the area of “climate change.”
Prof Levitts said the same thing at the start of the pandemic. He noted growth was a Gompertz curve, not exponential. He even wrote an article in response to Neil Ferguson, but Ferguson ignored it.
Thanks for this,far better than I could argue it. I despair not of the modelling we’ve seen recently, but of the importance attached to it.
The 2-3 week forecasts are important as they drive hospital admissions. The long term forecasts are frankly silly, the data to drive the model still isn’t known – we still can’t decide if schools are tiny or significant driverrs of infection. The ‘Kent’ variant if it’s really 50% more infectious completely skews any modelling. Viruses generally mutate, the more tranmissable version will generally win. Wouldn’t like to try modelling it though.
RT
Robin Taylor
3 years ago
“In the very earliest days of the crisis, the government’s very own foot-and-mouth experts…” informed “…that Imperial’s model was flawed”.
We should remember that in the very earliest days of this crisis, 13 March 2020, the Government’s Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, told Sky News that:
“If you completely lockdown absolutely everything, probably for a period of four months or more, then you would suppress this virus. All the evidence from previous epidemics suggests that when you do that, when you release it, then it all comes back again. So, the other part of this is to make sure that we don’t end up with a sudden peak again in the Winter which is even larger and causes even more problems. So, we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely, which you can’t do anyway, not suppress it so much that we get the second peak, and also allow enough of us who are going to get mild illness, to become immune to this and help with the whole population response that would protect everybody”.
We should remember that the early approach was based on the Government’s Pandemic Preparedness Strategy formed in 2011. The pandemic strategy was to be used for influenza and other severe acute respiratory syndromes and was based on planners being prepared “to cope with a population mortality rate of up to 210,000–315,000 additional deaths, possibly over as little as a 15 week period and perhaps half of these over three weeks at the height of the outbreak”. There were no plans for closing borders, wearing masks or shutting down the economy, although it did envisage protecting the elderly and vulnerable.
It is not clear we would ever have reached 315,000 deaths in 15 weeks (or 155,000 over three weeks) during this pandemic, so it would seem that the Government lost its nerve and that since then the science has been following the politics.
Some of us are not qualified to say where the truth lies, but in a year have not heard or read a word that persuasively suggests Robin Taylor is wrong.
Unfortunately, our hysterical media wouldn’t allow that approach to be taken. Think back to the media frenzy last April as deaths climbed inexorably towards 1,000 per day and then imagine the firestorm that would have faced the Government had there been no lockdown and a more Swedish approach adopted.
J
Jim
3 years ago
What the writer forgets to mention is that the Netherlands did vaccinate animals.
All vaccinated animals were then slaughtered because the Netherlands did not want to destroy their export industry
I was farming in Cumbria at the time. The PMs office contacted the vets at Carlisle to ask whether the farmers would do vaccination. The vets phoned farmers, I was one. The suggestion was that all cattle and then perhaps all sheep in Cumbria would be vaccinated. The problem is that milk from vaccinated cows has to be pasturised twice before it can be allowed out of the area (OIE regulations) and no dairy company in Cumbria would volunteer to do this because nobody would buy the milk. The government was asked to buy it for the armed forces (along with the meat which has to be treated differently as well under OIE regulations) Government refused to do this
So effectively vaccinating cows would have meant the farmer vaccinating them would bankrupt themselves because they couldn’t sell their produce
Because I, like a lot of other farmers, didn’t want to end up bankrupt and homeless, we said no to vaccination
Both. The OIE set very high standards. It was impossible at the time to test a vaccinated animal and work out whether it is vaccinated or has the disease.
Also because a high proportion of FMD outbreaks have been vaccine breakdowns, (or vaccine escapes) the OIE set very high standards for what must be done with milk and meat products from those animals to ensure they do not inadvertently spread the disease. Unless you live in a country where FMD is endemic, it is effectively financially unviable to meet those standards and find paying customers.
I remember driving from Manchester Airport on the way to the family home in Cumbria at the end of August 2001 after an absence of some eight months. Something struck me as odd about a journey I’d done dozens of times over nearly 20 years, but it wasn’t until I reached Tebay that I realised that I hadn’t seen a single animal in a field throughout the entire journey. It was quite chilling.
It was a nightmare.
I remember in 2002 going to Westmoreland show and people comparing it to ‘last year’s show.’
There hadn’t been a last years show, it had been cancelled. But they had effectively blotted the whole of 2001 from their minds as the only way of coping with it.
JS
JR Stoker
3 years ago
One of the best articles that I have had the privilege of reading here. I remember it well and it was the most awful time (I am from a farming family). What happened in 2001 should have taught us not to rely on statistical modelling or the opinions of those who have no specialist knowledge of the subject at hand – which seems to be a Ferguson speciality. And indeed, not to trust the state to do the right thing; that is why we tussled our way to freedom for 400 years.
I’m so sorry you had to live through that. Blair is a psychopath and Ferguson has some weird additional Messiah complex. Thank you for putting yourself through the dreadful task of describing that time again, it is important that we never forget it. I think reporting on it had a very
profound effect on Peter Hitchens and has helped him to see far more clearly than his fellows what is going on today.
I have been watching the Adam Curtis documentaries The Century of the Self and The Trap, this weekend. Certainly the obsession with the mathematical models and game theory that so influenced Clinton and Blair have a great deal to answer for. Down with academics and politicians who think academics have the answers!
PL
Peadar Laighléis
3 years ago
Looking from the other side of the Irish Sea, I recall how smug the Irish media were about the performance of Bertie Aherne’s government here at the time in comparison to Tony Blair’s response. Just recall the agricultural lobby was relatively much more powerful on both sides of the border in Ireland at the time, and I only recall one recorded outbreak in the Republic and three in Northern Ireland at the time. However the writer’s depiction of armed troops on patrol in the English countryside reminds me the Dublin satirical magazine The Phoenix took a pot shot at the Irish Defence Forces at the time which was something like an Irish joke. The Army Ranger Wing, which are the special force in the Irish Army, were dispatched to the Cooley Penninsula to cull the feral goats there – Cooley is just south of the border on the Irish Sea coast and the four outbreaks I refer to all took place in proximity. What the well-trained, well paid members of the ARW were not prepared for was how wild goats had learned were the border was and what it meant to them through the Troubles which had only come to an end a few years before. A few of the goats were killed, but the rest charged to the safety of Northern Ireland where the Irish Army elite could not follow. I don’t think the citizens of any civilised state expect the men at arms they fund to be deployed against defenceless animals.
RC
Rachel Chandler
3 years ago
Maybe we have to ask ourselves why democratic governments take action and justify policies on models and forecasts that are unlikely to be “right”. The problem is an electorate that expect them to “do something”. We are treated like infants because we don’t want to accept the reality that life is uncertain. This problem has come to a head with SARs-cov-2 and won’t go away until the increasing numbers of middle-aged vulnerable (on medication for metabolic disorders) take more interest in their health, questioning their descent into ever more drug dependence.
Just before FMD broke out I was seconded to work within government. I was told to go along to MAFF for a briefing and witnessed Sir Richard Wilson (head of the civil service) introducing a brigadier and telling them, in no uncertain terms, ‘we are working with the military on this (cull) but let me be clear , you do as he says.’ I was new to working with civil servants but thought something must have gone very wrong. I spent the next 5 years, and particularly the response to 9/11, witnessing the dangerous mix of arrogance, ignorance and incompetence of the civil service. Blair had got rid of the old off-message impartial civil servants and replaced them with new labour clones, who are still there today. We can blame the politicians and the academics but at the heart of the rot is the civil service who have never learned any lessons where they cocked up because they always find someone else to blame. Just look at Grenfell – the root cause was Prescott changing rules and responsibilities within his remit, but the inquiry hasn’t even considered it yet as there are easier targets to blame e.g. the fire service.
Last edited 3 years ago by Simon Webb
GF
Gerry Fruin
3 years ago
In deepest West Wales it was a fact to many farmers that the disease was spread by heroic ‘news reporters’ racing from one farm to the next sneaking ‘undercover’ to get the latest entertaining pictures of slaughtered animals.
In my area they did not arrive! Why? Well they were told at the border that if they tried to access any farms they wouldn’t be leaving. A bit strong, and you may think melodramatic and this article tried to paint a real situation that was totally unnecessary and led by spineless ignorant cretins. Rural people are brought up with animal deaths, not likeable but this evil period was sick beyond words
Who ignored and exacerbated this? (or tried to). The world’s leading broadcaster. Yes the BBC.
TF
Tom Fox
3 years ago
Charlatan of the century?
Professor Neil Fergusson.
Apocalyptic predictions on CJD, Foot and Mouth and Sars-Cov-2.
Scenario from the infamous “550,000 deaths if we do nothing” Imperial Report No 9 :
Table 4 which shows a series of possible scenarios with different restrictions in place.
For an R of 2.4 with case isolation + social distancing + home quarantine + school / university closure worst death scenario is 39,000 over 2 years – not exactly apocalyptic given how things have turned out
People should take the time to read the original sources – the actualite is always more nuanced and interesting than what is spewed out by most news outlets (read Jim above)
RN
Rob Nock
3 years ago
And very interesting post in the comments in an interesting article at https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/why-china-and-the-who-will-never-find-a-zoonotic-origin-for-the-covid19-pandemic-virus/ (Independent Science News) about how strange it is that the WHO seem determined to deny the possibility of Covid having escaped from a lab.
“On this day 20 years ago foot and mouth disease was first noted in pigs at a slaughterhouse in Essex, initiating what eventually became one of the biggest foot and mouth disease epidemics in history. The official inquiry into the epidemic was published in 2002 (Lessons to be Learned Inquiry Report, July 2002). This report states that ”The exact source of the FMD virus implicated in the UK outbreak will never be known.”. The chief veterinary officer concluded on the origin of the virus that ”The source of the virus for the 2001 epidemic was most probably infected or contaminated meat or meat products but it is unlikely that the origin of this material or the route by which it entered the UK and reached Burnside Farm will ever be identified”. Alternative theories of the origin of the virus were considered but, surprisingly, the possibility of a lab leak from the Pirbright Institute was not mentioned at all. Considering that the virus was almost identical to a strain isolated in South Korea in 2000, that this lineage was geographically restricted to countries in the Far East and that this virus was present at Pirbright and also being studied in animal experiments, it is surprising that the possibility of an accidental escape from the laboratory was not addressed in the official inquiry. An limited outbreak of foot and mouth disease virus in UK in 2007 was confirmed to be caused by accidental escape of virus from Pirbright. Therefore, given that it happened in 2007, it is retrospectively of concern that such a possibility was not considered in 2001.”
WM
William Murphy
3 years ago
It was late 2019 and I was one of the audience listening to a lecture in Camberley.
Subject: Climate Change….. As predicted by computer models.
Lecturer: Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Physics… From Imperial College.
The great thing about predicting climate change is that you won’t be around in 2100 when your forecasts mature. And by then everyone will long have forgotten that you ever existed.
DB
David Bell
3 years ago
Regrettable Imperial and Mr Ferguson has a long and undistinguished history of this sort of thing
AJ
Angus J
3 years ago
“Many tried to make Tony Blair see reason…”
Always a difficult task, on any subject.
PK
Peter KE
3 years ago
SAGE, DHSC, PHE and Imperial are all useless and the damage caused unnecessary damage to our society.
I loved it too. I recall some Argentine guy commenting that the way the British government handled F&M in 2001 was simply proof that we have too much money. Or too much in Government hands.
SF
stephen f.
3 years ago
Computer models-“Garbage in-garbage out”. Computer models that are used in predicting the “coming climate disaster” (always coming, never arriving) cannot “predict” past weather when fed all known information.
SM
Sean MacSweeney
3 years ago
It still surprises me that anyone would listen to anything the morons at imperial college would come out with, governments should automatically discount what these idiots spout
SH
Stephen Hoffman
3 years ago
A new fusion of tech, media and government has cast its nets over us. It gained ground with FMD and now it’s blossomed with Covid-19. But we’re smart, right? We can find a way out of this maze? Nope. We like to think of ourselves as the animal who uses tools—language, ideas, computer models. But tools use us. The unappetizing submission of computer geeks like Neil Ferguson to this ugly fate is what makes them prosper in times like ours. Deep down they see that we abhor the stench of burning animals less than we revel in the sheer technological marvel of our divine overlord—computer code.
SH
Stephen Hoffman
3 years ago
A new fusion of tech, media and government has cast its nets over us. It gained ground with FMD and now it’s blossomed with Covid-19. But we’re smart, right? We can find a way out of this maze? Nope. We like to think of ourselves as the animal who uses tools—language, ideas, computer models. But tools use us. The unappetizing submission of computer geeks like Neil Ferguson to this ugly fate is what makes them prosper in times like ours. Deep down they see that we abhor the stench of burning animals less than we revel in the sheer technological marvel of our divine overlord—computer code.
CM
Chris Milburn
3 years ago
The parallels to the handling of the COVID situation are uncanny. I think the next step is shooting all the potentially infected humans.
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A good and important article. I grew up in the countryside and it was F&M that fully awoke me to the evil of New Labour and the sheer, malicious incompetence of the British state. Essentially, F&M was an appetiser for Iraq. It is so easy to forget the blithe, destructive wickedness of those who rule over us. Articles like this act as a reminder.
Here here. It was an evil policy yet Bliar got away with it.
I was talking to my daughter about it just a few days ago. I had in the back of my mind she was a baby when it happened- I remember driving to my parents and seeing the smoke from the burning piles of poor animals – but she wasn’t born till 2003 so I must have imagined her being in the car with us.
You’ll see smoke from Hell the day the fat starts spitting off Blair’s body down there.
Ferguson was also behind BSE/vCJD predictions. His 2002 paper suggested between 50-50,000 deaths from bovine BSE, rising to potentially 150,000 if ovine BSE was considered. To date there have been 178 deaths from vCJD, and just 7 in the last ten years.
Long-period statistical models, particularly if they include exponential growth of any form, have a tendency to go wildly wrong at the upper bounds.
“particularly if they include exponential growth of any form”
Too right. It has been well-known for some time that nearly all epidemics do not grow exponentially. Gerardo Chowell at Georgia State Uni and his colleagues have confirmed this historically. My own modelling over the past year has shown that an empirical power-law model fits hospitalization data better, and provides accurate forecasts up to 3 weeks ahead, while exponential models lead to absurd predictions like 4000 deaths/day.
If this epidemic has made anything clear, it is the limitations of mathematical models in noisy and chaotic environments. My fellow mathematicians and statisticians all know this in theory, but along comes the promise of research contracts, chairs and a moment of fame. “I see the sights that dazzle, the tempting sounds I hear.”
Of course, it’s even worse in the area of “climate change.”
Prof Levitts said the same thing at the start of the pandemic. He noted growth was a Gompertz curve, not exponential. He even wrote an article in response to Neil Ferguson, but Ferguson ignored it.
Thanks for this,far better than I could argue it. I despair not of the modelling we’ve seen recently, but of the importance attached to it.
The 2-3 week forecasts are important as they drive hospital admissions. The long term forecasts are frankly silly, the data to drive the model still isn’t known – we still can’t decide if schools are tiny or significant driverrs of infection. The ‘Kent’ variant if it’s really 50% more infectious completely skews any modelling. Viruses generally mutate, the more tranmissable version will generally win. Wouldn’t like to try modelling it though.
“In the very earliest days of the crisis, the government’s very own foot-and-mouth experts…” informed “…that Imperial’s model was flawed”.
We should remember that in the very earliest days of this crisis, 13 March 2020, the Government’s Chief Scientific Adviser, Sir Patrick Vallance, told Sky News that:
“If you completely lockdown absolutely everything, probably for a period of four months or more, then you would suppress this virus. All the evidence from previous epidemics suggests that when you do that, when you release it, then it all comes back again. So, the other part of this is to make sure that we don’t end up with a sudden peak again in the Winter which is even larger and causes even more problems. So, we want to suppress it, not get rid of it completely, which you can’t do anyway, not suppress it so much that we get the second peak, and also allow enough of us who are going to get mild illness, to become immune to this and help with the whole population response that would protect everybody”.
We should remember that the early approach was based on the Government’s Pandemic Preparedness Strategy formed in 2011. The pandemic strategy was to be used for influenza and other severe acute respiratory syndromes and was based on planners being prepared “to cope with a population mortality rate of up to 210,000–315,000 additional deaths, possibly over as little as a 15 week period and perhaps half of these over three weeks at the height of the outbreak”. There were no plans for closing borders, wearing masks or shutting down the economy, although it did envisage protecting the elderly and vulnerable.
It is not clear we would ever have reached 315,000 deaths in 15 weeks (or 155,000 over three weeks) during this pandemic, so it would seem that the Government lost its nerve and that since then the science has been following the politics.
Some of us are not qualified to say where the truth lies, but in a year have not heard or read a word that persuasively suggests Robin Taylor is wrong.
Unfortunately, our hysterical media wouldn’t allow that approach to be taken. Think back to the media frenzy last April as deaths climbed inexorably towards 1,000 per day and then imagine the firestorm that would have faced the Government had there been no lockdown and a more Swedish approach adopted.
What the writer forgets to mention is that the Netherlands did vaccinate animals.
All vaccinated animals were then slaughtered because the Netherlands did not want to destroy their export industry
I was farming in Cumbria at the time. The PMs office contacted the vets at Carlisle to ask whether the farmers would do vaccination. The vets phoned farmers, I was one. The suggestion was that all cattle and then perhaps all sheep in Cumbria would be vaccinated. The problem is that milk from vaccinated cows has to be pasturised twice before it can be allowed out of the area (OIE regulations) and no dairy company in Cumbria would volunteer to do this because nobody would buy the milk. The government was asked to buy it for the armed forces (along with the meat which has to be treated differently as well under OIE regulations) Government refused to do this
So effectively vaccinating cows would have meant the farmer vaccinating them would bankrupt themselves because they couldn’t sell their produce
Because I, like a lot of other farmers, didn’t want to end up bankrupt and homeless, we said no to vaccination
It would be interesting to see the author’s response to these points.
The author does mention vaccination, read the last line.
But not the after-effects!
So what was the problem in the end?Science or markets?
Both. The OIE set very high standards. It was impossible at the time to test a vaccinated animal and work out whether it is vaccinated or has the disease.
Also because a high proportion of FMD outbreaks have been vaccine breakdowns, (or vaccine escapes) the OIE set very high standards for what must be done with milk and meat products from those animals to ensure they do not inadvertently spread the disease. Unless you live in a country where FMD is endemic, it is effectively financially unviable to meet those standards and find paying customers.
I remember driving from Manchester Airport on the way to the family home in Cumbria at the end of August 2001 after an absence of some eight months. Something struck me as odd about a journey I’d done dozens of times over nearly 20 years, but it wasn’t until I reached Tebay that I realised that I hadn’t seen a single animal in a field throughout the entire journey. It was quite chilling.
It was a nightmare.
I remember in 2002 going to Westmoreland show and people comparing it to ‘last year’s show.’
There hadn’t been a last years show, it had been cancelled. But they had effectively blotted the whole of 2001 from their minds as the only way of coping with it.
One of the best articles that I have had the privilege of reading here. I remember it well and it was the most awful time (I am from a farming family). What happened in 2001 should have taught us not to rely on statistical modelling or the opinions of those who have no specialist knowledge of the subject at hand – which seems to be a Ferguson speciality. And indeed, not to trust the state to do the right thing; that is why we tussled our way to freedom for 400 years.
Thumbs up.
I’m so sorry you had to live through that. Blair is a psychopath and Ferguson has some weird additional Messiah complex. Thank you for putting yourself through the dreadful task of describing that time again, it is important that we never forget it. I think reporting on it had a very
profound effect on Peter Hitchens and has helped him to see far more clearly than his fellows what is going on today.
I have been watching the Adam Curtis documentaries The Century of the Self and The Trap, this weekend. Certainly the obsession with the mathematical models and game theory that so influenced Clinton and Blair have a great deal to answer for. Down with academics and politicians who think academics have the answers!
Looking from the other side of the Irish Sea, I recall how smug the Irish media were about the performance of Bertie Aherne’s government here at the time in comparison to Tony Blair’s response. Just recall the agricultural lobby was relatively much more powerful on both sides of the border in Ireland at the time, and I only recall one recorded outbreak in the Republic and three in Northern Ireland at the time. However the writer’s depiction of armed troops on patrol in the English countryside reminds me the Dublin satirical magazine The Phoenix took a pot shot at the Irish Defence Forces at the time which was something like an Irish joke. The Army Ranger Wing, which are the special force in the Irish Army, were dispatched to the Cooley Penninsula to cull the feral goats there – Cooley is just south of the border on the Irish Sea coast and the four outbreaks I refer to all took place in proximity. What the well-trained, well paid members of the ARW were not prepared for was how wild goats had learned were the border was and what it meant to them through the Troubles which had only come to an end a few years before. A few of the goats were killed, but the rest charged to the safety of Northern Ireland where the Irish Army elite could not follow. I don’t think the citizens of any civilised state expect the men at arms they fund to be deployed against defenceless animals.
Maybe we have to ask ourselves why democratic governments take action and justify policies on models and forecasts that are unlikely to be “right”. The problem is an electorate that expect them to “do something”. We are treated like infants because we don’t want to accept the reality that life is uncertain. This problem has come to a head with SARs-cov-2 and won’t go away until the increasing numbers of middle-aged vulnerable (on medication for metabolic disorders) take more interest in their health, questioning their descent into ever more drug dependence.
Thumbs up.
Just before FMD broke out I was seconded to work within government. I was told to go along to MAFF for a briefing and witnessed Sir Richard Wilson (head of the civil service) introducing a brigadier and telling them, in no uncertain terms, ‘we are working with the military on this (cull) but let me be clear , you do as he says.’ I was new to working with civil servants but thought something must have gone very wrong. I spent the next 5 years, and particularly the response to 9/11, witnessing the dangerous mix of arrogance, ignorance and incompetence of the civil service. Blair had got rid of the old off-message impartial civil servants and replaced them with new labour clones, who are still there today. We can blame the politicians and the academics but at the heart of the rot is the civil service who have never learned any lessons where they cocked up because they always find someone else to blame. Just look at Grenfell – the root cause was Prescott changing rules and responsibilities within his remit, but the inquiry hasn’t even considered it yet as there are easier targets to blame e.g. the fire service.
In deepest West Wales it was a fact to many farmers that the disease was spread by heroic ‘news reporters’ racing from one farm to the next sneaking ‘undercover’ to get the latest entertaining pictures of slaughtered animals.
In my area they did not arrive! Why? Well they were told at the border that if they tried to access any farms they wouldn’t be leaving. A bit strong, and you may think melodramatic and this article tried to paint a real situation that was totally unnecessary and led by spineless ignorant cretins. Rural people are brought up with animal deaths, not likeable but this evil period was sick beyond words
Who ignored and exacerbated this? (or tried to). The world’s leading broadcaster. Yes the BBC.
Charlatan of the century?
Professor Neil Fergusson.
Apocalyptic predictions on CJD, Foot and Mouth and Sars-Cov-2.
Scenario from the infamous “550,000 deaths if we do nothing” Imperial Report No 9 :
Table 4 which shows a series of possible scenarios with different restrictions in place.
For an R of 2.4 with case isolation + social distancing + home quarantine + school / university closure worst death scenario is 39,000 over 2 years – not exactly apocalyptic given how things have turned out
People should take the time to read the original sources – the actualite is always more nuanced and interesting than what is spewed out by most news outlets (read Jim above)
And very interesting post in the comments in an interesting article at https://www.independentsciencenews.org/commentaries/why-china-and-the-who-will-never-find-a-zoonotic-origin-for-the-covid19-pandemic-virus/ (Independent Science News) about how strange it is that the WHO seem determined to deny the possibility of Covid having escaped from a lab.
“On this day 20 years ago foot and mouth disease was first noted in pigs at a slaughterhouse in Essex, initiating what eventually became one of the biggest foot and mouth disease epidemics in history. The official inquiry into the epidemic was published in 2002 (Lessons to be Learned Inquiry Report, July 2002). This report states that ”The exact source of the FMD virus implicated in the UK outbreak will never be known.”. The chief veterinary officer concluded on the origin of the virus that ”The source of the virus for the 2001 epidemic was most probably infected or contaminated meat or meat products but it is unlikely that the origin of this material or the route by which it entered the UK and reached Burnside Farm will ever be identified”. Alternative theories of the origin of the virus were considered but, surprisingly, the possibility of a lab leak from the Pirbright Institute was not mentioned at all. Considering that the virus was almost identical to a strain isolated in South Korea in 2000, that this lineage was geographically restricted to countries in the Far East and that this virus was present at Pirbright and also being studied in animal experiments, it is surprising that the possibility of an accidental escape from the laboratory was not addressed in the official inquiry. An limited outbreak of foot and mouth disease virus in UK in 2007 was confirmed to be caused by accidental escape of virus from Pirbright. Therefore, given that it happened in 2007, it is retrospectively of concern that such a possibility was not considered in 2001.”
It was late 2019 and I was one of the audience listening to a lecture in Camberley.
Subject: Climate Change….. As predicted by computer models.
Lecturer: Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Physics… From Imperial College.
The great thing about predicting climate change is that you won’t be around in 2100 when your forecasts mature. And by then everyone will long have forgotten that you ever existed.
Regrettable Imperial and Mr Ferguson has a long and undistinguished history of this sort of thing
“Many tried to make Tony Blair see reason…”
Always a difficult task, on any subject.
SAGE, DHSC, PHE and Imperial are all useless and the damage caused unnecessary damage to our society.
“Bonfire of the sanities”. Brilliant.
I loved it too. I recall some Argentine guy commenting that the way the British government handled F&M in 2001 was simply proof that we have too much money. Or too much in Government hands.
Computer models-“Garbage in-garbage out”. Computer models that are used in predicting the “coming climate disaster” (always coming, never arriving) cannot “predict” past weather when fed all known information.
It still surprises me that anyone would listen to anything the morons at imperial college would come out with, governments should automatically discount what these idiots spout
A new fusion of tech, media and government has cast its nets over us. It gained ground with FMD and now it’s blossomed with Covid-19. But we’re smart, right? We can find a way out of this maze? Nope. We like to think of ourselves as the animal who uses tools—language, ideas, computer models. But tools use us. The unappetizing submission of computer geeks like Neil Ferguson to this ugly fate is what makes them prosper in times like ours. Deep down they see that we abhor the stench of burning animals less than we revel in the sheer technological marvel of our divine overlord—computer code.
A new fusion of tech, media and government has cast its nets over us. It gained ground with FMD and now it’s blossomed with Covid-19. But we’re smart, right? We can find a way out of this maze? Nope. We like to think of ourselves as the animal who uses tools—language, ideas, computer models. But tools use us. The unappetizing submission of computer geeks like Neil Ferguson to this ugly fate is what makes them prosper in times like ours. Deep down they see that we abhor the stench of burning animals less than we revel in the sheer technological marvel of our divine overlord—computer code.
The parallels to the handling of the COVID situation are uncanny. I think the next step is shooting all the potentially infected humans.