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The American Dream that failed With Western democracy in chaos, John Rawls's utopia remains vanishingly elusive

Is the American Dream over? Credit: Matt McClain/The Washington Post via Getty Images

Is the American Dream over? Credit: Matt McClain/The Washington Post via Getty Images


January 19, 2021   6 mins

Imagine being given the power to design your ideal society, in which you will spend the rest of your days. But there’s a catch. You don’t know who you are. Male or female? Black or white? Rich or poor? Christian, Muslim or Jew? The much-loved child of a contented family, or a frightened refugee from a broken home?

Given this “veil of ignorance”, drifting unmoored from history, what would you choose? A cutthroat, greedy glorified casino? A land structured by the hierarchies of class, wealth, race and gender? An egalitarian but oppressive East German dictatorship? Or, more plausibly, some kind of Scandinavian-style social democracy, in which the strong and ambitious have room to rise, but there’s a well-provisioned welfare state for the weak and unlucky?

Such, in very simplistic terms, is the argument developed in John Rawls’s seminal book A Theory of Justice, which was published exactly fifty years ago this month. For many readers, it remains the last genuinely great work of Anglo-American philosophy, an enduring guide to the principles behind a good society. In the United States it sold an estimated 300,000 copies, though how many readers made it all the way through is an unanswerable question. And almost overnight, it turned Rawls into the leading champion of liberal democratic pluralism, apparently reconciling individual liberty and social good, freedom and fairness, aspiration and responsibility.

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That was Rawls in January 1971. Half a century on, what went wrong? In the academy, Rawls retains a high position. Even though his book has been challenged, philosophy students and professors across the English-speaking world still speak his name with awe. Yet the values he came to represent – justice, fairness, decency, pluralism – have rarely seemed so embattled. Perhaps, in some parallel universe, Hillary Clinton is currently hosting a White House event to mark Rawls’s legacy. Not in our own, though. Instead, in an irony of exquisite cruelty, the anniversary of Rawls’s most famous work coincided with the gravest crisis in American democracy since the Civil War: an orgy of violence at the United States Capitol actively encouraged by President Trump.

“President Trump”. To Rawls – a shy, gentlemanly, scholarly man, who taught for four decades at Harvard and died in 2002 – those two words would surely have been utterly unimaginable, the antithesis of everything he held dear. But of course philosophy – just like history, social science, art and culture – reflects the age in which it was written. And Rawls’s world, to put it bluntly, is dead. He may be about to exit the White House, but we live in Trump’s world now.

Rawls’s life tells the wider story. He was born in Baltimore in 1921. In those days his hometown was a handsome and enormously successful port, railroad hub and manufacturing city – a far cry from the drug-scarred wasteland depicted in The Wire. The son of a well-known local lawyer, he lost two of his brothers in childhood to diphtheria and pneumonia – a reminder of the fragility of life in pre-New Deal, pre-Great Society America. And he grew up in an environment suffused with understated religious belief, studying theology at Princeton and seriously considering entering an Episcopalian seminary.

Yet the single biggest influence on Rawls was the Second World War. He served in the infantry in the Pacific and endured days under fire in the trenches in the Philippines. According to one account, the future philosopher found this particularly traumatic because he and his comrades knew it would end in torrents of blood: the Japanese would never surrender and would take no prisoners. “One soldier in a dugout close to Rawls stood up and deliberately removed his helmet to take a bullet to the head,’ it says, ‘choosing to die rather than endure the constant barrage.” That was not all. A few weeks after the war ended, Rawls was sent to Hiroshima. There he gazed upon the ruins of what had once been a thriving city, the ultimate demonstration of man’s power for destruction. Some fifty years later, he was still haunted by the sight.

For the next quarter-century, however, Rawls lived in a world that was demonstrably getting better. It is hard to think of any society, at any time, that has ever matched the dynamism, optimism and cultural confidence of the United States in the 1950s and 1960s – the years of booming suburbs and jangling jukeboxes, drive-in movies and Technicolor blockbusters, Vladimir Nabokov and Marilyn Monroe, the civil rights movement, the Apollo missions and the New Frontier. This was the world in which Rawls moved to Harvard and began work on his great work. The articles flowed: “Justice as Fairness”, “The Sense of Justice”, “Distributive Justice”, laying the foundations for the behemoth to come.

Later, critics complained that Rawls had been too kind to his own society, his own time. He was too comfortable, they said, too moderate. He assumed too much common ground; he had produced an elegant justification for the liberalism of his class. As the New Republic’s Linda Hirshman later put it: “Just close your eyes, Rawls said, and think of what kind of political society you would make if you didn’t know who you were … and you’d produce unlimited free speech and moderately redistributive capitalism.” In Hirshman’s words, “this white male Harvard professor closed his eyes and produced the government of Cambridge, Massachusetts”.

Even if that’s true, can you blame him? In the mid-1960s, if you had asked most people around the world where and when they would choose to be born, where they would take their chances behind a veil of ignorance, they would probably have chosen the United States of John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson. In the richest, most powerful country on earth, the latter’s Great Society was transforming the lives of millions, offering a hand-out to those who needed it. Unemployment was a thing of the past, inflation not yet a pressing concern. Americans drove American cars, and they always would. Things could only get better. In this context, why wouldn’t you assume that given the right liberal principles, people would inevitably find their way to a fairer society?

But in January 1971, when A Theory of Justice reached the shelves, the wheels were coming off. This was Richard Nixon’s America now: more abrasive, more divided, more anxious about the future. The carnage in Vietnam was taking a heavy toll. The shambles of Watergate, the last time sensible people were seriously worried about a presidential coup, would deal a severe blow to the image of American democracy. The OPEC oil shock, the widening fissures of race and gender, the growing anxieties about crime and pornography, the sense of a chasm between the “elites” and the “people”, even the first glimmers of a technological revolution that would destroy millions of jobs worldwide – all these things were taking shape in Nixon’s America, at the very moment of Rawls’s intellectual triumph. Even Donald Trump was taking his first steps into the Manhattan real estate market.

The decades since then, spanning the lifetime of anybody under the age of fifty, have not been kind to the assumptions with which Rawls grew up. In 1971 it was reasonable to think that with the advances of the civil rights and feminist movements, social solidarity would become stronger, not weaker. As rising affluence closed the gap between rich and poor, people would become more aware of what they had in common. And the new gospel of court-protected human rights – of which Rawls is often seen as a champion – would ensure even the weakest were treated fairly and equally. All perfectly sensible expectations. All wrong.

Perhaps the biggest thing, though, is simply a question of style. When critics discuss Rawls today, they almost always mention that he was a middle-class, Ivy League-educated white man. In radical circles, the value that he personified above all – a quiet, reserved, urbane civility – is now treated as fake, inauthentic, a marker of privilege. Even that brilliant image of the “veil of ignorance” is now used to beat him. “Eyes Wide Shut: John Rawls’s Silence on Racial Injustice” reads the title of one blistering academic essay. “He placed many layers of muffling abstraction between his readers and real-world struggles for justice,” complains another critic. “Rawls was so deeply in the grip of white ignorance about the centrality of racism and white supremacy to the creation of the modern Western world,” the black philosopher Charles W. Mills recently explained, that black students who dream of change “will get no help from white Rawlsianism”.

So much, then, for one of the greatest philosophers the New World has ever produced. There’s plenty of time for a comeback, of course, and A Theory of Justice will surely never go out of print. But will the next fifty years be kinder to Rawls? Probably not. The next half-century is unlikely to be an age of self-confident liberal pluralism: quite apart from the strongmen in Russia, China, Turkey and Iran, American democracy itself has rarely seemed in weaker health. And the common ground, the tolerance and decency for which Rawls stood, seems vanishingly elusive.

One story says it all. Last autumn, while the staff of the New York Times were tearing themselves apart about the Black Lives Matter movement and the growing violence in America’s streets, one columnist circulated a copy of Rawls’s essay on public reason. “What we’re having is really a philosophical conversation, and it concerns the unfinished business of liberalism,” she wrote. “I think that all human beings are born philosophers, that is, that we all have an innate desire to understand what our world means and what we owe to one another and how to live good lives.”

“Philosophy schmosiphy,” one of her colleagues wrote back. “We’re at a barricades moment in our history. You decide: which side are you on?”


Dominic Sandbrook is an author, historian and UnHerd columnist. His latest book is: Who Dares Wins: Britain, 1979-1982

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Terry Needham
Terry Needham
3 years ago

“President Trump…. those two words would surely have been utterly unimaginable, the antithesis of everything he held dear…”

Yeah, yeah, Trump this, Trump that.
Look. I don’t have to be a supporter of Trump(I am emphatically not) to find myself wearied by the assumption that he is worse than his opponents. Because he is not – They are as bad as each other.
When you can get your head around that rather obvious truth, you might have something worth saying.

Josh Cook
Josh Cook
3 years ago
Reply to  Terry Needham

Maybe one day you’ll have something worth saying too.

Terry Needham
Terry Needham
3 years ago
Reply to  Josh Cook

Probably not Josh, and neither will you.
You see Josh, you and I are just chatting on a forum.

George Lake
George Lake
3 years ago
Reply to  Terry Needham

Your wrong I’m afraid.
JK ‘is spoiling for a fight’.
First a polite dig at Fraser Bailey, then a little more belligerent towards yourself.

However, so far he has said nothing of substance in this conversation, and probably can’t/won’t.

Mark Anderson
MA
Mark Anderson
3 years ago
Reply to  Terry Needham

Well said. I abhor that guy, but I’m more appalled at the media’s lack of balanced reporting. At length I find myself defending the guy.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
3 years ago
Reply to  Terry Needham

I can agreed that a President Trump seemed improbable. But he struck a nerve in American politics – drain the swamp had great appeal to many. He was just saying something with great appeal. But not just Trump but worldwide we see a populist trend to correct governments that dismiss the majority (their voters) in favor of special interests and, of course, themselves. The temporary swing back to Biden will fail unless those populist issues are accommodated. Early indications suggest they will not so the pendulum will swing again. Progressive politics pretends much but does little.

Starry Gordon
SG
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  Hardee Hodges

Any actual progressivism is going to excite the donor class, who will then pay to have the threat removed. Biden and the Democratic Party establishment are conservatives; therefore, as Biden himself said, ‘Nothing fundamental will change.’ I suppose it’s possible that a three-party system will emerge from the present confusion: a ‘centrist’ (conservative) party, a Left populist party, and a Right populist party. The ruling class, some of whom read history, may now be more afraid of the Right populists than they are of the leftists.

Warren T
Warren T
2 years ago
Reply to  Hardee Hodges

It is truly astonishing that one 4 year term of a non-politician as POTUS can be used as a proxy for everything that is wrong with America. Completely forget about the 50 year political careers of Biden, Pelosi and many others.
And to even suggest that the January 6th incident should be discussed in the same context as the U.S. Civil War is utterly insulting to anyone with a critically thinking brain. That single statement disqualified this author as anything more than a CNN-addicted imbecile. (Sorry for the negative comment, but one has to draw the line when such drivel is annunciated)

James Benjamin
JB
James Benjamin
3 years ago

“an orgy of violence at the United States Capitol actively encouraged by President Trump.”

Well that’s a lie.

Kathy Prendergast
Kathy Prendergast
3 years ago
Reply to  James Benjamin

Agreed. It’s a lie or at least a grotesque exaggeration on both counts. The final quotation in the article though does encapsulate chillingly what’s happened in the mainstream media. The fanatical, totalitarian mindset has taken over. They don’t want a discussion or debate anymore; they want to tear things down and punish those who show the slightest reluctance to join in the carnage. I’ve read quite a bit about what happened in China in the 1960s and it’s frighteningly similar.

Fraser Bailey
FB
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Jimmy Dore has just encapsulated it perfectly on Tucker Carlson: “You got Trump because neo-liberalism failed. And now they are censoring you because they won’t accept that neo-iiberalism failed”.

nigel roberts
nigel roberts
3 years ago
Reply to  James Benjamin

The author has clearly never witnessed an orgy of violence. Jan 6 was more like a chimps’ tea party than an insurrection.

Hardee Hodges
Hardee Hodges
3 years ago
Reply to  nigel roberts

The collected videos on propublica’s website show a crowd whipped into a mob, but generally not extremely unruly as a mob can be. Seeing seniors walking around the Capital building looking mildly confused can’t compare to the burning of buildings in other riots. There seemed a respect for the building by most. What the crowd wanted was a non-partisan explanation of what they have been told was illegitimate. Until that truth arrives for the public, Mr Biden’s win remains contested.

Tony Reardon
Tony Reardon
3 years ago

“… he lost two of his brothers in childhood to diphtheria and pneumonia ““ a reminder of the fragility of life in pre-New Deal, pre-Great Society America.”
Surely more a reminder of pre-antibiotic world rather than a pre-welfare state. As the family of a prominent lawyer, it is unlikely that poverty was a contributor to these deaths.

7882 fremic
7882 fremic
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Reardon

This is a Liberal Lefty writer giving us Liberal Lefty take on reality. The problem in USA is the groups have different abilities, differing cultural drives to education, different drives to wealth, and on an on. Say the Nation was based on success at sports determining your success in life. the ones with the ability, talent, and endless work at perfecting their game would prevail, the rest not and all would be stratified.

Parent-less people with a culture of being uncooperative in school and not doing homework, prevalence in acquiring crime history, and not being in the levels of talent in skilled work, they can never be made to be the ones who win in our system. They are self defeating and nothing can be done till the culture and parents are changed.

Sure, pick Sweden, but then you also have to populate it with Swedes, as they are rapidly discovering, for it to be what it is.

Daniel Björkman
Daniel Björkman
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

You’re quite right, we are indeed better than you. I’m surprised to hear you admit it, though.

Of course, one of the ways we’re better than you is that we don’t go around declaring – in painfully transparent language – how awesome we are for having white skin. Maybe since you admire us so much, you could try to emulate us there?

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago

Why would you be surprised that a homogeneous culture has fewer problems than one like the US? It’s not about skin color; one could say the same about Japan or South Korea.

If we were to emulate you, the first task would be looking like you. Good luck with that. Then comes the rest of the cultural overhaul. We have people who lose their minds over a white girl wearing a kimono or something equally ridiculous, so emulation is a long ways off.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

I am sure the Swedes think they have terrible problems as well. After all, a current icon of troublemaking, Greta Thunberg, often execrated in this and similar forums, is a Swede.

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

You’re right, about that. How well do Serbs, and Croats, get along? Is anybody going around extolling, the remarkable present-day successes of social-democratic state of Yugoslavia?

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago

Nobody does that. Have you ever visited the United States?

(The “awesomeness”, for quite a very long time now – has been all, entirely – about how extraordinarily wonderful, all, as it’s held to be dignified and polite and proper and only acceptable to say, these days – Colorful People, purportedly {whether, by the same people, in actual practice, or not – is a different question} are held to be – and how guilt-ridden, all non-wealthy “whites”, and “whites” “from the wrong zipcodes”, should be…)

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

50 years from now, writers like that guy and activists will be saying the same things they are saying now. None of the cultural components you cite will be addressed. If anything, anyone pointing them out will be vilified. The States have one group that actively glorifies the worst actors in the group, and everyone else acts like that’s okay. Really?

We are more than a half-century removed from ‘colored only’ anything, yet people today seriously claim that 1) nothing has changed and 2) that their lives are somehow more difficult than those of past generations. Worse is that these claims are given credence.

Martin Butler
Martin Butler
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

Not clear what you are saying- but the idea that all can be winners is of course nonsense. A society has to deal with people who haven’t got much drive, who don’t have great talents etc. The Rawlsian way is to at least allow them to have modest jobs that pay the rent, which would allow them to bring up kids safely, have some sort of security, with some universal system of affordable health care. The US fails at this so the reaction gets very ugly. That’s why US is slowly turning into a 3rd world country with a massive military – us Europeans are agasp! Let’s hope Biden can rescue the place.

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

Yeah, well – we also pick up a lot of the tab for your own military security… Might not last – it’s one of the things that outgoing President, has challenged…

andrea bertolini
andrea bertolini
3 years ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

“Us Europeans are agasp:” that many Europeans are shocked by the tribalization of the US is probably true, but “us Europeans” means nothing. There is no such category: there are Finns, Italians, Belgians, Portugiese, etc., all with their own traditions and history and, fortunately, fairly stable national states. And that’s the main difference: in Europe we have nations, in the US we have, increasingly, tribes. And what happens to a country made up of warring tribal groups is a matter of record.

Joseph McCord
JM
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

Rawls is very worth reading. It isn’t propaganda, or ideology. Whatever “conclusions” the book reaches, are only tentative ones – it’s the basic thought-experiment that it invites you to undertake, that’s interesting – and the further minutiae of reasoning, that go along with it. All of those arguments can be made, from within the mode of reasoning in the Rawls book, that’s being referred to. It isn’t, in any way, the final say on political thinking – or something – and there are various ways of criticizing the starting premise – but, after all – the book, itself, is philosophy…

What you’re more missing the point of – is the rejection of Rawls, apparently (and, even – of philosophy, in general?) – by so many extremist -tards, of the present day…

There was a time – when we could have reasoned and reasonable discussions, about liberal philosophical approaches to thinking about society, and conservative philosophical approaches to thinking about society – but it appears that many on the present-day “left” are throwing away, or burning, what might otherwise be one of their greatest “assets” – if anything, even in academia – were still a matter of reasoned philosophical thinking… I think, that that, is the first and foremost point of the article. The concluding paragraphs – are meant to evoke a kind of shudder of horror – because, after all, it’s reasoning, altogether – and reasonable discourse – that’s being thrown out the window – regardless, of which philosopher – or what have you…

mccool0211
mccool0211
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

I think you may be missing the key point that the vial of ignorance seeks to address. If you don’t know which abilities you will be born with and if you agree that you played no role in collecting these abilities then you will design a society that is fair for everyone.

If you want to blame “parentless people” for their initial position in society then you need not worry about the outcome of such an experiment as you are rejecting its original premise.

Alex Lekas
AL
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Tony Reardon

How someone can continue to defend the Great Society is beyond me. Its chief accomplishment was the destruction of the black family, but that’s what happens when a govt check replaces the father in the home. That’s sure turned out well for the country.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

The Great Society was an attempt by the ruling class of the time to stay on top of the Civil Rights / Black Liberation movements. As in Bismarck’s Germany, one way to do this is to pay off some of the downtrodden and elevate others into the ruling class as window dressing. The alternative in the US was race-based civil war, as in Yugoslavia and Rwanda. I’d say the Great Society worked fairly well within its context. It is true the Black family and local Black social structures were softened up by Welfare. That was its purpose. We live in much different times now; the designation of the non-White as subhuman has become unthinkable by normally intelligent people. It wasn’t before the 1960s. When I was growing up in the 1940s and ’50s in liberal northern New Jersey, practically every older person I knew was an overt, convinced racist. Since human beings do not like being permanently subordinated, that couldn’t last, and it didn’t. And it can’t be restored.

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

I would hardly call any of it, just “window dressing”.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph McCord

If the class structure remains the same, I don’t think sprinkling a few Black and Latin faces into the hierarchy does much of anything. I’m talking here about the Great Society only. Affirmative Action and ‘Black Capitalism’ (Nixon’s projects) probably brought about more serious social changes.

Derek M
Derek M
3 years ago

“an orgy of violence at the United States Capitol actively encouraged by President Trump” For someone who is a historian to make such a claim he should have evidence to back it up; there isn’t any

“The shambles of Watergate, the last time sensible people were seriously worried about a presidential coup” – What sensible people are these?

The author uses an attempt at a pseudo-intellectual essay on Rawls to indulge his own prejudices. Perhaps he should stick to mass producing pop history

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  Derek M

It’s, otherwise – a pretty good short-essay on Rawls…

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago

an orgy of violence at the United States Capitol actively encouraged by President Trump.
that’s going to require a citation. Absent one, I have to conclude the author is either grossly misinformed or blatantly lying. The irony is that this pearl-clutching comes almost four years to the day when people uptight over “President Trump” descended on DC and 200 of them were arrested for rioting. There are pictures of that for those whose memories conveniently erase parts of history.

And the common ground, the tolerance and decency for which Rawls stood, seems vanishingly elusive.
Well, let’s see: we have govt outsourcing the job of Ministry of Truth to various tech companies who are aided by much of the media. We have enemies lists being assembled because you cannot have “tolerance and decency” without purges, deprogramming, or as ABC’s political director put it, a ‘cleansing’ of those nasty, filthy, horrible people who are not lined up obediently behind Joe.

7882 fremic
7882 fremic
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

The top line you quoted should have appeared in the article in green ink, I would like to see this done more on online Press, it would be so easy and we could then instantly know it was a ‘frothing lunatic’ bit dropped in gratuitously.

Andrew Harvey
Andrew Harvey
3 years ago

the first glimmers of a technological revolution that would destroy millions of jobs worldwide

Technology has not destroyed American jobs. That’s complete nonsense. Globalization, in no small part encouraged and excused by Rawls’s woolly liberalism, has shipped those jobs overseas.

In the real world, you have Harvard-educated private equity managers shipping American jobs overseas as fast as they can, all the while patting themselves on the back thinking how enlightened they are because they read Rawls as an undergrad and are making China or Mexico a better place to live, with all of this being encouraged by Harvard-educated Democratic politicians who read Rawls as a undergrad and think that making China or Mexico a better place to live is a great thing. The fact that they are destroying the US in the process never enters their thinking.

David Stuckey
David Stuckey
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Harvey

Actually if you read a number of economic analyses in the last few years in the US, the conclusion is that ~80% of American jobs were lost due to automation, and 20% through globalisation. Surprising but true. I am no great fan of globalisation (although it has its up sides), however, I am not a fan of the way the benefits of globalisation are distributed, ie most to the rich (owners of capital), and very little to labour.

7882 fremic
7882 fremic
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stuckey

Work From Home will soon cause 50% of drudge computer based jobs to offshore. The cost of a Western employee is half wage (and overseas folk will take half that) and half costs like pension, taxes, health, infrastructure, holidays, maternity leave, and on and on, this will be almost zero to overseas contractors working from their home..

A guy in Manila, Mumbai, Wuhan (why not, they caused this WFH, why not get every possible benefit from it) working from their hone, and at 1/4 the cost they, will get it. It was the office, protected by needing work visas, which kept our middle class on their $100,000 salary – say goodby to that, like making TVs, it is all going to offshore. What will this stooge writer say of that?

Colin Haller
Colin Haller
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stuckey

One of the most recent papers published on the IMF blog comes to exactly the opposite conclusion. Here’s the final paragraph:
“The conventional wisdom of much economic punditry has comforted the elite for many decades by proclaiming that the wage stagnation of the past four decades was simply the unfortunate by-product of economically progressive forces, such as globalization and automation. The prima facie case for an automation explanation has been lacking for two decades: college graduate wages have faltered, and the rate of automation has been historically low. Globalization could have been handled differently. Moreover, this comforting narrative conveniently overlooks the superlative growth of income for executives and others in the top 1 percent, which did not result from their special skills or from automation. The policy debate in both parties has moved beyond this “automation-driven skills deficit” narrative, and there is now wide agreement that politics and policy will determine whether workers get a fairer share of economic growth.”

Colin Haller
Colin Haller
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Harvey

Precisely, Andrew. America’s oligarchs (and their busy underlings in the Professional Managerial Class) have been busy selling out their fellow blue-collar citizenry since at least the Powell Memo. You could do worse than to take a look at Judith Stein’s “Pivotal Decade” which outlines how the US State Department arranged asymmetrical trade agreements disadvantageous to US labor as part of its “containment of communism” project.
https://yalebooks.yale.edu/

Colin Haller
Colin Haller
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Harvey

Sorry — double post

Joseph McCord
JM
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Harvey

Again – I don’t know how much any at all of any of that has to do, with John Rawls…

I first, heard of him – in the 1990’s – when I used to be a reader of The Nation (liberal) weekly magazine (I’m not a liberal, anymore – but I still like John Rawls). Also – I think that Slick Willy Clinton himself, once mentioned him – or something?

My general impression is that there is nothing much more to any of this, than that the name “John Rawls” – because of his prestige, as an actual intellectual – is every now and then, trotted out, as “window dressing” – by Dimocrats – and, nothing, whatsoever more, than that. None of those people who use that name, in that way, have ever actually read him. John Rawls has never in fact, been at all influential – because he was an actual thinker.

So, let’s leave the poor well-meaning philosopher, alone – and not blame him for all of the ills of the present-day world…

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

“In the richest, most powerful country on earth, the latter’s Great Society was transforming the lives of millions, offering a hand-out to those who needed it.”

I normally like Dominic’s analyses, but this is just nonsense. As LBJ said at the time: “All the welfare we’re giving to the black community will buy their votes for the next 200 years”
And that’s exactly what happened, while destroying black families with the consequence that millions of young black men became criminals and ended up in jail. In a land of full employment why would you need hand-outs? And it was in order to pay for the so-called Great Society and Vietnam that Nixon took the dollar of the gold standard and we began the journey to Paper Money Collapse.

Josh Cook
JC
Josh Cook
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Fraser mate – please do a bit more reading before having such strong opinions.

7882 fremic
7882 fremic
3 years ago
Reply to  Josh Cook

‘The Welfare Trap’ has been the most horrible trick played on the Black People in 150 years, I know these inner city poor. Girls have children as a matter of course, like middle class girls going to university, it is just what is done. Then the male may not live with them. Section 8, the housing benefit, excludes them from living in the house in a myriad number of ways – too long to detail, but the fathers may not live with their children in most cases.

The neighborhoods become crime ridden as the males are mostly unemployable – school holds no interest for them, rather the opposite, doing badly is thought the right way to behave. They get criminal records (one of the things excluding them from Section 8) and dysfunction is the norm, marriage the exception (again a problem with section 8).

It is a trap as surely as the la Brea Tar Pits would snag a mastodon and bind it to its demise, and one which is virtually always handed down parent to child, again and again.

Michael Cowling
Michael Cowling
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

And giving council flats to unmarried mothers in the UK is a very similar welfare trap.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Josh Cook

What should he read? The single parent birth rate among black Americans before the Great Society was 20%, give or take. Today, it’s about five that with all of the predictable consequences that follow. Half the country’s homicides stem from 13% of the population and the victims are overwhelmingly black, too, but those lives clearly do not matter. They have no political value.

LBJ was right about one thing, though. The people he expected to vote Dem for 200 years are doing just that. It’s reflected in big city after big city, each of which has decades of unfettered one-party rule and a host of problems to show for it.

nigel roberts
nigel roberts
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

If you additionally factor in gender and age group, half the country’s homicides come from 3% of the population.

stephen f.
stephen f.
3 years ago
Reply to  Josh Cook

Josh-do a little more thinking before giving “advice”.

Ethniciodo Rodenydo
Ethniciodo Rodenydo
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

I think LBJ in his customary manner put it rather more crudely than that

Colin Haller
Colin Haller
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

“Paper Money Collapse” is a good slogan, but it’s hardly a substitute for an actual understanding of fiat monetary operations, now is it?

Saul D
Saul D
3 years ago

If you caricature different societies then its easy to pick the one you most like. In practice, all societies are trade-offs that have evolved historically in the to-ing and fro-ing of different interest groups (dialecticism you could say) and social learning and dealing with complex edge cases and events, including at times violence where process is lacking. Justice emerges from the compromise, or dies under more and more draconian laws. It cannot be imposed by saying one person’s rights and freedoms are more important than another’s. And compromises in one place or time, might not yet fit in another. Justice is a negotiation, not an imposition.

Philosophers play with truth and goodness like they are one-dimensional objects. In practice we are wandering through a landscape of possibilities full of hills and valleys, where people stand on one local maxima, ignoring the mountain on the horizon. Where choices come with costs and benefits, and courage and set-backs are needed to descend from the hill, in order to attain even higher ground. The founding fathers understood and built structures to prevent power accumulating in one place, then allow everyone to strive to achieve their potential.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Saul D

‘If you caricature different societies then its easy to pick the one you most like.’

Yes, but surely the Scandinavian/Dutch model that emerged in the post-war period was the best, all things considered. Of course, what the left doesn’t understand is that this model was failing in the 1980s (or the 1970s in the Netherlands) and is underpinned by a very efficient and even ruthless capitalism. And, of course, the model is now failing again in Sweden, whose welfare state is being overwhelmed by you-know-who.

Derek M
Derek M
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

You simply can’t have democracy and a welfare state in the western world and mass third world immigration. Unfortunately we’ve chosen the latter, or rather our leaders have

7882 fremic
7882 fremic
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

you-know-who are the wild card in any Liberal utopia. They must be included in substantial amounts or it is not Liberal, and also they they will be incompatible with success of the utopia. The whole fabricated philosophy of Liberalism is completely impossible.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

And yet liberalism with its economic system, capitalism, has defeated every other social order and movement on Earth.

Colin Haller
CH
Colin Haller
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

Capitalism doesn’t require liberalism, though one variant of it thrives thereunder.
Branko Milanovic describes this in his “Capitalism Alone” — a description of the only two political economies currently on offer, feudalism and communism having been consigned to history’s dustbin: Liberal Capitalism (USA as exemplar) and Authoritarian Capitalism (China as exemplar). He further claims that the challenge for both variants is to prevent the emergence of an hereditary plutocracy.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  Colin Haller

I don’t think capitalism can function without the associated liberal rights. In an authoritarian system, there is no competition and no recombination of business and projects. The result turns out to be a static and increasingly corrupt mandarinism. I think that’s what happened to the Soviet Union. China now seems to be headed down the same path, and maybe the US and other presently liberal states.

Andrew Eccles
AE
Andrew Eccles
3 years ago

The sub-heading here – Rawl’s utopia – is singularly unhelpful. The point of Rawls’ discussion was to explore the trade-offs involved between liberalism and social justice. His arguments might be regarded as unrealistic or misjudged – that’s very well rehearsed territory – but they were never in any sense ‘utopian’.

Kiran Grimm
Kiran Grimm
3 years ago

The modern world was created by white people but it seems the only thing we need to concern ourselves with is that the modern world is a racist creation for which whites should hang their heads in shame.

Eco-activists strenuously do their bit to “prove” that the modern developed world is nothing to be proud of and should be dismantled as quickly as possible (climate emergency y’know). Feminists chip in ““ the modern world is just the brutal product of white patriarchy.

Meanwhile, back at the barricades, conspicuously anti-racist academics are calling for change, urging change, demanding change, longing for change, believing in change. Yet what could that “change” possibly consist of when the cult of black suffering insists that blacks are exceptional, almost unique, victims of white supremacy? When black activists cling to that victimhood as a badge of honour? Integration with the despised whites? What (as political pundits like to say) is the endgame?

Andrew Harvey
Andrew Harvey
3 years ago
Reply to  Kiran Grimm

In fairness, he didn’t say that. You’ve mixed up the quotes.

Kiran Grimm
Kiran Grimm
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Harvey

You are correct. I made the wrong connection with the links in the article. Will edit my first comment.

Kiran Grimm
Kiran Grimm
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Harvey

The paragraph in question has quite an array of links to external pieces. Sandbrook describes “Eyes Wide Shut” by Ai-Thu Dang as a “blistering academic essay”. I have downloaded the pdf and it hardly seems to merit that. The author, Ai-Thu Dang, criticises Rawls failing to say enough about “systematic racism” in the US because he didn’t deem it important enough.

Charles W. Mills (whose quote I mistakenly attributed to Jedediah Britton-Purdy) offered this choice observation in the article linked to:
“The U.S. and Jamaica are vastly different in innumerable ways. But what they have in common is that they’re both former slave societies, built on the racial exploitation of African persons. Yet whereas this historical reality is very much part of everyday consciousness in Black-majority Jamaica, it has been suppressed in white-majority America. Hence the hostility to the “1619 Project” and the truths it’s telling, truths that many white Americans still refuse to hear.”

My previous comment about the cult of black suffering applies here too. Whatever you might say about America it is much more than just “a former slave society”.

stephen f.
stephen f.
3 years ago
Reply to  Kiran Grimm

Just for the record:
Nation number of slaves disembarked in West
i. Portugal/Brazil 5,099,815
ii. Great Britain 2,733,324
iii. France 1,164,967
iv. Spain/Uruguay 884,922
v. Holland 475.240
vi. America 252,652
a. 1600 thru 1775 (British America [not USA]) 103,986
b. 1776 to 1865 (USA) 148,666
1.. 1776 to 1787 (no Constitutional gov’t) 9,681
2. 1788 to 1807 (legal int’l trafficking) 128,043
3.. 1808 to 1865 (illegal int’l trafficking) 10.941
vii. Denmark/Baltic 91,733
-and 655,000 (total-all casualties) died in the civil war, fought to end the practice.

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  stephen f.

They were all purchased, in Africa. Somehow – this fact hardly ever seems, to get mentioned. Their destiny, in Africa – was already, to be slaves.

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  Kiran Grimm

Hardly, “suppressed” – when you can’t avoid hearing about it dozens of times, every day (and not, just – in recent years – either)…

7882 fremic
7882 fremic
3 years ago
Reply to  Kiran Grimm

Universities need ‘White Studies’ departments, in all fairness.

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

Why, not? What would be wrong, about that?

William Gladstone
William Gladstone
3 years ago

The context of the 60s/70s was more that there was an external very real soviet bloc and communist China threat to the western elites. The US had been beaten into space (although obviously eventually landed the first man on the moon) and was losing the Vietnam war. Those elites needed the people on their side so they liberalised. However liberalising i.e. giving up power ain’t comfortable to an elite so to break the impasse Nixon went to China and eventually through a few twists and turns of economics, geopolitics and intrigue the soviet bloc fell.

From that point on the western elites didn’t really have an external threat and they indeed cosyied up to China and the new Russia as well as eventually the ever enriching muslim world.

So now we have a global elite and the last thing they want is any real vestige of liberalism. Why should they especially when technology, 50 years of increasingly authoritarian legislation and fear mongering has put them more than ever in control.

7882 fremic
7882 fremic
3 years ago

The elites want and need Liberalism. It is the philosophy which will divide the peoples wile at the same time make the divisions someone else fault, thus spurring anger and disaffection and dis-cohesion. Liberalism sets the less able groups up to lose wile telling them they should win, and then ascribes their losing to the wilful actions of the winners. Global elites need disunity or the people will see then clearly as the cause of most Western problems and French Revolution them.

Starry Gordon
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

I think you’re using two different definitions of liberalism.

William Gladstone
WG
William Gladstone
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

I think you are right to a certain extent. Certainly causing division through woke ideology deflects us away from wealth and income inequality. Also though the belief that we are in a functioning liberal democracy motivates us as it could be worse (even if there is very little chance of social mobility or control of our lives) but also the elites make money from our belief we are free-ish e.g. consumer spending, social media etc. If we accepted reality no one would strive, and perhaps we would be more careful of any privacy we might have.

Ben
BP
Ben
3 years ago

How might Blair have put it – ‘Tough on Trump and tough on the causes of Trump.’
There are plenty of liberal academic commentators (whose salaries and pensions are quite secure) who are keen on the first but continue to ignore the second.
Unless the liberal establishments here and in the US acknowledge the huge cultural and economic divisions which exist and do something practical to address them, the rhetoric (and worse) will continue.

Alex Lekas
AL
Alex Lekas
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Some of us might argue that “liberal establishments” have done quite enough, thank you. They bear as much responsibility for having created the cultural and economic divisions as anyone else, making them a poor choice of conduit for a solution.

Ben
Ben
3 years ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

Indeed. A clear out of the augean stables is required with a totally new approach; small ‘c’ to replace large ‘L’.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Blair would have created ATBOs – Anti-Trump Behaviour Orders.

John Aronsson
JA
John Aronsson
3 years ago

Sandbrook writes:”an orgy of violence at the United States Capitol actively encouraged by President Trump.” and cites MB Doherty, a rather pretentious commentator currently employed by National Review, who has been grinding axes against anyone insufficiently in love with Mitch McConnell’s corrupt gang of millionaire hacks in the Senate..

Ya” got any film of this orgy? Sandbrook appears to be more of a propagandist than anything else.

Jeremy Poynton
Jeremy Poynton
3 years ago

“For many readers, it remains the last genuinely great work of Anglo-American philosophy, an enduring guide to the principles behind a good society.”

No. Scruton by a country mile.

B B
B B
3 years ago

“Philosophy schmosiphy,” one of her colleagues wrote back. “We’re at a barricades moment in our history. You decide: which side are you on?”

One of the sillier comments I ever hope to read. You only get to the barricades after life is bad. Life in North America is very good for everyone, even those poor and from a minority.

Ralph Hanke
Ralph Hanke
3 years ago

I think this article makes a fundamental error. Rawls major contribution is that he developed a theory of justice. Emphasis on theory. In other words he answered the question: how would we determine what constitutes justice? Emphasis on how.

In Rawls’ case, he proposed a humanistic, contractrarian foundation for justice that philosophy had not seen before. Another humanistic foundation can be found in feminist theory. A theistic approach can be found in the Koran where god tells us how to behave.

Rawls’ great contribution was to develop a contractarian foundation for justice.

Of substantially less import is what he thought a just society would look like. IMHO, that part of his tome never got off the ground to begin with.

His contractrarian approach, on the other hand, has a lot going for it and is well worth celebrating. But that is a much longer post.

Mark Lilly
ML
Mark Lilly
3 years ago

Here’s another Rawlsian thought experiment. Compare the plights of wives, lgbt people, those with disabilities, people of colour, professional women et al in 1960 and 2021. Sandbrook’s admitted erudition has led him to exactly the wrong conclusion.
Just one anecdote. In my early years (b.1950) it was quite common to hear women in the UK, observing a passing pram containing an illegitimate baby, say ‘look at that disgusting b*****d’ loud enough for the accompanying adult (usually mum) to hear. Very many things have improved.

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago

Here’s a quote, from the Charles Mills article linked to – in the above article –

“In political philosophy specifically, my main research area, it has produced such absurdities as John Rawls’s recommendation in the opening pages of “A Theory of Justice” that we should think of society as “a cooperative venture for mutual advantage” whose rules are “designed to advance the good of those taking part in it.” You can imagine my astonishment when I originally encountered this bizarre stipulation in my very first graduate course in political philosophy at the University of Toronto, especially since Jamaica at that time was fiercely caught up in a national debate about the colonial past and its legacy. Slavery? Colonialism? Racism? Indigenous genocide? A tad socially coercive, perhaps? How could these possibly be reconciled with such a theoretical prescription?”

Okay – but, dude… These are ideas – about speculating about what society, maybe should be like…

If you want to read a history book – then, read a history book.

—————————-

Does the phrase, “take a chill pill” – have any resonance, at all?

(It’s an American, colloquial phrase – sorry, if it doesn’t ring any bells… It basically amounts to speculating as to whether maybe someone could maybe be helped, by being prescribed some Valium, or something…)

ray.wacks
MN
ray.wacks
3 years ago

Nice piece, but you overlook the venom with which some feminists have attacked Rawls.

Frank Leigh-Sceptical
FL
Frank Leigh-Sceptical
3 years ago

‘the black philosopher Charles W. Mills recently explained, that black students who dream of change “will get no help from white Rawlsianism”.’

and yet the white viewpoint is the inherently racist one, apparently. Rawls’ real world and global experience surely enabled him to rise above questions of race so as to better concentrate on the issue of justice. Mills’ bile, on the other hand and preoccupied with race, is another example of the shallow, easy win to be had from race-baiting the ignorant and frustrated.

mike otter
mike otter
3 years ago

Mills is no different to any other racist, simply unable to understand that Rawls’ ideas
would have been recognised by most literate Roman citizens, many of whom were black, arab, jew etc etc

Alastair Romanes
Alastair Romanes
3 years ago

Rawls was able to rise above questions of race because they had no impact on his pretty comfortable life. Had Mills’s life been unmarked by racism, he too might have acquired the Olympian detachment you so admire in Rawls. But if he had, no one would pay him any attention, as indeed they no longer do Rawls

Joseph McCord
JM
Joseph McCord
3 years ago

The point of abstract philosophical thinking, is that it’s abstract philosophical thinking.

Take, let’s say – the Ten Commandments. Are they “prejudiced” – because they don’t mention, “race”? Or is the point of it all – that they’re supposed to be universal?

peter lucey
PL
peter lucey
3 years ago

“the United States of John F. Kennedy and Lyndon Johnson. In the richest, most powerful country on earth, the latter’s Great Society was transforming the lives of millions, offering a hand-out to those who needed it. Unemployment was a thing of the past, inflation not yet a pressing concern” …. “This was Richard Nixon’s America now: more abrasive, more divided, more anxious about the future. The carnage in Vietnam was taking a heavy toll. The shambles of Watergate, the last time sensible people were seriously worried about a presidential coup, would deal a severe blow to the image of American democracy. The OPEC oil shock, “

Sorry for the large quote, but problems Nixon had to fix were the product of 60s Democrats. The Vietnam build-up happened under LBJ – and the death toll horrendous -, and the mad spending on Nam, the moon project (and maybe the Great Society?) fuelled inflation as Nixon went off the gold standard and printed to fund it, Which is not to excuse Nixon, but be fair,,

Colin Haller
Colin Haller
3 years ago
Reply to  peter lucey

The inflation came from the allocation of real resources to all of the projects you listed — going off the gold standard was the solution to fund it.

Stephen Hoffman
Stephen Hoffman
3 years ago

America is so ridiculously naive and backward in philosophy it actually treats a “theory of justice” as a design blueprint for the future. American ingenuity triumphs again. Rawls is the inevitable result. Plato and Aristotle are laughing their guts out. I’m just laughing myself sick.

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago

It’s isn’t Rawls’, fault. It’s that nobody commenting here, seems to have actually read Rawls. It’s certainly, not a “blueprint” – it’s a mode of thinking…

Stephen Hoffman
Stephen Hoffman
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph McCord

You’re right. I’m unfair to Rawls. Thank philosophy professors in graduate school who were convinced Rawls’ work provided ammunition for the daily political warfare being fought in the trenches.

But Plato and Aristotle’s “theories of justice” are just one element in a rich, comprehensive and concrete Theory of Everything. Rawls theory of justice is hopelessly abstract and impoverished by comparison. Where is Rawls’ Physics, his De Anima, his Metaphysics?

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago

So glad, to get a philosophical conversation!

I definitely agree with you – about the importance, and the great value, of the Classics. As an undergraduate philosophy student – I didn’t at all, at first, understand this. I came to appreciate it, much more, later – as time went on…

However, I’ve also noticed that while there are many different “branches” of philosophy – not all, of even the great philosophers, actually cover all of them. So the fact that John Rawls is only known for social or political philosophy – I don’t think, is something that should be held against him.

I agree with you also, though, about any conception that this could provide any kind of “ammunition”. I don’t think that it’s at all meant, for that. In my opinion – it’s actually a very reflective and thought-provoking way of thinking – about the foundations of a political ethics… It’s one, more – potentially valid approach – in other words… Far from being “ammunition”, aimed at any particular target – it’s much more like Kant’s major treatise on ethics – only an attempt to examine a possible way of providing a foundation, for ethical thinking – in Rawls’ case, at least – in terms of political philosophy, specifically (although, I also think that that was largely what Kant had in mind). In that respect – I think that it’s an interesting contribution, to the genre. I don’t know, what some relatively more impoverished academics have made of it – I never ran into that, myself – but it seems to me like a pretty thought-provoking book (although not at all any kind of “last word”, on anything)…

Stephen Hoffman
SH
Stephen Hoffman
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph McCord

Your rare emphasis on Rawls as a philosopher (not a potential cabinet pick or policy wonk) is most welcome. But you use the word “classical” in a way that sounds dismissive to me. Aristotle and Plato are as relevant today as they were 25 centuries ago, not “classical,” like plates in a history of architecture.

Kant is another case in point. His Metaphysics of Morals and second Critique are only one small organic part of his overall philosophy. The foundation for the whole is laid in the ambiguities and tensions discovered and recorded in the interplay between the Transcendental Aesthetic and Transcendental Analytic in the first Critique.

In Kant “reason” is anything but taken-for-granted and unproblematic. Kant was a Humean skeptic par excellence. He exhibited the Greek genius for deep, unsentimental doubt found in such abundance in Plato and Aristotle. Doubt is the source of all freedom.

Rawls seems to me a puny, sentimental American innocent (“idealist”) in comparison to such giants. A sentimental rationalist, in short. He pined for a creed he could cling to in the aftermath of the second world war, something that would wash away his traumatic wartime memories and prevent anything like them from ever reoccurring.

We find a similar creed today in scientism and managerial expertise. Managers are caretakers of a supposed “Rawlsian” vision, which we fancy holds chaos at bay.

Annette Kralendijk
Annette Kralendijk
3 years ago

Utopia doesn’t exist?

George Lake
GL
George Lake
3 years ago

The Pax Romana?

Basil Chamberlain
Basil Chamberlain
3 years ago
Reply to  George Lake

Mr Lake, I put it to you that you are Mark Corby in disguise!

And perhaps you are Alice von Schlieffen too?

George Lake
George Lake
3 years ago

Yes indeed, guilty on both counts.

George Lake
GL
George Lake
3 years ago

A pity you rumbled me as I was planning to set up an acerbic debate between George Lake and Mark Corby.

7882 fremic
7882 fremic
3 years ago

I once lived in a small commune on the USA west coast in the early 1980s, and it was pretty much utopia, but work was impossible to find, a recession was raging there, and after I had collected every deposit discarded bottle and can from along the roadsides in a ten mile radius I had to pack up and hitch on. (they said I could stay free, but I did not want that) I look back to the times there as one of the happiest of my life.

Starry Gordon
SG
Starry Gordon
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

Some communes have survived by starting small and medium-sized businesses, for example Twin Oaks and Ganas. The Dukhobors in British Columbia got along pretty well until they were crushed by the provincial government. It can be done but it isn’t easy, and not everyone has a talent for communal living, especially given such projects are usually surrounded by a sea of hostility and incomprehension.

David George
David George
3 years ago
Reply to  Starry Gordon

What usually brings them down is the participants attachment to individualism.
Many people naively support collectivism but confronted with the reality of sacrificing the fruits of their labour, the elimination of their private property and their dreams to the collective and then submitting to the necessary restrictions is all too much, drenched as we are in belief in the sanctity and sovereignty of the individual, our rights, privacy and destiny.
Absent a strictly imposed order they tend to fall apart.
We have just such a highly successful community here in New Zealand, Gloriavale (look it up) but very few today would want to be part of it I guess. Works for some and the best of luck to them.

Frank Leigh-Sceptical
FL
Frank Leigh-Sceptical
3 years ago

‘”Philosophy schmosiphy,” one of her colleagues wrote back. “We’re at a barricades moment in our history. You decide: which side are you on?”’

you would hope she decided on the other side from this shallow, irrational, impatient, aggressive viewpoint.

Thanks Dominic for this insightful piece. More from you here, if you please.

mike otter
mike otter
3 years ago

Many of the ideas in Rawls theory of justice have been considered by thinkers long before him, but he did perhaps the best job yet of tidying and presenting them. He would be the first to admit that if carried out too literally equality of input will reduce overall outcome and end in the poverty and violence we associate with socialism. His was a thought experiment not an operators manual. Alongside his theory of justice was an adherance to US style constitutional
governance that IMO raises his work way over the likes of Hayek who wanted to tell politicians how to do their jobs.

Stephen Hoffman
Stephen Hoffman
3 years ago
Reply to  mike otter

The word “tidy” seems to sum up Rawls’ philosophy pretty neatly. All Rawls’ familiar borrowed ideas are arranged in nice, tidy patterns. Compare the torrent of second thoughts, hesitations and repetitions in Kant’s first Critique. “Tidiness” might be the most recognizable feature of minor, unimportant philosophers like Rawls.

Warren Alexander
WA
Warren Alexander
3 years ago

Liberalism tends to lose out when it clashes with realism.

Colin Haller
Colin Haller
3 years ago

It’s difficult to understand these sorts of statements when it’s not clear what definition of “liberal” or “liberalism” is intended?

Joseph McCord
JM
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  Colin Haller

Well – not, in the abstract, philosophical sense – “classical liberalism”, political philosophy, at all – but in terms of what in the present day, defines itself as the “liberal” end of the political spectrum… It has, most certainly – gone way way off the rails…

Jennifer Britton
Jennifer Britton
3 years ago

The Rawlsian society theory ignores one fundamental fact about Homo sapiens: they are not born as neurological blank slates. Hence, quite a few of them would, given their natal characters/dispositions, choose to have hyper competitive societies where there are social/economic winners and losers. They would would be unhappy in a Rawlsian world. George Wallace of Alabama, for instance, was able to stay in power for many years with his message that even poor whites would be satisfied with their meager existence as long as society placed them over black people. They tolerated severe economic deprivation and a do nothing political system because as long as blacks were losers, poor whites were winners. Of course, that attitude was an acquired trait for many. But as we all know, some people are born instinctively competitive just as others are born with musical ability, artistic ability, etc. A Rawlsian society appeals to me; it would never be satisfying to everyone. That said, Rawls’ A Theory of Justice is profound, though it’s ideal vision is beyond our achieving. Perhaps we need to suffer more and more devastating catastrophes to convince us to consider the necessity of Rawls’ wisdom.

mccaffc
mccaffc
3 years ago

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Frederik van Beek
Frederik van Beek
3 years ago

Although the veil of ignorance, as the backbone of distributive justice, is an abstract utopian state of mind, globalism is doing everything that is needed to produce the type of humans that can apply this veil of ignorance. The extremists from the rightside and the leftside of the spectrum still represent the need for authenticity and pluralism but their campaigns are already fully encompassed by a globalism that will either destroy them or turn them into a new kind of homo universalis with no signs of a character, ideology or authenticity whatsoever. The future generations will BE the veil of ignorance if the great reset will have its way. All will be equal and there will be nothing to choose from.

Frederik van Beek
FV
Frederik van Beek
3 years ago

Although the veil of ignorance, as the backbone of distributive justice,
is an abstract utopian state of mind, globalism is doing everything
that is needed to produce the type of humans that can apply this veil of
ignorance. The extremists from the rightside and the leftside of the
spectrum still represent the need for authenticity and pluralism but
their campaigns are already fully encompassed by a globalism that will
either destroy them or turn them into a new kind of homo universalis
with no signs of a character, ideology or authenticity whatsoever. The
future generations will be the veil of ignorance if the great reset will
have its way. All will be equal and there will be nothing to choose
from.

Frederik van Beek
Frederik van Beek
3 years ago

Although the veil of ignorance, as the backbone of distributive justice,
is an abstract utopian state of mind, globalism is doing everything
that is needed to produce the type of humans that can apply this veil of
ignorance. The extremists from the rightside and the leftside of the
spectrum still represent the need for authenticity and pluralism but
their campaigns are already fully encompassed by a globalism that will
either destroy them or turn them into a new species
with no signs of character, ideology or authenticity whatsoever. The
future generations will be the veil of ignorance if the great reset will
have its way. All will be equal and there will be nothing to choose
from.

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago

That isn’t what Rawls is about.

Robert Montgomery
Robert Montgomery
3 years ago

The author seems very ready to gloss over with passing mention the obvious issue of a white, middle class man and his apparent tone deafness to especially racial inequality in the US. Another issue for me is the ” organisation of violence” on 6/01/2021. There was much less violence there than at many of the BLM/antifa protests which were really violent riots but described as “mostly peaceful” while buildings burned. The most egregious act of violence at the Capitol was the blatant, cold blooded murder of Ashli Babbitt

Joseph McCord
JM
Joseph McCord
3 years ago

Perhaps, a miscarriage of duty, by a police officer – perhaps, an extreme miscarriage of duty – but not, so far as we know, as of yet – a murder.

Just as it pays to be skeptical, about other sorts of claims. We do not, as of yet, know that the death of George Floyd, for instance – was a murder. All of the facts, and testimonies, won’t come out – until the trial.

And, don’t forget – that a police officer on the same day – was murdered.

(But, of course – this is just a continuation, of the enormous spree of ongoing, continued lawlessness – that has been egged on, and abetted – by our “liberal” media, and by our “liberal” politicians – to no end…

It was a Mostly Peaceful Protest – in other words – by the criteria of such, that have now become established…)

George Lake
GL
George Lake
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph McCord

“And, don’t forget – that a police officer on the same day – was murdered”

Hang on, that’s illogical, you can’t have it both ways.
George Floyd, murder has yet to be proved.
Ashli Babbitt, murder has yet to be proved.
Brian Sicknick, murder has yet to be proved.
QED?

Joseph McCord
JM
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  George Lake

Okay – but a cardinal difference is that police do sometimes have to use force, in order to discharge their duties to the public. Sometimes the use of even deadly force, on the part of police, is lawful – and we do not yet know what all of the circumstances were. Sometimes unlawful use of force, is not a crime – and when it is a crime, it is not always the crime of murder. Police have a difficult job to do, and sometimes they just make mistakes (which may be ultimately judged to have constituted the commission of a crime, and may not). Whereas – assaulting a police officer under any circumstances, and with any results, is always the commission of a crime. Basic things, that everyone should keep in mind.

(I suppose that technically speaking – it might have been only a manslaughter. I’m not a lawyer. If you intended to harm someone but did not intend to kill them – is that sometimes judged to be only manslaughter?)

George Lake
George Lake
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph McCord

Your definition of manslaughter is correct, as far as I understand it.
I am not denying that a policeman has the right to use a firearm when appropriate, however to state that “Sometimes unlawful use of force, is not a crime”, is a contradiction in terms. It’s either legal or not. The term usually used is “justifiable homicide”, and that is precisely what the Jury considering the fate of Ms Ashli Babbitt will have to decide.

Incidentally do we know how the policeman, Officer Brian Sicknick was actually killed?

Finally – “assaulting a police officer under any circumstances, and with any results, is always the commission of a crime”, is not so, as precedent has shown in the rare cases of justifiable self defence.

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  George Lake

From what I read – it appears that the police officer was lethally smashed in the head with a fire extinguisher.

(I’m not sure about the technicalities – but what I meant to say is that sometimes, in the heat of action, mostly – under dangerous circumstances – when it may be difficult to do everything, perfectly – police officers sometimes do things that may not have been strictly speaking absolutely unavoidable, or may sometimes violate the general rules of engagement that are provided for them by their specific departments – without being judged to have committed a crime. In life-threatening, or potentially or apparently or possibly life-threatening situations – to a police officer, or to members of the public – it is a lot to ask that all police officers always do everything, absolutely perfectly – always make the perfectly “right” decisions. They are only human beings.)

George Lake
George Lake
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph McCord

Thanks, on the face of it that sounds like manslaughter or worse.
However ultimately it is for the judicial system to decide, as off course it also does when deciding whether a policeman or for that matter soldier has exercised justifiable force in any given incident.

Rule of Law is better than Rule of the Fist, although nothing like as prevalent worldwide as it should be, sadly.

Joseph McCord
JM
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  George Lake

It isn’t even completely clear, as of yet, that the death of George Floyd was a homicide. Let’s be very careful about this. The coroner guessed, that it was – but that’s only a preliminary guess – and the actual medical explanation for such would be difficult to make. Death did not occur, due to asphyxiation. No signs of injury to the neck, were found. George Floyd suffered from a very severe heart condition – and was on some kind of outrageous cocktail of drugs. He was having a panic attack, and complaining that he “couldn’t breathe” (even though, obviously, he was breathing just fine), before the cops even handled him. It’s quite possible that he was already undergoing a heart attack.

The testimony of the police involved in the incident will not be available, until the trial. So let’s, reasonable people, all hold our horses.

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(The fact that it was subsequently turned into a Crusade – does not prove that it was a murder.)

George Lake
George Lake
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph McCord

Some weeks ago on the ‘saintly’, BBC, the official organ of the British Government, and the mouthpiece of our ‘Wokers’, or as I prefer, Quislington Shriekers, I heard Mr Obama state that the late George Floyd Esq had been mudered. Astonishing!

As with Babbitt and Sicknick this really is sub judice at present.
However from what medical evidence I have seen it appears he was suffering from advanced atherosclerosis and may have died of heart block, following a lifetime of ‘substance’ abuse.
Only time will tell.

Joseph McCord
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  George Lake

The Former President, himself – just to put a final capstone, on – it really has to be admitted, doesn’t it? – THE MOST ENORMOUS TRIAL-BY-THE-MEDIA-AND-PUBLIC-OPINION THAT HAS EVER BEEN – in all of human history. What outrageous times, we are living in.

George Lake
GL
George Lake
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph McCord

Don’t worry “worse things happen at sea” as we say.

Joseph McCord
JM
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  George Lake

Do you?

George Lake
George Lake
3 years ago
Reply to  Joseph McCord

Worry? Off course not!
At my advanced I cannot afford such a luxury!
Good or bad C-19 is moving the ‘tectonic plates’ of our society after years of sterile ossification, and that should be rather exciting.

Matthew Powell
Matthew Powell
3 years ago

The tragedy lies not in Rawls failure but his success. If you want to understand the contemporary left, then Rawls is a better guide than the French Post Modernists. Imagine a teenager screaming, “I didn’t ask to be born!” before storming off to their room and slamming the door, and you have starting premise of Rawls’ philosophy and left wing activism. To both, the constraints of reality are no excuse for failing to conform to the demands for Justice.

Rawls may have intended his ideas to provide no more than the philosophical framework for society but the logic of the veil of ignorance does not give us a stable platform from which to build a fairer society, instead it demolishes the foundations of a stable social order by literally replacing them with an ahistorical nothingness. As Burke observed in the wake of the French Revolution, a society is not based on the abstract scribbling of philosophy but on the specific historical evolution of a people and their laws and customs. To deny this is to deny reality.

In the hands of the contemporary radical left there can be no excuse for failing to conform to the egalitarian Utopian ideals derived from the veil. Any deviation or anomaly in representation of any group, is seen not as the result of historical and socioeconomic differences but as an affront to Justice and the results of oppression, which must be actively eliminated. the

By inverting Rawls’ system they are only following his logic to its end point. If the conclusions of the veil of ignorance are ideal, then these should not be just starting point for building society, they must be also be end point and the ultimate goal of all societies to reach. What starts as an attempt to underpin liberal progressive politics with a legal and philosophical frame work, becomes a dystopian drive towards the erasure of all difference in the name of Justice.

Until race, gender, sexuality are irrelevant then they will not be satisfied. The irony is that in order to bring about a balance between all these characteristics, they must constantly be monitored, and thus preserved, by the act of attempting to create and sustain this homeostasis. This eliminates any hope of a truly egalitarian liberal future, as it can only be enforced by a vast illiberal centralised government, constantly reinforcing the differences between its citizens by the act of maintaining “equality” amongst them.

The hostility to Rawls on the radical left is thus largely artificial. Much like Francis Fukuyama’s The End of History and The Last Man, much of Rawls’ argument has been full assimilated, whilst it’s implacably denied at the same time by its practitioners. Just as some Christians cannot accept that their saviour was Jewish, the Woke cannot accept that the foundations of their philosophy was dreamt up by a middle class white man.

LCarey Rowland
LR
LCarey Rowland
2 years ago

I do not remember anything about this fellow, but it sounds like his worldview will be sucked down into the vacuum of popular culture along with Norman Rockwell, Walter Cronkite and George McGovern.

Josh Cook
Josh Cook
3 years ago

Some of comments on here are like a high brow daily Mail – not worthy of the article they are responding to. Reactionary and thoughtless

An exhibition of what the article was talking about – a post Rawls society indeed.

Terry Needham
PR
Terry Needham
3 years ago
Reply to  Josh Cook

You read the Daily Mail?
Sleeping with the enemy.
Oh Josh! How could you?

David Stuckey
David Stuckey
3 years ago
Reply to  Terry Needham

Some of us try and understand how the right thinks. Depressing but necessary.

Terry Needham
Terry Needham
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stuckey

Really?
But you never show any understanding.
If you think that the Daily Mail is right wing then you are merely demonstrating your own political illiteracy.

mike otter
mike otter
3 years ago
Reply to  David Stuckey

Right Wing?? FFS they are so statist they want rules about what color you paint your house and probably want arm bands colour coded by income or house value to be made law. Sort of Pol Pot meets Eric Honeker

John Rodger
JR
John Rodger
3 years ago
Reply to  mike otter

But the crucial question is surely, was Pol Pot’s house worth more than Honecker’s?

7882 fremic
7882 fremic
3 years ago
Reply to  Josh Cook

Daily Mail comments are the only reason to read it, they take the pulse of society. They are about the last place which does allow everything, I cannot seem to get banned there no matter how outrageous I get, as they do allow all angles to be expressed. (I am also surprised here when I log on and find I have not been banned as that has always been the norm for me)

Ben
Ben
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

In the broadcast media, I’d recomment TalkRadio as the go-to place for the spoken word. How archaic the BBC now seems – like the dodo or the penny farthing…

Fraser Bailey
FB
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Ben

Yes, Talk Radio is somewhat one dimensional in terms of its tone and format, but outside of one or two people on LBC it is the only broadcast media worth watching or listening to in the UK.

mike otter
MO
mike otter
3 years ago
Reply to  7882 fremic

Check out the upvotes for the death penalty etc on DM. Actually scary. Also they censored considered anti – warmist posts i have made. They always allow “i’d hit that” or “wouldn’t touch her with yours” when the subject is a woman, but not a man or a trans….

Daniel Björkman
Daniel Björkman
3 years ago
Reply to  Josh Cook

Screeching hatred and furious denials of reality using perfect grammar and advanced vocabularies is pretty what the Unheard comment section is all about, yes…

stephen f.
SF
stephen f.
3 years ago

-and here you are…

Martin Butler
Martin Butler
3 years ago

Surely the key point missed is that the US never bought into the vision presented by Rawls, unlike most European countries (not just Scandinavian countries)- who embraced Rawlsian social justice. The Beveridge report produced in the U.K. is pure Rawls. The new deal in the 30s in the US was the nearest they came, but the American dream ideology is very different to Rawls’ vision. It works on the principle that I don’t need a safety net because I’m a winner – but of course in reality we can’t all be winners. In fact losers are the condition for having winners. And it is the simple fact that the American Dream is a reality for a tiny minority that has brought the US down. It is difficult to admit that the ideology a whole country is built on doesn’t work for most. The masses look round for someone to blame, they get angry – result Trump.

Andrew Harvey
Andrew Harvey
3 years ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

“It works on the principle that I don’t need a safety net because I’m a winner”

Sorry, but this is fundamentally wrong and based on stereotypes rather than real data. The American system of government is a federal system with both the federal government and state governments providing a safety net. A small minority of Americans might say they don’t need a social safety net, but, actually, quite a lot of money is spent at the federal and state level providing welfare.

Joseph McCord
JM
Joseph McCord
3 years ago
Reply to  Martin Butler

Sorry – but “the American dream” – which, is a very very vague phrase, of course – but, as most people understand it – isn’t, to get filthy rich.

You don’t seem to like my country, very much.