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Our reductive refugee debate Both Left and Right are trying to hijack the crisis in the Channel — which helps nobody

Four men attempt to cross the English Channel in August. Credit: Ryan Sosna-Bowd/Getty

Four men attempt to cross the English Channel in August. Credit: Ryan Sosna-Bowd/Getty


August 20, 2020   6 mins

Anyone watching the television news in recent weeks will have seen the images of wretched men and women clambering ashore on the beaches of Kent. They may also have seen the Brexit Party leader Nigel Farage patrolling the coast and bombastically calling this sorry sight an “invasion”.

Yes, more than 4,000 people have crossed the English Channel this year on makeshift boats and inflatable dinghies. However, it is not armed units washing up on the beaches but rather men and women who are in many instances fleeing from armed conflict.

Farage, though, eager to reverse his flagging relevance, wants to be seen heroically manning the barricades while an indifferent and ‘soft touch’ political elite looks the other way.

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And in some quarters, Farage’s influence still looms large: the Government appears to see the utility in marshalling public opinion against new arrivals. Last week, the Home Secretary, Priti Patel, told Tory MPs that the asylum system was “broken” and promised new laws that will “send the Left into meltdown”.

This attempt to whip the country into a hysterical fervour over these ramshackle new arrivals appears to be making headway. According to a recent YouGov poll, 49% of Britons said they have little (22%) to no sympathy (27%) for migrants attempting to cross the channel from France to England.

Parallel to this, a counternarrative is developing on the Left where it is argued that Britain ought automatically to give sanctuary to people seeking asylum on the basis that this country has played a “major role” in precipitating the migration crisis, as Daniel Trilling puts it for The Guardian. Trilling writes that many recent refugees have arrived in Britain from “Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Pakistan, Palestine, Sudan and Yemen. Of these countries, two were invaded in recent history by a coalition that included the UK; one has been pushed into famine by a Saudi-led bombardment using British weapons and military expertise; one is in a prolonged conflict with Israel, which like Saudi Arabia is a UK ally”.

In other words, it is our fault that fresh waves of people are coming to European shores.

Trilling might have gone further and pointed to the destabilisation of Libya by Nato — once described rather unpleasantly as “the cork in the bottle” of sub-Saharan Africa under its deposed dictator Colonel Gaddafi — as one of the major reasons for increased waves of people seeking sanctuary in Europe. Many Libyans are making their way to Britain against a grim backdrop of civil war and strife. A total of 1,126 grants of humanitarian protection were given to Libyan nationals in 2019 — an increase of 31% on the previous year and more than half of the total number granted.

Migrants arrive in port after being intercepted in the Channel on August 11 (Photo by Leon Neal/Getty Images)

Yet there is a risk of reducing a complex situation to an argument about western intervention. This has become something of a reflex on the Left in recent years: a sort of inverted imperialism by which Britain remains at the centre of every important event in the world. ‘It’s our fault,’ goes the self-flagellating cry — beneath which lurks a familiar imperial solipsism.

In the year ending in March, the top four countries for asylum claims were Iran, Albania, Iraq and Pakistan. We needn’t re-tread the embittered old ground of the Iraq war here — though I would urge readers to watch the BBC’s Once Upon a Time in Iraq if they still harbour illusions about that particular episode of military adventurism. But Iraq notwithstanding, most who wind up seeking asylum in Europe are fleeing from countries beset by corruption, ethnic and religious persecution, as well as plain old bad governance.

Even in war-torn countries such as Libya and Syria — nations from which significant numbers of migrants have travelled west in recent years — it is a stretch to cite ‘western meddling’ as the main reason many have chosen to leave. Had things panned out differently in Libya in 2011, a fresh wave of migrants would surely have fled a revengeful and bloodthirsty Colonel Gaddafi. Indeed, 5.6 million people have fled Syria — whose war we decided to effectively wash our hands of in 2013 — since that conflict began nine years ago. Some of this is arguably down to contagion from the intervention in Iraq but much of it isn’t. Dictatorships are perfectly capable of creating refugees without external assistance.

And yet, attacking the Left — or in Patel’s case trying to send it into ‘meltdown’ — risks parochialising the issue. It is the Conservative Party in government and myths around asylum are mainly propagated by Right-leaning newspapers.

One such myth is the ubiquitous claim that ‘soft touch’ Britain is overwhelmed with refugees compared to the rest of Europe. Au contraire: Germany and France receive double the number of asylum applications per year as the UK. It is also untrue to say that EU law requires that refugees coming to Europe must apply for asylum in the first safe country he or she arrives in — a common trope in recent weeks. A UK judge ruled in 1999 that “some element of choice is indeed open to refugees as to where they may properly claim asylum”. Additionally, the judge said that “any merely short-term stopover en route” does not invalidate an asylum claim elsewhere.

It is perhaps worth looking at the real reasons people try to come to the UK, rather than whipping oneself into a frenzy over fictitious ones. Shared language appears to play a big part motivating people to come to Britain. More than half (58.6%) of those interviewed at the notorious ‘jungle’ refugee camp in Calais in 2016 described their spoken English as ‘very good’ or ‘good’. This compared to just 3.8% who said they spoke ‘very good’ or ‘good’ French.

Life in Britain also retains a penumbra of grandeur in some parts of the world, even if this is largely driven by nostalgia (one of ways Britain markets itself these days, both at home and abroad). Travelling in Latin America 10 years ago, many of the local people I met viewed Britain — along with the United States — as a notch above various other ‘First World’ countries. Indeed, one of the reasons Britain still “punches above its weight” is the lingering cultural pull of the English-speaking world.

That many of these new arrivals are washing up in Dover by boat is mainly to do with the pandemic and the lockdown’s shuttering of haulage and other vehicle crossings — one of the traditional routes by which asylum seekers are smuggled to the UK.

So what can be done about the situation?

Despite Patel’s rhetoric, Britain is unlikely to withdraw from the Refugee Convention. Nor can the Royal Navy turn a significant number of vessels away without risking a tragedy on the high seas that would generate bigger headlines than a few inflatables washing up in Kent. Moreover, unless a new agreement between the EU and Britain is put into place at the end of the Brexit transition to replace the existing Dublin regulations, the UK will no longer be able to return any failed asylum seekers to northern France.

One solution — which would also undermine the criminal people traffickers — would be to make it easier to process asylum claims outside of Britain. At present it is nearly impossible to make a legal journey to these shores to claim asylum. Those who wish to do so must invariably travel here illegally — there is simply no other way to put in a claim. The Government could reinforce the credibility of such a scheme by coming to a new agreement with Europe so that Britain processes more asylum applications in mainland Europe while agreeing that returnees will be accepted by France.

This, though, requires a constructive dialogue on the part of the British government with its European partners. So far, we have seen little of that. Instead, the Government has given the impression that asylum diplomacy is being formulated with eyes fixed firmly on the potential for melodramatic headlines — the home secretary is currently ramping up a pointless verbal spat with France, a country whose cooperation this country needs if it is to stem the tide of boats.

To suggest that Britain’s borders are under siege on the basis of a few telegenic landings off the Kent coast — or to call it a “national humiliation” as Farage has done — is to lose all sense of proportion. We live in a prosperous country in a tumultuous world — refugees are a part of that equation whether we like it or not.

But rallying public opinion against them can be a cheap political win. It is after all what both of our political parties have frequently done in times of crisis. Under Labour, the then Home Secretary David Blunkett claimed that the country was being “swamped” by refugees and tried to ban the children of asylum seekers from attending state schools. And that was during the relatively prosperous early 2000s.

Given the present home secretary’s statements about France that will likely make it harder to stem the flow of people — as well as her summoning of ‘new laws’ that will invariably fail to materialise — one must assume the present home secretary is pursuing a similar course.

As millions of Britons face the prospect of a moribund jobs market — and as awkward questions abound about its handling of the Covid-19 pandemic — the Government has noticed a potential way out of the expected deluge of negative media coverage. A few lurid headlines about asylum seekers can go a long way. History tells us that the surest way for any politician to appear ‘tough’ is, paradoxically, to lash out at those most desperately in need of our compassion.


James Bloodworth is a journalist and author of Hired: Six Months Undercover in Low-Wage Britain, which was longlisted for the Orwell Prize 2019.

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chrisjwmartin
chrisjwmartin
3 years ago

Regardless of one’s sympathy for them (or otherwise), and regardless of one’s belief in their often spurious claims to be from the war-torn countries they say they are, there is not a single refugee among the hordes swamping the south coast. Every single one of them has passed through umpteen entirely safe countries on their way to Britain. They could”should!”have sought asylum or refuge or whatever you want to call it in those countries. France itself, already a long way in to Europe, is as stable and peaceful as the UK, and has a population density of only 300 per square mile, compared to over 1,100 per square mile for England.

You realise this yourself:

It is perhaps worth looking at the real reasons people try to come to the UK, rather than whipping oneself into a frenzy over fictitious ones. Shared language appears to play a big part motivating people to come to Britain. “¦ Life in Britain also retains a penumbra of grandeur in some parts of the world, even if this is largely driven by nostalgia

So they’re not merely fleeing to a refuge, are they: they are economic migrants who are fussily picking and choosing from a menu of options. If they were only seeking refuge, they would shelter in relief in the first safe haven they found and be grateful and humble for the opportunity, not arrogantly demand to be let in to their first choice. Economic migrants who break the rules, which every single one of these individuals are, should not be given priority over economic migrants who play by the rules.

Liz Davison
Liz Davison
3 years ago
Reply to  chrisjwmartin

Exactly.

Ian Barton
Ian Barton
3 years ago
Reply to  chrisjwmartin

Every discussion on this issue should begin with the question …

“At what population density would you stop accepting economic migrants to the UK . Is it 1,100 or 5,000 or 50,000 ?”

Followed by “Are you prepared to move to the most densely populated town or city in the country, and commit to staying there ?”

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  Ian Barton

Question one: 1,101
Question two: No, certainly not.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago
Reply to  chrisjwmartin

We have been overcrowded for a very long time.

Back in 1914, when we very generously came to the rescue of France, and long before the arrival of Sinbad &Co, our population stood at 44million whilst Frances’s stood at 39 million.

However back in the early 70’s a prophet called St Enoch appeared and warned of terrors ahead. Is he about to be proved correct?

Julian Hartley
Julian Hartley
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

Given the two terrorist attacks on and around London Bridge, I’m afraid the river has already foamed with much blood.

Frank B Brennan
FB
Frank B Brennan
3 years ago
Reply to  Julian Hartley

Only a matter of time, unfortunately more blood will be spilt.

pat_glynn
PG
pat_glynn
3 years ago
Reply to  chrisjwmartin

Excellent: the truth, eloquently, factually, and honestly captured.

chrisjwmartin
chrisjwmartin
3 years ago
Reply to  pat_glynn

Thank you for your kind words.

Roland Ayers
Roland Ayers
3 years ago
Reply to  chrisjwmartin

But shared language is not simply an economic advantage; it is also an aid to communication and therefore to a degree of cultural integration.

Lucy Smex
Lucy Smex
3 years ago
Reply to  Roland Ayers

Which would be nice if everyone if everyone did integrate culturally, but they don’t, which is why we’re now held up to be a multicultural society. With sufficient numbers of other migrants already in the country, both legal and illegal, there’s less and less incentive to integrate into the host culture.

titan0
titan0
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucy Smex

I’m old and my black and south Asian mates growing up, either shared the same accent or in the case of Ugandan Asians, had a strong enough grasp of the language to quickly adapt. Racism really did exist but as often as not interaction was better than in the ghettos and entire city areas that exist today, as if they were another part of the world.
Blair’s multiculturalism is a washout. Was always going to be.

chrisjwmartin
CM
chrisjwmartin
3 years ago
Reply to  Roland Ayers

In terms of the supposed refugees’ supposed flight from warzones, it is a nice-to-have. Refuge is not a case of picking your favourite place to live and being guaranteed a spot. It is an emergency measure: you are in such extreme danger that you are allowed to break the law in order to escape, but once you’ve escaped the danger, you don’t get to continue breaking the law in order to go from a safe country to a safe country where you will earn more money or can integrate better.

Frank B Brennan
Frank B Brennan
3 years ago
Reply to  chrisjwmartin

War zone Countries ,Yemen 347 people from there .Syria just over a thousand from there ,of the 47000 plus us taxpayers are paying to look after in the UK now. So the vast majority are illegal immigrants.And unemployment in Iraq, Iran, Albania and Pakistan is lower than in the UK after Covid.

Su O.
Su O.
3 years ago
Reply to  Roland Ayers

The point is really not whether it is an aid to communication and/or cultural integration (something which we have seen little of). The question is whether or not Britain is willing to become crowded in the same way as Calcutta, and cease to be the very thing that migrants (and they ARE migrants, not refugees) are seeking in coming here. There is no indication that the numbers of people who want to come will slack off or do anything but continue to increase in direct proportion to our continued acceptance. The only solution to this problem is to 1) insist that countries sharing the culture of the migrants accept the great majority of them and 2) do everything we can to rehabilitate the countries they are leaving, so that they can be as prosperous and secure there as we wish to be ourselves.

Alan Matthes
AM
Alan Matthes
3 years ago
Reply to  chrisjwmartin

Spot on Chris Martin, these are economic migrants with little hope of ever contributing in a meaningful way to the life of this country. Diversity creates division but there is an entire industry dedicated to encouraging our guilt.

Carl Goulding
Carl Goulding
3 years ago

Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar and
Oman are also prosperous countries, Arabic speaking, Islamic and conflict free so surely these would be better suited safe-havens (and closer) for Middle Eastern refugees? None of these countries however are willing to accept refugees and provide free health care, housing & welfare benefit or allow them to legally work. This matter should be given far more publicity by the western media rather than the constant criticism of this country. Also with the homelessness crisis in this country which has already been made far worse by uncontrolled immigration surely there is a limit to the numbers we can take?

Nigel Clarke
Nigel Clarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Carl Goulding

Saudi Arabia has a tented facility that can hold 3 million people, with hot and cold running water, air conditioning etc…
It is used for the Hajj, it is where 3 million people who visit Mecca live when they come from all over the World.
Why isn’t it being used to house refugees from the Mid-East wars?

Go Away Please
Go Away Please
3 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Clarke

Why would other countries copy our mistakes?
They can see these are not refugees but economic migrants.
I’m not sure if it applies to all the countries you have listed but many in the ME have taken real refugees fleeing from wars, some which we helped start. They struggle however as they don’t have large scale welfare states.

Nigel Clarke
NC
Nigel Clarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Go Away Please

“…They struggle however as they don’t have large scale welfare states…”

…and Saudi Arabia? Are they a bit skint or something?

I didn’t mention other ME countries taking in refugees, however you might have a look at towns down the coast of Syria, such as Latakia, Baniyas and Tartus…where the civil war has miraculously been absent…and many other places in the South and West of the country.

Go Away Please
Go Away Please
3 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Clarke

Should have replied to Carl, the OP not you. Sorry. No need to get quite so riled. I didn’t say anything about these countries (or SA) being skint. Just that they don’t do welfare in the overly generous manner that we do, if at all.
And my main point holds: no need for any country to do what we do simply because we do it.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
3 years ago
Reply to  Go Away Please

It is only right to point out that bordering countries, which of course may have little choice in the matter, such as Jordan, have indeed taken a very large number of refugees from the Syrian conflict.

Liz Davison
Liz Davison
3 years ago
Reply to  Go Away Please

They feel no guilt because Allah is on their side. All Muslims seem to have this get-out clause whereas those of us raised in a Christian culture – even without the faith – are saddled with a conscience.

Go Away Please
Go Away Please
3 years ago
Reply to  Liz Davison

You are probably right about the Christian culture and guilt, but I’ve no idea about Allah.
What I do know is that many Arab countries didn’t sign up to any UN refugee convention which we and all the Western countries did.
Also that Muslims in the ME don’t all get on e.g Sunni and Shia are always at loggerheads so perhaps they would be wary of taking in other Muslims who might have incompatible political views. Unlike us, who rather short-sightedly, don’t look at such things at all, as we are so busy being the good guys.

Betty Fyffe
Betty Fyffe
3 years ago
Reply to  Carl Goulding

That limit was reached decades ago. We are more than full, we are bursting at the seams. And, what particularly galls me, is that we taxpayers are paying for this invasion and the consequent concreting over of our formerly green and pleasant land. The politicos are shielded from much of the effects of this.

titan0
titan0
3 years ago
Reply to  Betty Fyffe

More to the point, how is it that so many groups arriving penniless are able to move straight into London or other cities that, after a lifetime of toil, I couldn’t afford?
And before the haters all pile on, look at the demographics of London. And puhleeze don’t tell me that immigrants work harder than me because it just isn’t that likely.

Betty Fyffe
Betty Fyffe
3 years ago
Reply to  titan0

Because you and I are forced to pay for them.

Nick Whitehouse
NW
Nick Whitehouse
3 years ago

I find the call to “take politics out” of anything is normally a call to ignore the voters.
We already have about 300,000 net immigration numbers per year – and this is a figure based on a survey. All governments have refused to properly count the real figures. The conservative party promised to reduce this to 10’s of thousands before dropping the commitment at the last election.
Where do all these people go? Based on these numbers, we need to build a city the size of Birmingham every 3 to 4 years. Not just houses, but schools, hospitals, roads, shops, water & sewage facilities, railways, etc, and of course find jobs for people to pay for all of it.
As we are not building that fast, it appears that many of the new immigrants are living in over crowded houses. This is, in effect, causing a new wave of slums – just when we thought that the country had solved that problem.

Any logical person can see that this puts a heavy strain on society, perhaps a too greater strain than is sensible. Therefore a reduction in the rate of immigration seems a very advantageous strategy.

Perhaps it is you, who is being “bombastic” writing articles decrying people who point out the problem of yet more immigrants.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Exactly. James is often a useful and thoughtful writer on the subject of the labour market, but he has simply reverted to leftie-luvvie-Guardian type here, and seems unaware that all this immigration is often causing the labour problems that he often writes about.

Lucy Smex
Lucy Smex
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Precisely. A tour of Leicester and its slave industry might have enlightened him on the subject.
Unless he thinks that having modern slavery brought into this country by mass immigration is a good thing.

titan0
titan0
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucy Smex

My cousin was telling me about the shenanigans in Leicester almost two months before they locked down again.
And he doesn’t have an entire army of agents to have observed and reported to anyone who would listen, as the Government has. But just what did they see and do before it was too late?

chrisjwmartin
chrisjwmartin
3 years ago

Based on these numbers, we need to build a city the size of Birmingham every 3 to 4 years.

God, surely one Birmingham is already more than enough.

Roland Ayers
Roland Ayers
3 years ago
Reply to  chrisjwmartin

I’d quite happily have several more Birminghams. I love Birmingham.

D Glover
D Glover
3 years ago
Reply to  Roland Ayers

We grow about half the food we eat and import the other half. If we built one or more Birminghams we’d need a lot more food, but we can’t pay for it to be imported because we’re broke.
Do you lefties think we live in an elastic country that can expand to suit more people?

chrisjwmartin
chrisjwmartin
3 years ago
Reply to  Roland Ayers

Only joshing. Can’t stand it personally but to each their own.

titan0
CG
titan0
3 years ago
Reply to  chrisjwmartin

At the risk of ruining my arguments, you get a hell of a curry in Brum. And yes, it’s also an attempt at humour not racism!

titan0
titan0
3 years ago

And just recently, BoJo extended the hand to 3.5 million Hong Kongers.
I’ve really no problems with migration but where are the homes for them all? Let alone them affording 300K for an affordable house from a standing start off the boat, as it were.
Or am I just a racist, really?

nick woods
nick woods
3 years ago
Reply to  titan0

The smart ,wealthy Hong Kongers I know will be heading to USA,Canada,Australia,New Zealand,Singapore, and finally Britain if all else fails.
They are even wealthier than the £10,000 fare paying rubber boat people.

titan0
CG
titan0
3 years ago
Reply to  nick woods

I don’t doubt it. But what if the Idi Amin style ‘repatriation’ to the old empire ensues with one suitcase and ten quid in you pocket?
I can’t see the Chinese allowing the first flight out to become an example of a wealthy exile for millions of well heeled Hong Kongers who might be sat on the fence watching.

titan0
titan0
3 years ago
Reply to  nick woods

I replied using the I D I A M I N example of being repatriated to the old empire with just a single case and a few quid. And it was censored out.
I doubt that many wealthy Hong Kongers will be allowed to leave with their wealth intact because it would set an example to those millions lower down the financial ladder.

A Spetzari
A Spetzari
3 years ago

Sometimes doing the easiest quickest most humane thing is not the right thing.

When you go to a refugee camp, westerners/aid workers etc are often mobbed by small groups of children. The natural human reaction is to give them water or food that you might be carrying with you. Why the hell wouldn’t you?

That is one of the worst things to do. Next time you arrive there will be an even larger crowd, this can impede you and hinder you doing whatever you are at the camp trying to achieve, furthermore the mob of children and others are physically put at risk by your vehicles. Finally, if in a conflict zone, there is a very real risk that insurgents will use this as an opportunity to hit out at you or the people in the camp (incidents abound of insurgents teaching kids to pull pins on grenades or drop devices in crowds with the promise of sweets or money). You’re best off ignoring the immediate short term humane fix and focusing on the bigger picture to help more people for the longer term.

The point I’m making is that whilst it might feel good to help those desperately in need – you will only attract more. Most importantly you’re doing nothing to address the causes. Most refugees (not economic migrants) funnily enough don’t want to leave their home and traipse across continents. Money is better spent trying to help people in their own countries rather than sticking plasters on weeping wounds.

chrisjwmartin
chrisjwmartin
3 years ago
Reply to  A Spetzari

There’s actually a term for this: pathological altruism. It is a condition endemic on the progressive left.

Fraser Bailey
FB
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

The decision was taken in 1997 to flood the country with millions of people that the majority of British people did not want or ask for. This was a purely political decision, taken in order to import Labour voters and to ‘rub our noses’ in grooming gangs, terrorist attacks, halal meat, female circumcision, downward pressure on wages for the unskilled, and many other delights. As this was a purely political decision, taken to destroy at least 1,000 years of history, the arrival of thousands more such people cannot be anything other than a political football.

David Gould
DG
David Gould
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

When the increase in rented housing was being snapped up in the early 2000’s I discovered that my mate got a bonus of £10K for metting and exceeding his quota of landlord sign up’s . There were several different companies fulfilling a government requirement for rental homes & properties home for refugees & economic migrants.
In the greater Peterborough area alone over 22,000 homes were found . and the next trance was for another 8 thousand in the area Is it any wonder we have the housing problems of our indigenous folk that we have .
He said that landlords had twigged & were queuing up for him to sign them up as a guaranteed £1700 PCM from the government was a far better ROI than the expected 3.5% they’d usually get after sorting out the mess from runouts and druggies wrecking their place , for the government contract also made good any damage & did redecorating at the end of their contract . I guess some if not all the contracts but a good many will have been automatically renewed year after year after year .

Realise that this hoovering up of rentals taking the housing off the market wasn’t just occurring in the greater Peterborough area but all over the UK

Mark M
Mark M
3 years ago

I would just like to put in a word for Nigel Farage, since no-one else will. Slagged off by the author of this article in a personal way, and generally despised by the media, he has literally been the only person making an effort to bring this issue to the attention of the British people. If not for him the media would have continued to censor the facts. He has been threatened by the police and confronted heavies appointed to guard hotels used for migrants – but he hasn’t backed down. He is a lone voice without big money behind him so accusing him of being able to “whip the country into a hysterical fervour” is clearly ridiculous ““ rather he is reflecting the anger already widespread in Britain that the majority are being ignored on this matter. There is no indication that his relevance is flagging and, indeed, the opinion polls quoted in the article actually show that his views are highly relevant to at least half the population. It is only the corrupt electoral system in this country that keeps Nigel and his supporters out of Parliament (making our rulers about as representative of our people as the rulers of Belarus are of theirs) and stop him from really making waves.

Fraser Bailey
FB
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark M

Thanks. Yes, Farage is the most effective British politician of the last 30 years and the only one to have been right about anything on a consistent basis. If he formed a party with a few common sense policies of the kind that perhaps 60% of the population is crying out for he would sweep to power.

titan0
titan0
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Except for the media messages in support of the two acceptable parties, he probably would. If 15 or 20 percent of a national vote is not enough to gain some power then who properly represents those voters?

John Nutkins
John Nutkins
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark M

Well said.

Margaret Ogburn
MO
Margaret Ogburn
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark M

Well said, I think at this rate he will be the next Prime Minister. If only we could bring that about sooner

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago

The only solution is to pull out of UN Conventions. Those conventions made sense when the refugee was a Russian Gay Ballerina or a Czech dissident writer. Now we have millions of people (literally) on the move.

Jake Prior
Jake Prior
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

With the population for Africa projected to go from just over 1 to well over 4 billion within 80 years, you may well need to swap that M for a B within the foreseeable future. Truly biblical proportions, but we lack any biblical wisdom to react with any degree of, well, wisdom.

Howard Gleave
HG
Howard Gleave
3 years ago

It doesn’t take someone to be Left or Right to object to thousands of people gatecrashing their way into Britain then sending selfies back to friends and family back home, or in France, inviting them to try their luck.

It is not Britain’s responsibility to offer refuge to anyone anywhere who identifies with being persecuted or who wants a better life. There are hundreds of millions who qualify.

Let’s put this to a referendum.

Margaret Ogburn
MO
Margaret Ogburn
3 years ago
Reply to  Howard Gleave

They wouldn’t dare because they know what the result would be

jessiegillick
jessiegillick
3 years ago

Saying ‘this country’ & ‘Britain’ are responsible for the destabilisation of these countries is wrong because it implies you and I had something to do with it. We didn’t. Our governments did and as a people we had no more influence over what happened than the people it happened to, and we are having to carry the burden of the fall out just like the asylum seekers.
They’re all young men seeking asylum. If it was a genuine escape from persecution surely they’d be bringing the whole family like the persecuted Puritans in 1600’s escaping Britain for America…

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

I’m thinking of going out in a dinghy myself and landing at Deal or wherever. I fancy a few months chez Lineker* and a trip to Anfield. Then there’s the three meals a day, free dental treatment, spending money…

*It doesn’t have to be chez Lineker. The home of any wealthy leftie-luvvie will serve just as well. Indeed, they tend to have numerous homes so one could flit between them.

Margaret Ogburn
Margaret Ogburn
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Exactly who wouldn’t want that life?

Lesley Durose
LD
Lesley Durose
3 years ago
Reply to  Fraser Bailey

Brilliant

Andrew Thompson
Andrew Thompson
3 years ago

Erm……..”men and women who are in many instances fleeing from armed conflict”…… In France?

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

To be fair there is quite a lot of armed confilct in the urban areas of France.

titan0
titan0
3 years ago

Well, I wouldn’t want to live there. But at this rate of migration from France, the old enemy might well be more akin to Britain as we knew it in a decade or two.

Margaret Ogburn
Margaret Ogburn
3 years ago

Your article forgets one thing. These immigrants do not want to integrate. They soon congregate with others and before you know it you have a whole area run by Muslims who then make the area a no go for white people. Many of them hate us and our culture and want to bring it down in order for them to introduce their own culture and law system. You say they speak our language, any similarity ends there. Their culture does not mix with ours and we find their ways barbaric and dirty. Whenever there are a lot of immigrants in an area, crime rises and sexual assault and rape, not to mention grooming of children occurs. Even the EU admitted in 2018 that 70% of the ‘refugees’ do not qualify for asylum and I believe that number is now around 85%. 78% of the British Public are concerned about the number of illegal immigrants reaching our shores and 95% of Conservatives are not happy about this. The majority voted for Brexit and we voted Conservative to being our borders back under our control. Of course we should help genuine refugees but we are being flooded with economic migrants and this country has our own homeless people including veterans on the streets. They should be put first.

mike otter
MO
mike otter
3 years ago

Sad fact but only true because our princelings allow it – either to buy votes regardless of terrorist and FGM culture, or to appease their consciences because they are racists and feel uneasy about their racism. I know 100s of migrants who are totally on board with western post enlightenment values from MEA and former soviet countries and believe they are very well integrated. Its the minority who need helped and if need be forced in this direction.

Su O.
Su O.
3 years ago
Reply to  mike otter

You may indeed know hundreds of migrant who are on board with Western values, but that is really not an argument for granting asylum. It fails to respond to the many points made already, particularly those that speak to a vast increase in the population of a small island. Most of us do not want to see Britain’s beautiful rural landscape covered with concrete, nor can the country in any way support the number of people proposed. What would be the justification for bringing in more people when we clearly cannot provide for those we already have?

mike otter
mike otter
3 years ago
Reply to  Su O.

Assimilation of established migrants does not justify increasing migrant volumes, assimilated or otherwise, it merely shows it can be done. These desperate souls are proxies for a violent and deranged leftist creed that sees humans as pawns on a chessboard. We would need to ensure that there is no way for native Brits to choose benefits over employment if we wanted to staunch demand for cheap imported labor. That should not be achieved through force but a mixture of education and persuasion probably taking a few decades, which no UK political party has even considered offering.

Liz Davison
Liz Davison
3 years ago

As an adjunct to the comment below I would dare to suggest to this rather self-righteous writer that even if an efficient system existed, allowing asylum claims to be made from their own countries to give safe passage to the UK, those who weren’t accepted (the majority) would still go the trans-European route to Calais/Dover. Would you then still be pleading their case?

Jeff Chambers
Jeff Chambers
3 years ago

… a counternarrative is developing on the Left where it
is argued that Britain ought automatically to give sanctuary to people
seeking asylum on the basis that this country has played a “major role”
in precipitating the migration crisis…

But they never say what the limit is. This is because the Left have no limit. And this is because mass-immigration into white-majority countries is a political project designed “to elect a different people”.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Chambers

Indeed. For various reasons there has been a complete failure to turn the Third World into the First World. Thus we must turn the First World into the Third World. Thanks, lefties.

John Baldry
John Baldry
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Chambers

Totally agree that the “Left have no limits”. I believe there are two options. Either you make it difficult for those who arrive here, so that you make them think twice about coming, or you just send our ferries over to France and ask whoever wants to come to jump on. I am certainly not in that second camp.

Lucy Smex
Lucy Smex
3 years ago
Reply to  John Baldry

I’d rather send them back on the ferries to France…

Lucy Smex
LS
Lucy Smex
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Chambers

this country has played a “major role” in precipitating the migration crisis…

Not the people of this country. Blair and his followers, which include Cameron.
A million people marched against the Iraq war, and many others who didn’t march also objected. Blair and his government (and we’re looking at you, Alistair Campbell) took no notice, just ramped up the propaganda and rhetoric.

Margaret Ogburn
Margaret Ogburn
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeff Chambers

You only have to look at the Hate Crime Bill proposed in Scotland and applauded by Humza Haroon Yousaf

John Nutkins
John Nutkins
3 years ago

Many of the posts about your article reflect the nonsense you have written so I won’t dwell on all them except for two question: Do you consider a net immigration rate into this country of over 300,000 a year, sustained over a number of years, to be reasonable, and then how do we deal with them regarding housing, health, education, welfare, integration. No hurry for an answer – tomorrow will do.

Matthew Powell
MP
Matthew Powell
3 years ago

“However, it is not armed units washing up on the beaches but rather men and women who are in many instances fleeing from armed conflict.”

There’s an armed conflict in France?

” It is also untrue to say that EU law requires that refugees coming to Europe must apply for asylum in the first safe country he or she arrives in ” a common trope in recent weeks. A UK judge ruled in 1999 that “some element of choice is indeed open to refugees as to where they may properly claim asylum”.”

Another case of the politicised judiciary inventing rather than upholding the law.

T Arn
T Arn
3 years ago
Reply to  Matthew Powell

I agree with your second point – I don’t understand how the Dublin accords can be viewed in that way.. it is a terribly flawed law and this interpretation doesn’t respect the legislature.

Margaret Ogburn
MO
Margaret Ogburn
3 years ago
Reply to  Matthew Powell

They’re hardly going to turn up armed but that doesn’t mean they don’t have contacts here who will do that for them. It makes you wonder why some disappear when they get here and don’t take up the chance to live in a hotel. They obviously have people here to go to.

Michael McVeigh
MM
Michael McVeigh
3 years ago

Countries with welfare cannot have open borders. The vast majority of these ‘visitors’ are economic migrants & the UK simply cannot afford to allow limitless numbers of migrants, the majority of whom will draw benefits including legal aid for a long time.

David Mearns
David Mearns
3 years ago

It is reported that the body found on the Sangatte beach was that of a 25 year old pretending to be 16. This age reduction issue seems to be a common occurrence presumably because it attracts more UK welfare support placing greater responsibility (and cost) on our public services. I know of cases of such men in their 20’s being found as pupils at our secondary schools which raises safeguarding issues for younger pupils.

Lucy Smex
Lucy Smex
3 years ago

It’s not just Farage who has been highlighting the issue of migration to this country:

Migration Watch UK’s new paper finds that, when asked about the scale of immigration, clear majorities supported a reduction in ten different polls. This amounts to some 30million adults over half of whom wanted immigration reduced ‘by a lot’. A poll by YouGov last month found that 54 per cent think that immigration has been too high over the past decade. Only 5 per cent thought that it had been too low.

Another YouGov survey, updated a few days ago, found that nearly 61 per cent of the public believe that the government are handling the issue of immigration badly, a figure which has risen by 17 percentage points since March.

Alp Mehmet, chairman of Migration Watch UK, commented:

‘While public opinion may have become less negative about immigration, that could turn round very sharply if the government’s new system were to allow numbers to run out of control again. Indeed, the most negative reaction is likely to be among those who voted for the government for the first time last December.’

Are you going to accuse All Mehmet of whipping up anti-migration sentiment? Is he “bombastic” and irrelevant??

Here’s Joe Baron, writing in Conservative Woman:
All immigrants must be assimilable. They must share our inalienable commitments to individual liberty, parliamentary democracy and the rule of law; they must also feel a deep affection for the history, institutions and traditions that have shaped and defended these defining principles.

Yet this eminently sensible objective is being undermined by mass immigration, a phenomenon encouraged by Lefties like Winder. How can we possibly guarantee the loyalty of every one of the 600,000 newcomers who arrive each year?

It is simply impossible. It therefore stands to reason that we must reduce the numbers to manageable levels. This would not only allow the authorities adequately to scrutinise each applicant’s suitability, it would also represent a response, albeit unintended, to a long-overdue recognition of humanity’s natural resistance to radical change. “

Kate H. Armstrong
Kate H. Armstrong
3 years ago
Reply to  Lucy Smex

Migration Watch can be relied upon to supply reliable figures as opposed to those touted by the author and other members of the press, e.g. large Migration Watch polls covering 30 million individuals, found 61% of indigenous Brits objected, as opposed to this writer’s claim that as a result of whipped up “hysteria”: 49% of Britons said they have little (22%) to no sympathy (27%), for migrants attempting to cross the channel from France to England”.

I suggest, based on my own research, that the vast majority of politically ‘informed’ indigenous Brits will only give their ‘true’ opinion on this matter to an organisation they can ‘trust’ implicitly? Migration Watch IS that Organisation. Otherwise they might face a charge of ‘hate speech’ or ‘incitement’ (under the Blairite introduction of EU Human Rights Law which has been used to disenfranchise ‘white’ British), whilst protecting the Human Rights of illegal immigrants, grooming gangs, rapists and ‘returning’ members of ISIS.
.

Mike S
Mike S
3 years ago

“large Migration Watch polls covering 30 million individuals”

Do you really think Migration Watch has polled 30 million people, ie half of the ENTIRE U.K. population?!?

I don’t think so.

I’m sad to say the comments are full of dubious claims but yours stood out.

Jane Jones
JJ
Jane Jones
3 years ago
Reply to  Mike S

Doesn’t this depend on how the poll participants are randomized? One doesn’t have to actually poll a whole population in order to extrapolate to the population. I think this is the idea behind randomizing.

Ian Barton
Ian Barton
3 years ago

The best time for having a hard conversation on this subject is when we have “a moribund jobs market” and a “Covid crisis”

Ian McGregor
Ian McGregor
3 years ago

Why is everything round mass invasion reduced to relativism by the great apologists for this catastrophic destruction of our own society? I don’t care if Germany took 4 more migrants than us or any other country, this is not a game of who can virtue signal the most.

There is no merit whatsoever to opening our borders to people who will never integrate, who want us simply for the benefit tree we provide and have no intention of making any contribution to our society. The vast majority of our own people resent the continued almost blatant open border policy which has no valid mandate whatsoever from the electorate and it would never, ever be given.

If those that expound the virtues of being a landing strip for immigrants are so happy and confident about this then give us a Referendum on its continuation.

Paddy Taylor
Paddy Taylor
3 years ago

Whilst I agree that Macron’s response to the Gilets Jaunes has been heavy-handed and overly militaristic, I’m not sure that quite equates to saying that Migrants from France are “fleeing armed conflict”.

D Glover
D Glover
3 years ago

However, it is not armed units washing up on the beaches but rather men and women who are in many instances fleeing from armed conflict.

The Manchester Arena suicide bomber, Salman Abedi, has this history according to Wiki;

Abedi was injured in Ajdabiya that year while fighting for an Islamist group. The brothers were rescued from Tripoli by the Royal Navy survey ship HMS Enterprise in August 2014 as part of a group of 110 British citizens as the Libyan civil war erupted, taken to Malta and flown back to the UK.

Most of these refugees are young men; what could possibly go wrong?

mike otter
MO
mike otter
3 years ago

Whilst the migrants are clearly a political football like SARS-CoV2, there are herd of elephants in the room: France, Spain, Portugal are the main ones but there are others. These characters come here because we have given them the belief they will get free money, food, housing and healthcare, and most will. They get none of that in the countries i mentioned until they pay their taxes/NI/SegSoc for at least 3m. Until then they depend on the church and other charities. Even if they get work they will always be on the bottom with the local police and civil guard on hand to keep it that way. They are being conned by leftists and trouble causers and hand wringing numpties in the centre of British politics. The vast majority of Britons would not trick a young man into trying to cross the channel in a rubber dinghy, or a glassfibre one for that. The fact that this bourgeois political rabble thinks its okay to trick some lad into taking stupid risks at sea tells you all you need to know about them.

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago

Unfortunately, processing applications in France might be totally ineffective. As I understand it many to most of those who arrive in France have done so illegally at considerable risk and, rightly or wrongly, will probably only feel comfortable with officialdom once their feet are on UK soil. Similarly , those who are rejected are unlikely to give up their ‘dream’ of UK and could well still take to small boats and traffickers. I don’t know what the answer is although I’m pretty sure there is no single one answer and it will require a multi stringed , multi part approach. Another thing that I am sure about is that illegal immigration has been talked about by politicians and political parties of all persuasions for years and years without anything actually being done other than some token discussions and actions.

I tend to think that no Party intends to actually do something about the issue but prefer instead to use it every now and then as a convenient topic to win votes – left or right wing – and then let it slip down the agenda.

On one point – why would using the Navy result in deaths? I can’t see why this should happen. People in little boats aren’t actually going to be rescued by a large Cruiser but by small inflatables etc sent out by the Cruiser which, with its height advantage and radar etc can be helped to survey and spot small boats

D Glover
D Glover
3 years ago

The RN no longer has cruisers. Whatever size vessel the navy used is irrelevant, because the migrants would slash their inflatable with a Stanley knlfe. If it’s sinking, the navy will have to take them on board.

Robin Lambert
RL
Robin Lambert
3 years ago

The Smug author is All that is wrong with ”Issues or Woke” political correctness We have NO obligation to take 1.5million illegal entry Spongers.Even if they work its in ”illegal economy” Farmwork,Cleaning,Catering etc..One even admitted The People traffickers can Charge More for Getting through 7 Countries.The Slimy UN turns a blind eye & woffles about ”Casual racism” UK has 67 million officially 70Million unofficially in this country. it also shows Ineptness from MPs ,No Quarantine for 4 star hotel migrants,but No help for Ex Armed forces homeless.The Moral ”Superiority” by BBC,Guardian etc is laughable .Slave owning funded in May 1821 ”newspaper .”

simon taylor
simon taylor
3 years ago

” countries beset by corruption, ethnic and religious persecution, as well as plain old bad governance.”
Apart from this uncanny description of France, Bloodworth even does wokeness in a wishy washy manner.

pat_glynn
pat_glynn
3 years ago

“Fleeing from armed conflict” Where – in France?

Russ Littler
RL
Russ Littler
3 years ago

Yet another bleeding-heart liberal-lefty, journalist, who keeps referring to these invading economic migrants as “refugees”. Now, if we would only sink just one dinghy with a hail of machine gun bullets……..Just one….

Nigel Clarke
Nigel Clarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Russ Littler

Fool

Nigel Clarke
Nigel Clarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Clarke

To all those who down voted my reply to the comment that indicated that we should sink migrant dinghies…REALLY, ARE YOU THAT PHUCKING MENTALLY DERANGED THAT YOU WANT TO KILL PEOPLE?

FRASER BAILEY
IAN MCGREGOR
KATE H ARMSTRONG
ROBERT LAMBERT
IAN WIVLOW
RUSS LITTLER

I’LL TELL YOU WHAT, I’LL FILM YOU WHILE YOU SPEAR OR HARPOON ONE OF THOSE DINGHY’S AND WE CAN WATCH THE PEOPLE DROWN TO DEATH. HEY, IT’LL BE FUN…WON’T IT?

Russ Littler
RL
Russ Littler
3 years ago
Reply to  Nigel Clarke

Er?…Why? What makes my comment foolish?

Nigel Clarke
Nigel Clarke
3 years ago
Reply to  Russ Littler

You clearly have difficulty reading, so no real surprise that you are advocating the sinking of immigrant boats, and thus consigning human beings to death by drowning.

But you, and at least 5 others, think that drowning immigrants is the way forward to reducing immigration.
It would, at least, reduce the numbers of immigrants coming to the UK.

I would guess you wouldn’t want to dirty your hands with the actual sinking and murder, so who would you like to carry this out?

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
3 years ago

Iran, Albania, Iraq and Pakistan. None of these countries is at war. Even the Iraq argument as an UK responsibiliy is rapidly diminishing 17 years since the Iraq war. 17 years after the devastating 2nd World War, West Germany and Japan had re-built their economies and societies. I note that James also mentions ‘corruption’ as a reason / justification for people to flee their countries, this would imply maybe 70% of the world’s population being entitled to try and enter the UK and similar countries.

The core argument is whether we ever have the right as a nation (like the majority of others) to say, no, sorry, we don’t consider you qualify to come into this country, and you will not allowed in at all, or if necessary be in short order deported. The Left / Liberal / Human Rights argument is that in essence and for all practical purposes, we do not, whatever the strains on our own society or the wishes of the British people. The interests of anti-racist virtue signalling and feeling good about yourself is put way beyond any desires of the nation’s own citizens, long-term stability, or any long-term humane policy.

Surely it is obvious that the more people manage to stay in the UK, the more their status as refugees is accepted without demur, the more people will try their arm on the undoubtedly very hazardous journeys such ‘refugees’ undoubtedly undertake. And at this point the virtue-signalling ought to (but wouldn’t) stop, because we would therefore be entirely complicit in enriching some of the most ruthless criminals in the world. More fundamentally, it is not possible, even if it were desirable to try, to solve the many problems of the world through having an effective open-border policy.

Of course Western politicians are not entirely oblivous to the views of their citizens, so we see the entire hypocritical charade of piously saying one thing and doing another (France on its border with Italy, for example). Much better to have a clear and hard-headed policy, even up to abrogating any treaties where these in practice do not allow us to control our borders. Australia is one western nation that has successfully adopted a hard-headed and realistic policy to deter ‘refugees’ shipping up illegally on its shores. It is almost comical to see, as pointed out here, that Middle Eastern countries however wealthy have absolutely no interest in destabilising their own societies by accepting brother Arab and Muslim ‘refugees’.

James is right in one respect only, that this government is grandstanding and courting short-term popularity, and seems to have no coherent long-term approach let alone strategy to stopping almost anyone who turns up on our borders or shores from becoming a long-term resident.

simon taylor
ST
simon taylor
3 years ago

Always seems to set himself out as evenhanded, but always favours left of centre.

Su O.
Su O.
3 years ago
Reply to  simon taylor

The reasonable sounding voice and manner, the superior attitude, the appearance of even handedness, while not ever addressing the real issues and, in some instances, outright lying – i.e., fleeing armed conflict in France!

Dan Poynton
DP
Dan Poynton
3 years ago
Reply to  simon taylor

I think like most of us, to be fair, Simon. At least he does make a good attempt at introducing the material evenhandedly, which is pretty rare in this polarised era.

Paul Blakemore
Paul Blakemore
3 years ago

It is difficult to imagine an argument more reductive than James Bloodworth’s. These young men who cross huge areas of Africa or the Middle East, then Europe, to get to Britain, paying a fortune to smugglers along the way, are, he suggests, the people ”most desperately in need of our compassion”. I am sure many sick, elderly and vulnerable people in Kent would disagree.
It is a strange sort of compassion that supports a self-service asylum system that grants all the privileges of residency to those who turn up and demand it; while ignoring the countless millions who are much more at risk in the countries mentioned above. How many tens, or hundreds of millions are in need of our compassion? Rather than simply granting those who succeed in winning the asylum ‘it’s a knockout’ refuge; those tumbling out of their wee boats on the Kent coast, shouldn’t the compassionate Mr Bloodworth be calling for a system that actually collects these desperate people and flies them safely to Britain? The sick, the children, women living in hideously mysogynistic societies… The list is, of course endless, the numbers infinite.
Does Mr Bloodworth really believe Ms Patel and Mr Farage are attempting to ”whip the country into a hysterical fervour”. The emotive language is a give away of course. Reduce the debate to scoring some cheap political points.
I would be happy for Mr Bloodworth to let us know his opinions on the real issue: the countless millions of people who live in countries that are poor, harsh places to live and who would prefer to move to Britain or some other fairly civilised place. How compassionate should we be? How many millions each year should we take in?

Andrew Anderson
Andrew Anderson
3 years ago

Those arriving in the UK aren’t “fleeing from armed conflict”, since they’re already fled, as Chris martin pointed out. Instead, they are indeed economic migrants. Nothing wrong with that: indeed perhaps there’s an argument for using the Channel crossing as a test. Those who make it are the richest, the most reckless and the most ruthless. The people we really want to make a useful contribution to the UK, perhaps. Just as long as we don’t confuse such a practice with giving sanctuary to those most in need. We need a rational, coordinated asylum policy. James Bloodworth would presumably agree, but doesn’t say what he thinks it should be.

Su O.
Su O.
3 years ago

A rational, coordinated asylum policy would undoubtedly be one that recognizes the UK has already taken more than its share, and would acknowledge that a small island cannot be expected to do more than has already been done. Britain has every right to support and protect the way of life that most Britons want, even if that means opting out of further participation.

Paul M
Paul M
3 years ago

Good point. The gangs are the problem for offering “safe” passage and making huge sums of money at the expense of some (not all) desperate people. There was a very insightful interview on BBC radio 5 live with a serving member of the armed forces called Glen who was on the beach with his family and watched and then followed some arrivals he spotted and their handlers. Tells you all you need to know of the situation at present.

It should be viewed as a situation for rational calm non emotional solutions..anyone political cannot seem to grasp this or manage this? Its a fact that we cannot help everyone and there are, amongst genuine asylum seekers there are opportunists so apply a system that finds this out and act accordingly surely? My grandfather was an immigrant to several countries after the first world war when he fleed Turkey (he was Armenian) and sometimes he was successful sometimes he wasn’t with where he wanted to go to to make a living. He understood this so why can’t politicians? He ended up settling in the UK luckily for my family.

We shouldn’t encourage people to make the dangerous trip by being stupidly altruistic and at the same time help those in genuine need rebuild a life either here or their home.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

‘most who wind up seeking asylum in Europe are fleeing from countries beset by corruption, ethnic and religious persecution, as well as plain old bad governance.’

The problem being that they tend to bring these tendencies with them, and to embed them in our societies and governance, not that we don;t already have our fill of corruption and disastrous governance.

Frank B Brennan
Frank B Brennan
3 years ago

Bloodworth seems to hate Fararge because he brought it to the attention of us taxpayers, who are paying to look after these people with no say in the matter. Iran approx 40 million people of working age,11.8% unemployment. Pakistan approx 120000 million people of working age 5% unemployment.Albania 1.5 million approx people of working age 13.8% unemployment .So the vast majority of people we are paying to look after here, the vast majority in the Countries they come from are working and getting on with their lives.Some of these people we are paying our taxes for, could be criminals, or commit criminal acts in the future.I do want to pay for people I don’t know anything about, no id, no entry.

Basil Chamberlain
BC
Basil Chamberlain
3 years ago

Little shocks me about politics these days, but the Home Secretary’s apparent admission that her goal in devising legislation is to troll her ideological opponents came close. I confess I think Labour MP Peter Kyle has the right response to this: ‘When the Home Secretary Priti Patel promises new asylum laws that will “send the left into meltdown,” you get a sense of what motivates these people. It is not dealing with problems. It is weaponising them.’

I don’t think it’s possible to take the politics out of a fraught issue such as asylum. I do think it’s possible for politics to be conducted in such a way as actually to address and deal with important issues, rather than scoring partisan points.

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago

Come off it Basil, it’s not called the Adversarial system for nothing.

Basil Chamberlain
Basil Chamberlain
3 years ago
Reply to  Mark Corby

Well, I always was a Butskellite at heart!

Mark Corby
Mark Corby
3 years ago

Had Parliament continued to meet in the Chapter House of Westminster Abbey (octagonal), rather than move to St Stephen’s Chapel (rectangular), we might have had something more like a ‘Butskellite’ system.

chrisjwmartin
chrisjwmartin
3 years ago

I don’t think she admitted that sending the left into meltdown was her goal. She pointed out that sending the left into meltdown was an inevitable side effect. When faced with an opponent who refuses to act rationally, one should not be surprised or concerned when they go into meltdown over the slightest thing.

opn
opn
3 years ago

The BBC was weaponising this business as recently as yesterday’s Home Service Six o’Clock News. And it was not to support the views of HM present Government that they were doing it.

Andrew M
Andrew M
3 years ago

This article is a reverse dog whistle. Has worked well.

Steve Gwynne
Steve Gwynne
3 years ago

The UK has a massive ecological debt and so continued population growth demands imports, land grabbing, forced land evictions, deforestation, urban poverty and migration.

Asylum seekers, refugees and economic migrants should go to ecological credit countries, not countries with a massive ecological debt.
https://t.co/0AaCktKl50

Dan Poynton
DP
Dan Poynton
3 years ago
Reply to  Steve Gwynne

So true, however most “refugees” don’t seem very interested in those countries, and even more so, ironically, when those countries espouse their own belief system. Increasing one’s carbon footprint is the only way to go (I suppose we can’t blame them – we’re all human).

john h
john h
3 years ago

I need to type this info so others get an insight. I am trying my hardest to contact my local MP and explain what has happen in my mini micro situation. This is very likely to be a replicated story across the UK.

I am a small landlord, but it is my job, so please dont shoot me down for this. In early 2018 my council contacted me to ask if i would house a refugee tenant. I am a registered LL with them and advertise on their notice boards.

I said no problem, but i would need to meet the family. They came from Eritrea, Africa. Very nice people and no issues so it was a yes.

They are still my tenants and i have gotten to know them quite well. The key thing to note is that they are not fleeing problems, only unemployment. They want a better life because it is tough in their country if you dont have a government job.

The father came first, through the Sahara desert on the back of a van, taking about 6 days. Through Libya, over the med and into Italy. Then through Europe and into the UK. He was held in a centre for over a year and was then processed to live in a small terrace in a northern city. He worked at Next in its warehouse over a christmas period 2018 i think.

Once given asylum and the right to remain, work and claim benefits he was allocated a house – mine. Just prior to this he purchased plane tickets and flew his wife and 3 y/o daughter over here to be with him. They also get the same rights.

He has been my tenant for 2 1/2 years now, doesnt work and receives full state benefits. All the rent is paid and he gets child benfit, unemployment allowance and tax credits. They have also had a new baby boy. Their total income is £16-18k including rent.

My second asylum family has been with me for 2 years. I dont know as much about this family because they speak french and i am not so good with languages. Again a very nice family, a mum, son aged 15 and daughter aged 8.

They come from the Gabon and only last week did i find out a bit about their life. Her sister from London and Manchester was visiting and we were chatting as i was re-pointing the house The family is pretty wealthy and my tenant owns 4 rental properties back home. They are here on full benefits and will be on similar money to my first family. The mum doesnt work and compared to my other family they have a higher standard of living.

Our generous welfare system is quite simply abused left right and center. It is being specifically targeted by the third world populations. The issue for me is not that these people try and come and use the system for their benefit. Surely anyone would do the same. The issue is that our system allows this to happen. We must start to discuss these issues and the realities happening across the UK.

For balance i see many UK families trying to get away with the same stuff, but it is actually getting harder for these guys to milk it as much. The benefits system is a monster problem, but that is a whole different debate.

john.hurley2018
john.hurley2018
3 years ago

“However, it is not armed units washing up on the beaches but rather men and women who are in many instances fleeing from armed conflict.”

i didn’t see that.

Lee Johnson
Lee Johnson
3 years ago

‘: Germany and France
the number of asylum applications per year as the UK.’

I rest my case..

Tim Lewis
Tim Lewis
3 years ago

Process asylum claims outside of Britain? Excellent! After nearly 500 years it’s high time to take back Calais.

Andrew Fisher
Andrew Fisher
3 years ago

Iran, Albania, Iraq and Pakistan. None of these countries is at war. Even the Iraq argument as an UK responsibiliy is rapidly diminishing after 17 years since the Iraq war. 17 years after the devastating 2nd World War, West Germany and Japan had re-built their economies and societies. I note that James also mentions ‘corruption’ as a reason / justification for people to flee their countries, this would imply maybe 70% of the world’s population being entitled to try and enter the UK and similar countries.

The core argument is whether we ever have the right as a nation (like the majority of others) to say, no, sorry, we don’t consider you qualify to come into this country, and you will not allowed in at all, or if necessary be in short order deported. The Left / Liberal / Human Rights argument is that in essence and for all practical purposes, we do not, whatever the strains on our own society or the wishes of the British people. The interests of anti-racist virtue signalling and feeling good about yourself is put way beyond any desires of the nation’s own citizens, long-term stability, or any long-term humane policy.

Surely it is obvious that the more people manage to stay in the UK, the more their status as refugees is accepted without demur, the more people will try their arm on the undoubtedly very hazardous journeys such ‘refugees’ undoubtedly undertake. And at this point the virtue-signalling ought to (but wouldn’t) stop, because we would therefore be entirely complicit in enriching some of the most ruthless criminals in the world. More fundamentally, it is not possible, even if it were desirable to try, to solve the many problems of the world through having an effective open-border policy.

Of course Western politicians are not entirely oblivous to the views of their citizens, so we see the entire hypocritical charade of piously saying one thing and doing another (France on its border with Italy, for example). Much better to have a clear, fair and hard-headed policy, even up to abrogating any treaties where these in practice do not allow us to control our borders, since the International treaties on asylum are now clearly being abused on a huge scale.

Australia is one western nation that has successfully adopted a hard-headed and realistic policy to deter ‘refugees’ shipping up illegally on its shores. It is almost comical to see, as pointed out here, that Middle Eastern countries however wealthy have absolutely no interest in destabilising their own societies by accepting brother Arab and Muslim ‘refugees’.

James is right in one respect however, that this government is grandstanding and courting short-term popularity, and seems to have no coherent long-term approach let alone strategy to stopping almost anyone who turns up on our borders or shores from becoming a long-term resident.

Ian Cooper
Ian Cooper
3 years ago

Farage isn’t very popular but to be disdainful of him in drawing attention to the migrancy issue seem a little cheap and he has been effective. With a large majority the government could insist on asylum claims being dealt with abroad as JB suggests. His comment that, ‘we live in a prosperous country in a tumultuous world world where refugees are part of the equation whether we like it or not,’ does bespeak though of a cynical indifference to an awful lot of people. They are ticked off by immigration, which they never asked to vote on, and see official inaction and incompetence as well as the money spent on the migrant’s hotel accommodation as just adding insult to injury. No wonder Scruton spoke of ‘ordinary’ people ‘not being consulted but insulted ‘ by immigration.

kevin.bennewith
kevin.bennewith
3 years ago

Ironic that Mr Bloodworth ” is a journalist and author of Hired: Six Months Undercover in Low-Wage Britain, which was longlisted for the Orwell Prize 2019.” Is he trying for Winston Smith’s job?

john h
JH
john h
3 years ago

I need to type this info so others get an insight. I am trying my hardest to contact my local MP and explain what has happen in my mini micro situation. This is very likely to be a replicated story across the UK.

I am a small landlord, but it is my job, so please dont shoot me down for this. In early 2018 my council contacted me to ask if i would house a refugee tenant. I am a registered LL with them and advertise on their notice boards.

I said no problem, but i would need to meet the family. They came from Eritrea, Africa. Very nice people and no issues so it was a yes.

They are still my tenants and i have gotten to know them quite well. The key thing to note is that they are not fleeing problems, only unemployment. They want a better life because it is tough in their country if you dont have a government job.

The father came first, through the Sahara desert on the back of a van, taking about 6 days. Through Libya, over the med and into Italy. Then through Europe and into the UK. He was held in a centre for over a year and was then processed to live in a small terrace in a northern city. He worked at Next in its warehouse over a christmas period 2018 i think.

Once given asylum and the right to remain, work and claim benefits he was allocated a house – mine. Just prior to this he purchased plane tickets and flew his wife and 3 y/o daughter over here to be with him. They also get the same rights.

He has been my tenant for 2 1/2 years now, doesnt work and receives full state benefits. All the rent is paid and he gets child benfit, unemployment allowance and tax credits. They have also had a new baby boy. Their total income is £16-18k including rent.

My second asylum family has been with me for 2 years. I dont know as much about this family because they speak french and i am not so good with languages. Again a very nice family, a mum, son aged 15 and daughter aged 8.

They come from the Gabon and only last week did i find out a bit about their life. Her sister from London and Manchester was visiting and we were chatting as i was re-pointing the house The family is pretty wealthy and my tenant owns 4 rental properties back home. They are here on full benefits and will be on similar money to my first family. The mum doesnt work and compared to my other family they have a higher standard of living.

Our generous welfare system is quite simply abused left right and center. It is being specifically targeted by the third world populations. The issue for me is not that these people try and come and use the system for their benefit. Surely anyone would do the same. The issue is that our system allows this to happen. We must start to discuss these issues and the realities happening across the UK.

For balance i see many UK families trying to get away with the same stuff, but it is actually getting harder for these guys to milk it as much. The benefits system is a monster problem, but that is a whole different debate.

titan0
titan0
3 years ago
Reply to  john h

Interesting experience. Here’s one for you.
While living and working in post communist but pre EU Bulgaria, a long term acquaintance, not that it matters to me, a Roma Gypsy, indigenous to the country for centuries, sat with me. He was dressed very formally. We smoked and drank rakia.
Then he took a piece of paper and wrote … 100,000.00 Leva. About fifty thousand Euros now.
He was offering the money to buy the marriage of my barely fifteen year old daughter.
It was obvious that at the time, it was his chance to get to Britain with wife, sons, daughters and brand new British daughter in law.
The amount offered is indicative of the opportunity benefits and work, if he could find it was worth to him then. So why would it not be the case for others now?
On drives through the old Jugoslavia we were pestered and offered loads of waved cash to smuggle people through borders then the EU then to Britain.

john h
john h
3 years ago
Reply to  titan0

Go back today and pretty sure you will see mansions built from benefit money accumulated while living over here and claiming for children still living in Bulgaria. It is a huge industry. There is a village on the Ukraine / romanian border where these mansions exists as i have seen them. My wife is ukranian and her dad told me how these huge houses have come to be.

titan0
titan0
3 years ago
Reply to  john h

Knowing that a surgeon in the state system could earn more money as a taxi driver in the summer, it is hardly surprising that unskilled people want to get here to benefit from work and or benefits.

Phil Bolton
Phil Bolton
3 years ago

A good balanced piece pointing out the dogma of both sides making political points. And both sides do have a point. We do have a problem with resources for these people when they arrive (Kent County Council for one), but it’s hard not to feel a degree of sympathy for them. Can there not be a greater focus on targeting the traffickers ? These are scum-bags, taking precious resources from the migrants, then shoving them off into dangerous waters in an inflatable boat and a lifejacket. Surely they can be identified with some decent detective work ?

D.C.S Turner
DT
D.C.S Turner
3 years ago

Good balanced piece, entirely misunderstood by the mostly lunatic comments on it from the right wingers on here.

A Spetzari
A Spetzari
3 years ago
Reply to  D.C.S Turner

Yes agreed – it is a good piece which explores both sides well.

Not enough of the discourse is about trying to help nations downstream however. Most people do not want to leave their homeland, many are forced to with few other options and opportunities.

That conversation is even more complex though.

Not sure that characterising voices concerned by immigration as “lunatic” or even “right wing” is too helpful though, and part of the point of the article.

Su O.
Su O.
3 years ago
Reply to  A Spetzari

If you think the article explores both sides well, you have not read the comments. Numerous valid points have been made, not the least of which is the clear and ongoing dismissal of the will of the British people, which has been made quite clear.

Ian Barton
IB
Ian Barton
3 years ago
Reply to  D.C.S Turner

Your comment beautifully illustrates the arrogance of some people, who conclude that people who object to something must have “misunderstood” it.

Shame on you …

John Nutkins
John Nutkins
3 years ago
Reply to  D.C.S Turner

A comment by an insulting, arrogant and ignorant prat who has in all probability done nothing in his pointless life. What price freedom of speech to read your drivel!

Su O.
Su O.
3 years ago
Reply to  D.C.S Turner

It’s quite telling that you in no way respond to a single one of the perfectly reasonable points made in the comments, but move immediately to infantile name calling.

T J Putnam
T J Putnam
3 years ago

Good discussion. Never mind the poisonous Farage, this Government would rather whip up fears of being overwhelmed rather than taking any steps towards doing as much as other countries to tackle the problem. Looking at some of the comments here you can see why Tories think this is good business, especially when nothing much is going right for them.
As Brexit further undermines people’s security and well being, this sort of tactic will be even more in use. Those who would like Britain to come closer to taking its asylum responsibilities seriously need to remember that insecurity at home is real and acknowledge Britain and all the other destination countries won’t be able to meet all the demands which may be placed on them by disintegration elsewhere. Absolutist demands to save everyone are and will continue to be politically self defeating.

John Nutkins
John Nutkins
3 years ago
Reply to  T J Putnam

Elaborate, if you can, on the ‘poisonous’ Farage! An idiotic, indeed ignorant and insulting post – by insulting I mean against all the people who voted leave in the referendum and further hugely endorsed in the last GE. Your arrogance is in inverse proportion to your depth of knowledge.