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Will America ever be great again? Even if it wins this year, the Left seems incapable of bringing the country together

Can the Left heal the nation after the trauma of the Trump years. Photo: Brendan Smialowski/AFP via Getty Images

Can the Left heal the nation after the trauma of the Trump years. Photo: Brendan Smialowski/AFP via Getty Images


July 30, 2020   5 mins

What if America rejects Trump but cannot find a new way to live: a new direction, a balm, a form of healing? There are some conventional reasons to fear American carnage, to use the president’s memorable inauguration speech phrase. If the United States unravels — if the Left is as incapable of re-establishing solidarity as Donald Trump has been — then it is not going to be sending aircraft carriers to sort out the Straits of Hormuz or to police the South China Sea. Someone else might have to — or no-one — a rebalancing of world power that won’t make us any freer.

But that’s not the biggest problem for the rest of us, and nor is the loss of American soft power. Hollywood can wither away or (likelier) get lost in its own fundament. We would survive. US universities might dominate international league tables but hey, Oxford and London, not Harvard and Yale, are bringing us (let’s pray) coronavirus vaccines.

No: the reason America dysfunction matters is less tangible but psychologically so much more powerful: the United States is owned by all of us in what we might roughly term the free world. We are of it. It is of us. The experiment in self-government that America (imperfectly) represents seems somehow vital to all our futures because we are invested in it — we have feelings for it, and feelings against it.

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Some love it and some loathe it, but more importantly: billions of people around the globe do both. When it comes to America almost no-one is uninterested. We are involved. But it’s equally true, in the George Floyd era, that almost no-one is an out-and-out fan. We feel invested in the project because the project is so huge and boisterous and naïve and inspiring and yet sickeningly flawed at the same time.

When the flaws come to the fore you don’t have to be a psychotherapist to see how our reactions might be affected by our disgust at ourselves — call it Netflix angst. We wish we had not been so keen on the damned place and we want to atone. We should not have loved the Beachboys, or Obama, or been so blind to the horrors of racism and endemic poverty.

As the German publisher and academic Joseph Joffe once wrote of the causes of anti-Americanism, “Seduction is worse than imposition. It makes you feel weak, and so you hate the soft-pawed corrupter, as well as yourself.”

So the question arises, as Trump teeters and the world watches repulsed and attracted in equal measure: what kind of a nation is America? Actually is. Not should be or would be or was: just is. If you opened up the hood, as my American-schooled children would say, what would you find?

Well, most Americans are socialists, at least according to a book out next month — a book not as batty as that sentence makes it seem. The central argument of Evil Geniuses, by the journalist Kurt Andersen, is that by the standard definitions used by Republicans to describe socialism – that’s where most folks on main street actually are.

They want more regulation of Wall St. They want a wealth tax. They think corporations should pay more too. And in a big change — a sea change since the days of Reagan — most think that “circumstances beyond their control cause people to be poor”. When shown the slogan “Communism is American power plus electrification,” most Americans swoon.

Oh alright, I made up the last one. But the view of poverty is eye-catching (it’s from a regular survey conducted by the conservative American Enterprise Institute) and even more so when added to a Gallup poll in 2018 that found a solid majority wanted to reduce inequality.

I had always thought that inequality was of no interest at all to most Americans. I hoped so too,  for mainly anthropological reasons: it made them more interesting. But I may be wrong, and perhaps they are, in fact, as dull as us.

“America today is not a center-right country,” the Princeton sociologist Paul Starr wrote in 2018, but rather “a country with a center-right economic elite” that dominates. Throw off the influence of that elite — Kurt Andersen’s eponymous Evil Geniuses — and the nation would become, well, what it was in the good old days before they had control.

I am not so sure.

There is a Left — a roughly social democratic Left — in America: of that there is no doubt. Andersen writes eloquently of labour unions and social solidarity among working people, ironically a solidarity whose apogee was reached under Nixon in the early 1970s. The Nixon who built on rather than challenging FDR’s New Deal, and who was happy to spend on social programmes. Nixon was not himself a liberal, of course, but as Andersen writes, he was “a canny stone-cold cynic going along with the liberal flow”.

Then the flow stopped. Those Evil Geniuses hijacked the nation and the rest is history. Andersen (and many others on the American Left including Joe Biden) suggest that the re-finding of social democracy is a matter of returning home to normality.

There is one problem, however.

Let us assume for a moment that Donald Trump loses in November and the Republican Party spends some time licking its wounds, out of power not just in the White House but in Congress too. What do the Democrats want to do with America?  Do they embrace the Andersen retro programme?

What if they do not? What if the new American Left is — as the philosopher Richard Rorty put it, exhausted? Rorty thought that the old social democratic American Left “collapsed during the late sixties under the burden of the conflagration surrounding the Vietnam War” and was replaced by one that thought the only way forward was a “complete dismantling of the ‘system’”.

The opening sentence of Rorty’s magisterial Achieving Our Country, published back in 1998, reads “National pride is to countries what self-respect is to individuals, a necessary condition for self-improvement.”

And, he argued, national pride in America is just what the American left had lost — and if that was true in 1998 it is true with knobs on in 2020: to quote the great philosopher, “a spectatorial, disgusted, mocking Left” understands the nation in a way that “leads them to step back from their country and, as they say, ‘theorize’ it. It leads them to … give cultural politics preference over real politics, and to mock the very idea that democratic institutions might once again be made to serve social justice.”

Rorty, who died in 2007, was not an complete enemy of the new Left’s keenness on race and gender — he thought they had a point — but he knew that it would end in tears. He knew that identity politics would ditch the uncomfortable, sweaty-smelling folks in the unions, the welders and electricians and carpenters and that those (mainly white) men would in turn ditch the Democrats. And so it came to pass, and now we might be post-Rorty with no road back.

Does the American Left have what it takes to knit together the nation when its modern iteration so clearly dislikes so much about it? After the statues ,what else must fall? What other horrors must be uncovered? The jury is out, to put it mildly, on whether American atonement might be over soon or just beginning. If the question is between social solidarity or continued struggle, plenty of modern Democrats have had it with the former and are willing to embrace the latter.

They may or may not be right, or justified, but if America finds no comfort and no direction we will all suffer the consequences.   There’s a lot riding on the Biden presidency, if it comes. For them, and, as ever, for us.


Justin Webb presents the Americast podcast and Today on Radio Four. His Panorama documentary “Trump the Sequel”, is available now on  Iplayer

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Nick Whitehouse
Nick Whitehouse
3 years ago

I think the real problem for America and the West is that they have forgotten that it is necessary to earn a living before one can spend.
Trump reminded America of that fact, and as a consequence was hated by the illiberal and regressive left – particularly in the media – as illustrate by this article.
I live in hope, that Trump is elected again, and that the process he started to make America great again will continue.
I would much rather live in a world with a powerful America, than one with an all powerful China.

D Glover
D Glover
3 years ago

I try hard to like Trump, but when he endorses Dr Stella Immanuel he makes it too hard for me.
The uptick is for your last sentence.

Jimmy Edwards
Jimmy Edwards
3 years ago
Reply to  D Glover

It’s not about liking the man. I do try.. and well, let’s just say I don’t hate him. But as alluded to…I like my country even more than the man. And I like the fact that he stands in the way of what I believe to be a very destructive agenda, one that is intended to “sell out” my children’s future. For now… or maybe just a few more months, I appreciate his effort to protect my ability to participate in the prosperity and freedoms that I and my parents have been blessed to experience.

D Glover
DG
D Glover
3 years ago
Reply to  Jimmy Edwards

I know that there is an emperor in Beijing. I know that there is a Czar in Moscow. I know there is an unelected president in Brussels.

I have to believe that there is a democratically elected president in Washington, otherwise democracy ‘shall perish from the face of the earth’

I wish it weren’t Trump. I wish it weren’t Biden, too. Why can’t you find some decent candidates?

Janice Mermikli
Janice Mermikli
3 years ago

There is nobody I like, or have ever really liked, in American politics, apart from Al Gore, and I do not believe that Biden would be much better than the extremely dysfunctional Trump – one poor choice of a candidate being exchanged for another.
However, your last sentence is spot on. I agree entirely.

Jeremy Smith
JS
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago

“…they have forgotten that it is necessary to earn a living before one can spend. Trump reminded America of that fact.”

How many times has Trump gone bankrupt?
The man that was going to build the wall and get Mexico to pay for it.
The man that would deliver better healthcare cheaper and with more choice!

O C
O C
3 years ago

Trump bugs me but so does the identity politics of the Democratic left. The spasms of self loathing are being kept mainly to the US but what happens when they spill out to the rest of the World which is not nearly as ‘progressive’? Wait till the next Olympics when the US enter a load of blokes into the women’s events – see how much the rest of the planet will appreciate the Democratic left. If they focussed on jobs, wages, wealth inequality they could be very effective but why the constant focus on issues that only serve to tear apart the population?

Janice Mermikli
JM
Janice Mermikli
3 years ago
Reply to  O C

The (now banned) Russians have been entering ” a load of blokes” in the women’s events of the Olympics for many years!

Jeremy Smith
JS
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago

And East Germans

M Blanc
M Blanc
3 years ago

True, but they tried to hide the fact such women were pumped full of drugs. Our entrants will boast about their transition.

M Blanc
M Blanc
3 years ago
Reply to  O C

I don’t know where you live, but it seems to me that Western Europeans surpass the US in Wokeism by a good margin.

Brian Dorsley
Brian Dorsley
3 years ago
Reply to  M Blanc

Yes and no. It’s more pervasive in Europe, but more extreme in the US if that makes sense.

M Blanc
M Blanc
3 years ago
Reply to  Brian Dorsley

Could be. Other than a visit every two or three years, my perception of Europe is solely from media.

Jimmy Edwards
Jimmy Edwards
3 years ago
Reply to  O C

Actually I am surprised the Democratic party did not implode during the primaries. Kudos to them, At best they are actually two parties, a split personality of sorts, willing to tolerate one another in their mutual hatred of a common enemy. If they win in November expect the ability of the far-left Bernie progressives and more mainstream Biden liberals to coalesce past Mar-2021 to dissipate as fast as one can say the word “dementia” . With no more Trump to unite them the honeymoon period of re-occupying the White House will be short lived. With a predictably weak and malleable sheath of a puppet leader occupying the most powerful office in the world, I expect it to get ugly… quickly. They will pounce on power grabs and attempts to push forward extremely divisive ideologies, fronted by a man who like “good old grandpa” is too disconnected to know he is being conned by a Nigerian phone scam. Malarkey as they like to call it. If people like AOC and Beto are really given cabinet positions or special appointments, expect precious weeks and months to be spent appeasing these self-loathing identity cults, tearing apart constitutional rights, and a dismantling of the economy that would even make the Swedish Gaia, Greta, smile… for the first time in her life.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

The so-called American left can’t even put forward a candidate who knows where he is, what day it is or who he is. Not that there is anything of the left about Biden and the corporate Democrats. If anything they are more ruthlessly capitalistic than Trump, and they are much more enthusiastic about war.

Russ Littler
Russ Littler
3 years ago

Will America ever be great again?….Er.. not until Marxism is banished.

Jeremy Smith
JS
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Russ Littler

Yes, Marxism is the problem for USA.

Andrew Best
Andrew Best
3 years ago

Any One who does not take the lame stream medias view of what has been happening n America would see that the democrats are insane.
Trump is going to win and then 4 more years of trump and they will have to be sectioned.
Just like the working classes rejected Corbyns labour the same will happen to Bidens democrats, why would you vote for a party that fundamentally wants to destroy your country, culture, history?
You don’t

Jeremy Smith
Jeremy Smith
3 years ago
Reply to  Andrew Best

Trump lost the popular vote by 3M , it just happened that the ball bounced his way in the electoral college.
Trump lost the Midterm elections in 2018.

Andrew Baldwin
Andrew Baldwin
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

No way. The ball didn’t simply bounce Trump’s way. Trump’s objective wasn’t to win the popular vote. His objective was to win a majority of votes in the electoral college. Trump knew the swing states he needed to win and he won them. And we have been hearing this “didn’t win the popular vote” garbage ever since. Justin Trudeau didn’t win the popular vote in the 2019 election. Conservative leader Andrew Scheer did. That’s the way the first-past-the-post system that Trudeau solemnly vowed he would replace before the 2019 election happened to work out. Everyone on the Canadian right accepted the result, even though we didn’t like it. We understand our laws and respect them. But the Dems seem to think it’s an outrage that Bush won in 2000 or Trump in 2016. They’re like big babies. They may win the popular vote again this time, but they certainly don’t deserve to.

Bill Gaffney
BG
Bill Gaffney
3 years ago
Reply to  Jeremy Smith

Jeremy lost what few “leetle gray cells” he might ever have had with his usual BravoSierra comment.

kstafford3114
kstafford3114
3 years ago

I can assure you that most “folks on Main Street” are not Socialists by any definition.

Cho Jinn
Cho Jinn
3 years ago
Reply to  kstafford3114

It’s the tyranny of undefined terms. My family is, roughly, a “socialist” enterprise – I don’t send my wife invoices for taking out the garbage (although….) – but I most assuredly am disinclined to allow an unaccountable bureaucracy of strangers any more control over my life than absolutely necessary. Can one be “Very Small Box Socialist?”

Alexander Allan
Alexander Allan
3 years ago

The divide in the USA goes beyond politics. It is actually one that is more fundamentally based on what it is to be human. On the one side you have mainly the religious and on the other side the atheists and New Agers. The former believe that all men are flawed, the control of self comes through exercising virtue through restraining the appetite not the state and that there is a purpose beyond the here and now. The latter believe all men are good but systems cause them to do wrong, and therefore an enlightened virtuous elite needs to monopolise power for the greater good and create a world of equal outcome as this is all there is.

These two worldviews are irreconcilable. This will only deteriorate further into either anarchy or civil war. The Democrats can’t stop it – they think that anyone who does agree with them is evil. The rest of the world will follow as we enter a new global Reign of Terror.

David Barnett
David Barnett
3 years ago

The two views are not irreconcilable, unless you are wedded to leftist coercive “solutions”. That is because the coercive “solutions” deny human agency.

The reconciliation comes from trusting human agency, but recognising that institutional incentives can influence choices. For example, a bureaucratic regulator has an incentive to be overly restrictive, because one bad outcome will inconvenience him much more than a thousand good outcomes thwarted.

Fraser Bailey
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Very true. It has been obvious for a long time that the US just needs to split into these two groups. The problem is that it just doesn’t work geographically as far as I can tell. At least, not without the mass movement of people.

Of course, the other problem is that within days, those on the New Age country would be clamouring to get into the Conservative/Religious country because the New Age country would go into a rapid state of collapse.

David Bottomley
PG
David Bottomley
3 years ago

Whoever becomes the next President needs to rise above the Woke, BLM issues. Embrace the as important but set out a bigger vision for the country – one in which the threads of BLM etc are woven into a much bigger, greater vision of the future USA. At present, the US is in danger of becoming defined simply by Wokeness – down which path it will slowly devour itself .

Jimmy Edwards
Jimmy Edwards
3 years ago

One could hope we’d elect a leader who could step forward to do that. I think we all believed Obama was going to be that man. It’s why we voted for him, twice.. a junior senator whose really own experience was as a community organizer… in a rather pathetic city (my hometown). One can argue things got worse, much worse under him. And I can pretty much tell you it won’t be Trump. I’m not sure he has that vision… and if he did the resistance of allowing him to do anything deemed as good would be sabotaged. People would rather destroy this country than allow Trump to have success. Incredible but they are actually on record as saying so. Biden? With his history of highly questionable, if not racially charged comments, is way to detached from reality. If anything, the divisive ideology of identity politics gets usurped by the extremists under him. We’ll be looking at the riots and chaos of today as the good old days in no time.

Julian Fletcher
JF
Julian Fletcher
3 years ago

I’m pessimistic

Bill Gaffney
Bill Gaffney
3 years ago

Once again UnHerd has lowered itself by publishing an article by Hack Webb. Mr. Webb would do well to pay less attention to “polls” (all are suspect) and Communist traitor professors spewing forth propaganda. But…he wouldn’t then be Webb.

Janice Mermikli
Janice Mermikli
3 years ago
Reply to  Bill Gaffney

is Webb a Communist?

Fraser Bailey
FB
Fraser Bailey
3 years ago

Worse. He worked for the BBC. Possibly still does. I don’t know. I threw out the TV 20 years ago and refuse to listen to BBC radio apart from the football.

Jon Quirk
Jon Quirk
3 years ago

In asking the question we also need to understand what made America great in the first place.

And the answer to that is quite simple; dysfunction in Europe.

It was this that drove so many to America in the first place – seeking space from religious intolerance in the main.

Next the two European wars, that became global wars, in which America largely abstained until it was certain which way the wind was blowing. Until then, America had earned a fortune, and built up it’s industrial base in the process.

And then of course after the war the re-building of Europe on loans from America again greatly enriched the good old US of A.

So in asking the question, can America be great again, is it not the case that we need another war, but with not America as one of the main protagonists, but rather as a side-line watcher, supplying both sides?

Any bests on who this could be? China v Russia?

David Radford
David Radford
3 years ago

In a naive way I see the USA as an entity where individuals from the rest of the free world can switch their view like a Marmite hater that suddenly change to love it, and then perhaps switch back again.
Trump has substantially increased the “hate USA” numbers and if he wins again that won’t change
The real problem for me is that the Biden troupe even with a well picked Vice Pres simply don’t have the oomph to change our view, and won’t do anything to reverse the country’s internal disintegration either.
What is needed to capture all our imaginations and hope’s is a modern version of JFK – young, vigorous and brave plus eye catching!
The Democrats had the chance to selece a possibe young male or female candidate like this and blew it.
They don’t deserve to win and probably will. But they are completely incapable of making America great again at home or abroad.

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago
Reply to  David Radford

Yep, from the outside and to me it does look like a very , and increasingly divided nation

Janice Mermikli
Janice Mermikli
3 years ago
Reply to  David Radford

Make America GRATE (on everyone else) again!

swallis
swallis
3 years ago

I think there is a deeper problem than Left vs. Right. That divide is a symptom of the general fragmentation of society. Our fragmentation is seen in our inability to cooperate, collaborate, and generally work together. Not necessarily “everyone working to a common goal” because not everyone has the same goals (nor should they). One thing makes America great is its people working toward interdependent goals. What you do ultimately helps be in some way and visa versa. As a nation, we have forgotten that we must work together, lest we fall apart. Interestingly, that lack of internal cohesion, that fragmentation, is reflected in our Constitution. Yes – the Constitution is flawed. Not because of what it does (or does not) contain, but because of how those contents are structured. It is like a puzzle where the pieces do not quite fit together. Yes, we can can kind of see what the picture is supposed to be… but each person has a different interpretation. And those difference cause confusion and conflict. I have a longer article under submission to an academic journal – but a short post on the idea is here: https://www.linkedin.com/pu

Kelly Mitchell
Kelly Mitchell
3 years ago

Yeah, I’m beginning to wonder if orange isn’t the lesser of two…?

David Barnett
David Barnett
3 years ago

A lot will hinge on Biden’s VP choice. You can bet that the Trump campaign will emphasise that a vote for Biden is really a vote for his VP. If the VP is unpopular, so will be Biden.

Even if Biden were not senile, I would not vote for him, because he proved he had contempt for the Bill of Rights during the Clarence Thomas Supreme Court nomination hearings (1991).

Tim Flowers
Tim Flowers
3 years ago

Donald Trump is not the problem. He has not divided the United States. In fact he’s worked harder than most to bring us all together, but the toxic and hate filled Left has completely lost it’s collective mind to try and destroy him, because he represents everything they hate: patriotism, freedom, principles, and racial unity. They can’t build their socialist utopia unless we’re all divided and at each other’s throats. After 8 years of Obama conditioning us for a Marxist future, along came Trump and their dream was smashed. Now in desperation they’re doing all they can to destabilize the nation, hoping we’ll run back to the fake security of Leftist politics. Yes, many Americans do support Socialism, but only because they’ve been lied to by college professors and our corrupt news media for so long the lies have begun to look sensible. Hopefully, there are enough freedom loving people left to keep our Constitution from being burned.
As for European elitism which I often see when the United States is mentioned, I want to point out that many Americans feel pity for Europe, especially the UK, which has voluntarily given up most of it’s rights without a fight. We watch as you let your government take over every aspect of your lives and wonder why you let you happen, and we hope it never happens here. You might want to focus less on us and more on your own state of affairs. From this side of the pond, it looks like you’ll be the first to feel the sting of totalitarianism.

Jimmy Edwards
Jimmy Edwards
3 years ago
Reply to  Tim Flowers

Agree. Imagine if a more mild-mannered, congenial, respectful Pence had been elected President. Their hatred would be no different.

David Bottomley
David Bottomley
3 years ago

Well, judging by the comments here, the USA is not only divided but it’s a very angry , hostile division, with each ‘side’ angrily and venomously accusing the other.

Meanwhile, as the US tears itself apart, China , technologically, militarily and economically, grows stronger by the day by the day,

Jimmy Edwards
Jimmy Edwards
3 years ago

Accurate statement. The anger and division here is palatable… tearing apart marriages, families, and communities. The way I see it… it’s really only one side that is pulling away and causing the rift. Not that certain causes and purposes don’t need to change or perhaps move in a different direction. But more in the manner and in the extreme way the so called changes are being pushed. An example. There was great opportunity several months ago to make some very positive changes in this country. An overwhelming number of Americans were united in their view of the injustice that was inflicted on GF. But no. Collaborating and working together to find solutions and better ways to do things wasn’t enough for some people. They took things to such extremes that it derailed much of the mainstream support, if not completely sabotaged the cause altogether. Divisiveness and anger now rule where we once, even if for a short period of time, had a glimmer of unity and hope.

Perdu En France
Perdu En France
3 years ago

I think you misread Americans. That’s majority Americans. Maybe in flyover country or suburbs of the cities. Maybe white but plenty of hard working blacks & hispanics. It’s not socialism but a fare deal, they want. To be left to get on with improving their lives without watching people leapfrog over them thanks to advantages they’ve carved out for themselves. And that’s as much identity groups politicising as business conniving as the wealthy immunising themselves behind their wealth. as the political scum pretending to be in charge.

Jimmy Edwards
JE
Jimmy Edwards
3 years ago

Capitalism is about competition but the concept that we are competing against “the Jones’es” is ludicrous… as the Bible calls covetousness, lust and greed. The fact my neighbor buys a vacation home in Hawaii should not be some indicator that people are leapfrogging over me. Yeah I may be a little jealous but that takes nothing away from me. I am reminded to be thankful and appreciative for all the blessings I do have… not all of which are material.

David Bottomley
PG
David Bottomley
3 years ago

Interesting to speculate around thoughts that, as the USA sees it prime position gradually eroded from the period after the Second World War into the second half of the 20th century when it was ‘ THE dominant economic, military, scientific/ technological power’, will it begin to turn in on itself, confused and directionless, perhaps veering from extreme to extreme as it searches for some sort of remedy or for a lost past.

Jimmy Edwards
Jimmy Edwards
3 years ago

The extremes of US politics and culture have really only moved in one direction over the past 50 years. What is now being called extreme from one side was once middle ground just a few years ago. And what is now extreme on the other side was shockingly unimaginable just a few years ago.

jdcharlwood
jdcharlwood
3 years ago

I find it strange to see many of the polarised opinions that are posted on the comments. Perhaps Unherd aims to provoke and, if that is the case, well done. I am reminded of some graffiti (in Iraq perhaps) ?Americans -go home (and take me with you)! As Leonard Cohen says America -the cradle of the best and the worst – democracy is coming to the USA.

Joe Frank
Joe Frank
3 years ago

There is only one Strait of Hormuz. Buy or consult an atlas.

chris sullivan
CS
chris sullivan
3 years ago

MOST OF US WHO ever decided to read anything were doomed to go through a depressing phase of coming to terms with human history – and its unrelenting dirge of greed, violence and oppression. We came out the other side of that process with an existential relationship with those realities that allowed us to carry on our lifeway with some measure of stability (though many did not make it through in one peice). We were very tempted so veer off that journey into anything that would deny that angst. Many people intuite that that journey is just too hard and existentially downright scary and aggressively latch on to any thoughtworld that will support a happier vew of the human condition – fundamental Christianity, economic liberation, legal drug taking , procreation etc etc – and therefore have to defend that thought world vigorously because on it rest their safety net of comparative stability. Those people will deny Reality with a capital R because it challeges that which keeps them relatively stable-and people who feel attacked will come out fighting-as our glum study of history has affirmed time and again. What to do ? Personally I let people hang on to their safer thoughtworld until that might do outside damage then I attempt rationality, which rarely helps cos they are not rational per se, then i either give up or get grumpy and compromize the relationship. Then I keep my head down and go sailing……………….

David Simpson
David Simpson
3 years ago

“vaccines were seen as a quick fix that failed to “get rid of the foul conditions” that caused disease to spread among the poor of Victorian Britain. These arguments were, of course, completely wrong-headed,” no they weren’t- a lot of disease was prevented / eliminated by improving the water supply and sanitation systems (eg cholera and typhoid in London in the 1870’s) and by improvements in diet and housing. Arguably a more intelligent response to Covid would be to protect the vulnerable, rather than to vaccinate us all. And I am not an anti-vaxxer, but it’s not the only tool in the box. And I think there is some evidence that repeated flu vaccination campaigns may have actually lowered the immune response in vulnerable groups to Covid.

M Blanc
M Blanc
3 years ago

The US is finished. An unholy alliance between the Left and global capitalism killed it. The decomposition of the corpse will not be pretty.

hijiki7777
GP
hijiki7777
3 years ago

I am hoping for a resounding Biden victory. The GOP has become a Trump personality cult, and like an alcoholic down and out it needs to “hit bottom” before it starts to see sense and recover. But in truth that probably wont happen. A shallow defeat will wound it but it’s resolve for total opposition will continue. The evidence seems strong that many of Trump’s team are lawbreakers, and Trump himself at the very least has been obstructing justice. In theory the law should take it’s course independently of government, but if Trump and his associates are convicted and sent to jail the country will be horribly torn apart. Even if the Democrats take control of the Senate; their biggest hurdle in November, they will struggle to govern.
Like it or not political and economic power in the world is shifting from west to east and from north to south, to countries that do not have a history of liberalism (ie democracy and human rights). The USA is still the most powerful country in the world, but at the same time it is in rapid decline. Trump has helped it along more that anyone else.

Jimmy Edwards
JE
Jimmy Edwards
3 years ago
Reply to  hijiki7777

You are only seeing what the media wants you to see about Trump personality cult. There are a lot of people I know, including me, who would never wear a MAGA hat, never don a Trump bumper sticker, don’t follow Twitter, would never attend a Trump rally, or ever send money to support his campaign. I guess the term “silent majority” has been used. We understand and recognize his personality flaws. We love our neighbors, we love this country, we want good for everyone. We feel like we are the ones who are being screamed at, loathed, and hated by some very angry leftists… for being military, police officers, for working hard to raise a family, for having moral convictions, for being white… by people who are on record as saying they would rather destroy this country than allow Trump to have any success. And yet you blame Trump for putting the country in decline. How? The revised trade deals that favor American interests instead of the sell-outs that put money in the pockets of the rich? Standing up to foreign threats to keep us out of wars instead of sending billions of dollars to dangerous regimes? Attempting talks with N Korea? Negotiating a peace deal between UAE and Israel? The thriving economy and low unemployment? A strong military? Yes he is a blabber mouth but when we consider the actual policies Trump supports and advocates for … because we are not blinded by hatred…we find many have the positive effects that align with our hope and vision for this country. Even then, given a viable centrist Democratic candidate who could do the same, we might even consider jumping the aisle. But Democrats give us Hillary and Joe.. no way, no how.

joerobot12
JC
joerobot12
3 years ago

When traitors and pedophiles are hangin’ from a rope, America will be great again, and not one day sooner.

ednajanjacobs
ednajanjacobs
3 years ago

In answer to the question of the Left having the potential to unify I would say no. The problems of the Right and the Left in this country is that both sides are ABSOLUTELY certain that they have the answer….it’s kind of like religion in that way. The Left is as dictatorial as the Right and while the policy focus may be different, Absolutism doesn’t lead anywhere. Politics in the U.S. used to be about dialogue but now it’s useless. Hope comes from movements such as BLM. Most of the change that evolved during the 1960s came right out of the Civil Rights Movement. The proportional percent of Rich to the Rest of Us is about the same as it was in 1789. Huzzah!

Alexander Allan
Alexander Allan
3 years ago
Reply to  ednajanjacobs

How does hope come from a marxist movement which has not toppled statues of Abraham Lincoln through the use of violence, agitates for disorder with defund the police, and promotes racism?