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The Machiavellian cause of Britain’s disorder The country is ruled by weak and effete foxes

'Foxes will use physical force if necessary, but prefer to disguise its nature and are prone to use it ineptly.' (Photo by JUSTIN TALLIS/AFP via Getty Images)

'Foxes will use physical force if necessary, but prefer to disguise its nature and are prone to use it ineptly.' (Photo by JUSTIN TALLIS/AFP via Getty Images)


August 10, 2024   5 mins

While the UK’s recent riots reflect decades of pent-up public frustration with the country’s governing elite, particularly over mass immigration, they also represent something else. They are a signal that the British elite’s whole strategy of governing is beginning to break down. And that carries significant implications.

To understand why, we need to take a brief detour back about five centuries — to Florence and the writings of NiccolĂČ Machiavelli. He identified two archetypical psychological profiles of people who become leaders: the cunning but weak fox, who can outmanoeuvre his opponents but is “defenceless against wolves”; and the strong and brave lion, who likes to fight and can scare off wolves, but who is “defenceless against traps”. Machiavelli argued that a true statesman must embody both personalities, or risk destruction.

A distant student of Machiavelli, fellow Italian political theorist Vilfredo Pareto, would later expand the metaphor further. Observing history, he noted that the rise and fall of states and civilisations could be matched to a cyclical pattern in the collective personality of their ruling classes.

Nations are founded by lions, who are a society’s natural warrior class — its jocks, so to speak. They establish and expand a kingdom’s borders at the point of a sword, pacifying external enemies. Like Sparta’s Lycurgus or Rome’s Augustus, their firm hand often also puts an end to internal strife and establishes (or re-establishes) the rule of law. Their authority can be dictatorial, but it is relatively honest and straightforward in nature. They value directness and the clarity of combat. They are comfortable with the use of raw force, and open about their willingness to use it, whether against criminals or enemies. They have a firm sense of the distinction between enemies and friends in general — of who is part of the family and who is a prowling wolf to be guarded against. The security and stability they establish is what allows the nation to grow into prosperity.

Security and prosperity produce a proliferation of foxes. Foxes are unsuited to and deeply uncomfortable with the employment of force; they prefer intellectual and rhetorical combat, because they’re nerds. They will use physical force if necessary, but prefer to disguise its nature and are prone to use it ineptly. The brainy and cosmopolitan foxes have talents the lions don’t, however: they are good at managing complexity and scale, navigating the nuances of diplomatic alliances, or extracting profits from an extensive empire.

As long as peace prevails, civilisations come increasingly to morally prize the indirect and diplomatic methods of foxes and to avoid and indeed abhor the strength and violence of lions. As states grow larger and more complex, establishing new layers of bureaucracy, law and procedure, this quickly favours the Byzantine organising and scheming of foxes. In comparison, lions are inarticulate and unprepared for the traps of more underhanded mammals. So eventually, a wholesale replacement of the elite occurs: the lions who founded the nation are pushed out of its leadership, marginalised and excluded by a class of foxes who see them as brutish relics of a barbaric age.

But a curious thing then happens, Pareto observed: the instability of societies overly dominated by foxes begins to increase relentlessly. The foxes, reluctant to properly distinguish and identify real threats or to openly employ force even when necessary, find themselves defenceless against wolves both internal and external. When faced with escalating challenges, the foxes tend to resort to doubling down on their preferred strategy of misdirection and manipulation, and attempt to bury or buy off threats rather than confronting them directly. This does nothing to solve problems that require the firm use of force, or the threat of it, such as keeping packs of wolves on the other side of the borders. Eventually, when things get bad enough, foxes may desperately lash out with violence, but do so indecisively, ham-fistedly, or in entirely the wrong direction. The wolves, for their part, can instinctively smell weakness and just keep coming.

Like the rest of the West, Britain has been ruled for decades by an effete managerial elite whose system of technocratic control is absolutely characteristic of foxes. There could be no better example of this than how the Government has attempted to manage immigration and the ethnic tensions it has brought with it.

“Britain has been ruled for decades by an effete managerial elite whose system of technocratic control is absolutely characteristic of foxes.”

It has attempted to manage the perception of it, in classic fox-like fashion, via careful control of media and online information. Those who continue to speak out on the issue are then smeared with reputation-destroying labels such as “racist”, “xenophobic”, or “far-Right” in order to deflect others from listening to them. This reflects foxes’ consistent instinct to turn first and foremost to information warfare and narrative manipulation over direct confrontation. Hence the immediate reaction to the latest riots: to blame them on “misinformation” and “unregulated social media”. The implication being that nothing at all would be amiss if the information common people had access to could just be better suppressed.

This controlling instinct is also reflected in the UK’s “Neighbourhood Policing” model, which, as Aris Roussinos has noted, makes state-managed avoidance of ethnic conflict the top priority of the police forces. In practice, this means deploying police to swiftly shut down anything that might provoke unsightly public disturbances in minority ethnic communities, such as “openly Jewish” men walking too near pro-Palestine demonstrations, people criticising Hamas, or Englishmen holding the English flag. Meanwhile, inciting rhetoric and open violence committed by the same ethnic communities is met with studious non-confrontation or polite de-escalation in order to avoid upsetting “community relations”.

This means British police now operate much less like a conventional crime-solving and deterrent force, as Ed West has pointed out, and far “more like that of a colonial [police] force, charged with preventing community relations from spilling over into violence”, while keeping multi-cultural imperial possessions  stable despite the natives’ displeasure.

The British elite’s habitual reliance on these techniques of information control and relationship micromanagement have combined most spectacularly in the Home Office’s “controlled spontaneity” programme, which aims to pre-empt any backlash to terrorist attacks and violent crimes by “pre-planning social media campaigns which are designed to appear to be a spontaneous public response to attacks”, such as candle-lit inter-faith vigils and people handing out flowers “in apparently unprompted gestures of love and support”. This is of course all a façade that government “contingency planners” and their “civil society” partners rush to impose in order to, as Roussinos writes, “present an image of depoliticised community solidarity” meant to head off any potential escalation of ethnic tensions and violence. Or as one planner described it, the whole effort is intended to serve as “an anaesthetic for the community”.

The result is what Matthew Crawford has noted is essentially government by psyop, or soft managerialism. The ruling elite, Labour and Tory wings alike, would rather try to manage the British public’s whole perception of reality than ever use force to stop illegal immigration, actually police crime, or attempt — in the longer-term — to salvage the cratering popular legitimacy of their regime. Such is the way of the fox.

But this way now seems to be reaching its inevitable failure point. The explosion of violence in the streets is proof enough of that. Pareto and Machiavelli would not be surprised, as this is exactly how just about every other fox-ruled regime in history eventually collapsed.

So, what is likely to happen next in Britain? We should first expect the foxes to immediately double-down on soft managerialism, including by restricting even further the digital information space, expanding surveillance and financial restrictions, and using the techniques of obfuscation and manipulation to control dissent — all of which Keir Starmer has already committed to doing.

His government has also already demonstrated its willingness to lash out with naked force against the disgruntled “far-Right” that it blames for disturbing the peace (doubtless along with the broader political opposition). And we should certainly expect to see more of this in the future. But the flailing response, and the resulting escalation in Britain’s state of anarcho-tyranny (“law and order for thee, but not for them”), will hardly solve the deeper problems driving the nation further into chaos.

That would take lions. But the foxes of the Western elite are even more scared of lions than they are of wolves — and perhaps for good reason: again and again in history, the oligarchic rule of foxes tends to end when the people finally get fed up enough to turn to a lion to save them from wolves.


N.S. Lyons is the author of The Upheaval on Substack.


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Nicky Samengo-Turner
Nicky Samengo-Turner
3 months ago

Nice to be back on Unherd

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago

Great article! This reminds me of the quote from G. Micheal Hopf, “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times”. Hope there is a Lion waiting in the wings for the sake of all our Western nations.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

I always wondered where that quote came from. I’ve used it so often.

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Beat me to it.

David Harris
David Harris
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

And: “Wars happen when the government tells you who the enemy is. Revolutions happen when you work it out for yourself.”

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  David Harris

I think Richard Dawkins might have just worked it out:
‘My entire @facebook account has been deleted, seemingly (no reason given) because I tweeted that genetically male boxers such as Imane Khalif (XY undisputed) should not fight women in Olympics. Of course my opinion is open to civilised argument. But outright censorship?’

John Wilkes
John Wilkes
3 months ago

Ideology will always trump scientific fact to those on the left.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago
Reply to  John Wilkes

Because most scientific fact now is not scientific or fact. It’s paid for words thats all.

Sean Lothmore
Sean Lothmore
3 months ago

Dawkins was cancelled by the American Humanist Association for challenging gender ideology. An organisation that is supposed to value reason and science over faith and superstition.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago
Reply to  Sean Lothmore

See my previous comment. Dawkins is bright enough to.spot the danger. He has for some time set himself as a Cultural.Christian. He does criticize his friend Aayan Hirsi Ali for going the whole hog,church and all,but he has ‘got’ that only recognizing earthly power is very dangerous

Adam Huntley
Adam Huntley
3 months ago
Reply to  Sean Lothmore

Unfortunately tribal affiliation to the organisation will always trump reason. It will always allow the person to justify their own absence of self awareness

Laurence Target
Laurence Target
3 months ago
Reply to  Sean Lothmore

Truth needs to be validated by God. American Humanists cannot value knowledge and truth, but only their faith-derived superstitions.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago

And as befits a canny man like Dawkins he has for some time made it clear that,atheist though he may be,he is also a Cultural Christian. That is very sensible of him. Indeed a high number of well known atheists have now,not GOT JESUS but have chosen to align themselves with Christianity being bright enough to see the importance of claiming first allegiance to a higher spiritual force than any earthly power. It’s also very dangerous of course but thats life.

Liam O'Mahony
Liam O'Mahony
3 months ago

I would have censored you for other things, such as clinging to silly conjectures and debunked theories when there is n9 evidence and science has long since disproved it, respectively. But, like Al Capone you got done for the minor crime.. suck it up Dqickie!

Paul Truster
Paul Truster
3 months ago
Reply to  David Harris

With no happier results, in general.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago
Reply to  Paul Truster

I dunno. You may get to be a martyr and shine in everlasting glory throughout history after.

William Shaw
William Shaw
3 months ago
Reply to  David Harris

If there is a war it’s going to be those that Starmer and the BBC label as “far right” that will fight for their country.
The people on the other side, so loved by Starmer and the BBC, will be heading for their homeland.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Recent decades have seen, for the first time in human history, huge numbers of women in positions of power and influence. How might this alter the validity of the ‘hard times/good times’ aphorism?

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Women lack the physical strength to be lions and also the necessary ruthlessness. They are more inclined to stigmatise, guilt trip, exclude, be two faced and hypocritical (without necessarily being aware). Women are more strongly associated with emotion. They silenced men by accusing them of sexism and making sexism illegal. The pursuit of logic and reason to identify and destroy propaganda and develop insight has for the most part been the endeavour of men. Weak men will adopt feminine strategies.
Evil has its own agenda and spreads through the unconscious if allowed to. It has its own strategies presenting good as evil and vice versa. People infected tend to genuinely believe they are on the right side of history/ morally right. It is why Jung believed it imperative people acquaint themselves with their shadow side. Evil is terrified of being exposed by the light of truth. Truth is like the crucifix held up in front of the possessed.

Gordon Black
Gordon Black
3 months ago

So you are suggesting, “hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times try women in charge, and women in charge create … hard times?

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
3 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Accurate. Have you seen the state of publishing and education? How ‘bout those Lilliputian Secret Service agents assigned to protect Donald Trump? Counting on a 5’2” 180lb pudding to carry you out of a blazing building?

We women are very good at many, many things that men can’t or won’t do, but we rely on our lions to protect us while doing them.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago

To see the fruits of a female false prophet just watch Australia’s female Olympic breakdance competitor. She has a PhD in breakdance and knows all about the evil patriarchy. Unfortunately, for her, the judges awarded her nil point. They are clearly not au fait with the theory behind her approach which includes not practising much. In Australia, they must have received the brief as she did have to qualify.

Peter D
Peter D
3 months ago

The MSM talked her up coming into the games as a gold medal favourite. Plenty of coverage, a lot of hype.
We normal Aussies ourselves silly when she failed to pick up a point. Then my wife showed me one of her “dance battles” and she best summed it up with Fremdshaemen.
On behalf of all Aussies to anyone who had the misfortune of watching that as a sports fan, I truely apologise.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  Peter D

No need to apologise, it was hilarious – laugh out loud funny. It’s even funnier if the Australians actually believed she had a chance of gold. It’s been a weird Olympics. The opening set the scene when the French trashed their own reputation for culture and sophistication. Then the Olympic committee trashed their reputation as a serious governing body by claiming it’s impossible to tell the difference between men and women (to defend men beating up women) despite almost every sporting category being divided into men’s and women’s. Then to lighten the mood, the Australian’s trashed their reputation for sporting excellence by ensuring the world will remember Raygun’s performance which is indistinguishable from a toddler making up moves to some random music (What I don’t understand is why she didn’t accuse herself of cultural appropriation given her politics.) and forget about the medals the rest of the Australian team won. And of course, while all this was going on, the United Kingdom trashed its reputation for justice and fairness with two tier policing and prosecution. A prime minister who genuflected to BLM rioters perceives white working class rioters to be truly evil and insists they must be destroyed not by the full force of the law but by punishments that far exceed the crimes.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

..flush it down the toilet.

Jim C
Jim C
3 months ago
Reply to  jane baker

Did that “reply” make any kind sense, even to you?

Stephanie Surface
Stephanie Surface
3 months ago

Margret Thatcher was a lion and sadly got outfoxed.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago

Margaret Thatcher was not a typical woman. She is frequently disowned by feminists. Admiring her has been greatly stigmatised.

David Morley
David Morley
3 months ago

Are male lions typical men?

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  David Morley

Well they are definitely not effeminate.

Jim C
Jim C
3 months ago

I’ve noticed Thatcher’s reputation is making a bit of a comeback, if the number of “likes” for clips from her speeches on Instagram and Tiktok are any indication.

And when you compare her with all the hollow men (and women) we have lording it over us now… no wonder.

Martin Goodfellow
Martin Goodfellow
3 months ago

I find it odd that Margaret Thatcher should be ‘lionised’. She was not a popular figure for many of the British population, and her destructive side should not be forgotten, in spite of her accomplishments. Parts of the country are still suffering from her policies. When she stepped down, most people were glad to see the back of her. She was not the saviour of the nation that nostalgia seems to want to make of her.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago

You might like to research to what extent Arthur Scargill was responsible.

Martin Goodfellow
Martin Goodfellow
3 months ago

I’m quite familiar with that, thanks. I’m no fan of Arthur’s either.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
3 months ago

All that may be true, but is irrelevant. She was a lion brought down by foxes.

Martin Goodfellow
Martin Goodfellow
3 months ago
Reply to  Martin Johnson

Some lions are better than others.

Paul T
Paul T
3 months ago

Yeah, take that Margaret Thatcher! F*ck the Poll Tax too! Yeah.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago

Mrs Thatcher had some admirable personal qualities and a good character. And I’m not a fan and I’ve never voted Tory in my life. But she SOLD OUT. When she declared RIGHT TO BUY she showed her True allegiance to The Dark Side. She may actually not have known she was playing her part in a centuries old LONG GAME but she was.

ChilblainEdwardOlmos
ChilblainEdwardOlmos
3 months ago
Reply to  jane baker

Agree.

Simon Blanchard
Simon Blanchard
3 months ago
Reply to  jane baker

My thoughts entirely.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
3 months ago

Hear, hear.

David Morley
David Morley
3 months ago

Women lack the physical strength to be lions and also the necessary ruthlessness. 

Not so sure about the lack of ruthlessness: Maggie Thatcher, Indira Ghandi, Golda Meyer, and any number of female bosses. Techniques may differ but some women are entirely capable of being ruthless.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  David Morley

It’s true women are equally capable of ruthlessness but generally it is covert. The overtly ruthless women are in a minority. Most women spout love and peace whilst cheering on murderous intent. Just look at the women surrounding the Labour councillor calling for the slitting of throats of dissenters.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago
Reply to  David Morley

Not half.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
3 months ago

Margaret Thatcher?

Alan Gore
Alan Gore
3 months ago

You’re overgeneralizing. You did have a lioness back in the Eighties, and one day I’m sure that we will have one too. That person certainly isn’t Harris.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago

Not always, Aphrodite. When I worked with teens from lockup situations on wilderness trips, I recall a woman counsellor refusing to go on a trip with girls. She said, “Boys have a code; girls don’t. A girl will pluck a flaming brand from the fire and bash you in the head with it.”

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Women are generally more easily controlled by social constraints so I guess this was female behaviour free of social constraints.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago

This is what I would have written if I’d thought of those brilliant words. This is what my post says but much less elegantly

Patricia Evans
Patricia Evans
3 months ago

Golda Meir, Indira Gandhi and Margaret Thatcher were lions. There may be another one waiting in the wings of the Conservative Party. There doesn’t seem to be anything except frightened foxes in the Labour Party.

Mary Thomas
Mary Thomas
3 months ago
Reply to  Patricia Evans

Kemi ?

elaine chambers
elaine chambers
3 months ago

Oh dear Afrodite Rises. Oh deary me!!!

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago

You obviously suffer from a sense of moral superiority. Rather than reading ill-informed propaganda, you would benefit from reading the Greats: your spelling as well as your mind would probably improve enabling you to properly articulate a response.

Molly McDougall
Molly McDougall
3 months ago

Boudica

Dr E C
Dr E C
3 months ago

I agree with much of this, with the caveat that there have been, throughout history, & still are, lots of weasley weak men (far less smart than foxes) who have f***ed things up for everyone, using propaganda to do so.

Today’s examples include Starmer, Macron & Trudeau, among many others.

But should we have far fewer women in government, the media, & especially academe? Yes please. ‘Kindness’ (actually, bitchy schoolgirl in/out group selection) should be an absolute irrelevance in all these fields.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  Dr E C

I complete agree. I have never been a feminist believing in (reasonable) equality but difference. Feminists tend to define success in male terms and denigrate traditional female roles.
I have always thought it was weird that men would claim to be feminists. I understand the desire to fight for justice but activist feminists were never about justice. When I read Simone De Beauvoir’s writings, I realised the tragedy in her life was that she wanted a monogamous, committed relationship with Sartre but he wanted an open relationship which caused her immense pain but she couldn’t actually state that as it was against her politics. Jordan Peterson considers a man claiming to be a feminist is a seduction technique by men who otherwise would be unlikely to be successful.

Dr E C
Dr E C
3 months ago

Absolutely agree. I used to enjoy some of the 2nd wave feminists: the ones who emphasised the _differences_ between men and women – differences we ignore or deny at our peril. But since then, much feminism has become BS, including nearly all of the 3rd wave. I lay a lot of blame at the door of universities lowering standards by /& introducing ‘women’s studies’ & other ideological degrees – a phrase which should not exist.

The downstream effects of these ‘ideas’ have been disastrous. Instead of focusing on what should be the basics of feminism: protecting women and girls from violence and rape – both here and abroad – feminists are mostly busy campaigning to protect misogynistic sexual minorities and immigrant men.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 months ago

I just want to applaud your series of excellent posts on this board. I wondered where you’d gone and I’m glad to see your screen name again, Ms Rises. Unlike me if I’m honest, you rarely post petty or trivial things, and have an incisive critical edge that I really like—as long as it’s not pointed at me!

Cheers,
AJ

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

Thank you AJ. I had stopped reading Unherd because I no longer found the articles interesting but recent events drew me back in. What I enjoy is articles which stimulate interesting debate. I find it helps me clarify and develop my own ideas. It’s strange, I have never been a particular fan of Kathleen Stock and in the past given reasons why to a multitude of downvotes. Her article this week was not well received and disappointed her fans but her position in the article is exactly what I would have expected for the reasons I have stated previously. It was entirely predictable. I learn a lot by studying people very carefully. I am becoming strongly convinced the underlying problem with western politics is the failure to separate politics and religion. Another enigma I am trying to understand why – gays for Palestine – which is clearly batsh** crazy. I have made some progress. I am thinking about writing an article. I am almost ready to use my own name except I can’t because there is a journalist with the same name.
Does Charles post anymore?

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 months ago

I fear that Mr. Stanhope, to whom I think you refer, is either incapacitated or no longer with us. Haven’t seen his ‘handle’ in several months.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

I know he had cancer and was undergoing chemotherapy. It is a sad loss. I shall light a candle and pray for him next time I am in church. He was an outstanding historian, it is a great loss.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 months ago

He had a love of devilish advocacy that could be trollish, but would admit as much if you cornered in a way he respected. Maybe a sort of “lion in winter”. If he has departed, may he rest in peace, and perhaps even meet a Presence he did not believe in.
*Let me add that Charles had impressive Classical learning, along with a wide and deep general knowledge of history, which he didn’t use ONLY for show. I frequently disagreed with him but he was sharp and there was plenty of good in him, I’d say. That patrician pagan will be missed. I hope my honest remarks don’t sound disrespectful.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

He was a committed atheist and yet it was my comments on religion and spirituality that interested him most.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 months ago

He was surely more complicated than many of his quips. We got into some lengthy exchanges about the legacy of Jesus, which he took delight in ridiculing, treating it as little more than a successful publicity stunt.

I defended the teachings of Jesus (and some aspects of institutional worship); he played the firebrand nonbeliever. But he was willing to grant points here and there, for example allowing that bibles in the home for the common people of about 300 years ago was better than no books at all.

It’s quite absurd to wax nostalgic about a website’s previous year, but I’d like to see a return to the energetic, good-faith engagement that was more characteristic of UnHerd in 2023. Ah
the good ol’ days!

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  AJ Mac

I suspect his reaction to religious/spiritual comments mirrored an inner struggle. Given his age, Christianity would have formed part of his upbringing.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 months ago

An apt observation. My ex-Catholic parents are in the same broad category, though more open to so called spirituality.

John Croteau
John Croteau
3 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

That would be, ““Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create women leaders, and women leaders create hard times”. Don’t think that’s fair, though. Feminine energy certainly correlates to the Fox leadership profile. The premise of the article is spot on — you need to sustain balance between the two leadership types to maintain prosperity.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

You know, I was always a feminist and I always wanted women to have more power, now that I see they do, I am not anymore so sure that this is the answer. Many women really don’t get it and they don’t get men and how they think. And then suddenly I am thinking: Look what happens with those small niche communities in China where women are in power and where men are utterly useless. Do we want that? No. I have to say, I do not know what the answer is, but I know one thing: The Left got it damn wrong! I was my whole life a Liberal, or so I thought. But I changed camps now since October 7th, because I think that this event and its aftermath opened up the eyes to many people in the world and what the Left is all about. And I am now a National Conservative. Not in a Tory sense, but in a real sense of the word’s meaning. Against Globalists and for strong Nation States.

Jim C
Jim C
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

If you believe that the government should help the poor, replace the family in providing care, etc – ie you are a typical modern “social democrat” – than you’ll probably believe we need our “leaders” to be kind. And women are particularly good at persuading people that they’re kind.

The problem here is that the Will to Power and kindness rarely go hand-in-hand, so if a politician is peddling kindness, then chances are they are even more dishonest than the ones who aren’t.

The essence of government is coercion. As Ibn Khaldun observed, it is that institution in a given area that punishes all “wrongdoing” except its own.

People have come to think that this institution, which ultimately only has violence as a tool, can best deal with social problems that have nothing to do with fraud or illigitimate violence.

The results of this belief are all around us.

Dr E C
Dr E C
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Hear hear. If you haven’t moved away from the Left since 7/10, you are either not concentrating or not comprehending what’s really going on or are just not a good person (to put it mildly).

Barry Stokes
Barry Stokes
3 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Facebook does not like anyone who opposes their viewpoint. In my opinion you were absolutely within your rights to say what the vast majority of us view as the plain and simple truth….XX female, XY male; basic human biology.

Martin Johnson
Martin Johnson
3 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Not at all, except to say “people” instead of “men”.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

And all making a total bollocks of things from the British economy (Thatcher),to the Post Office (that church going bird),both TalkTalk + Track n Trace – Dido.Harding also Lady someone,the Met Police , the aptly named Miss d**k. It’s obvious no one talked to her,she sat in her office every day ,totally out of the loop commanding no respect from her men and getting sidelined and ignored. And it’s no.good blaming nasty men,thats a,lol,cop out. Everything in the late 20th century that a woman has been put in charge of has gone,ha ha ha,tits up. And dont get me started on lady vicars.
Tarts for Jesus.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  jane baker

I was a great fan of Jeffrey John. He was genuine and his sermons and lectures were excellent (though he did have a weakness for wokeness). I just cannot relate to the new female dean at all. I find she flattens the spiritual rather than connecting with it. I was excluded from a prayer group for pointing out the Church of England, unlike the Catholic Church, has no room for the feminine. Though I have met some lovely Anglican nuns.

Andrew F
Andrew F
3 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Clearly current problems in the West show why overpromotion of women leads to bad outcomes.

William Shaw
William Shaw
3 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Women can only exist in positions of power when men cede those positions and only within the modern, technologically advanced society that men designed, built and maintain.

Betsy Arehart
Betsy Arehart
3 months ago
Reply to  Gordon Black

Women are the foxes.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Not surprisingly, you excellent comment garnered a couple of down votes – no doubt from our own lurking foxes.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago

Plenty of foxes here. Quick with a cutting quip, but go missing when things heat up…

Kevin Godwin
Kevin Godwin
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Or a Lioness

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

The problem is that the decline and fall process described in the article usually takes a very long time, even after it has become obvious. That means ordinary citizens in the West may live out their lives in very unpleasant, totalitarian, police states. The Post-War period was unusually good, but the hard times are here.

Point of Information
Point of Information
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Note first that N.S. *Lyons* is a pen name of a man now arguing for more “Lions” and that he is based in Washington not the UK.

Read Aris Roussinos’ article for an objective but embedded view on the anti-immigration riots.

This article is a rehash of the much used quote Unherd Reader reproduces above.

Lyons is arguing for a strong-man or warrior type leader that never worked in the medieval period or Renaissance – heroic leaders tended to be followed by their ineffective offspring (Henry V) or brothers (Richard I) and European states were locked in perpetual warfare. The more effective Roman Empire rarely had great emperors (the majority were bumped off by the Praetorian Guard), it was the bureaucracy and effectiveness of the army that maintained and enlarged the empire.

And these observations about the past fail to note the obvious about the present: nuclear weapons have the potential to wipe out the human race. A strong-man leader would have to show that he was willing to use these and would eventually come up against other strong-men willing to do the same. The outcome of such a conflict can never be described as “good times” without a Kubrick-level sense of irony.

Not to mention that powerful leaders, just like powerful and censorious governments, historically and now, always act in their own interest and rarely in the interest of their peoples.

Mr “Lyons” and his fellow members of the right-wing Washington commentariat should be careful what they wish for. A real strong-man (this doesn’t describe Trump of course, he’s an easily-manipulated toddler) wouldn’t tolerate intellectual journalists for long – see Xi.

Miguel Reina
Miguel Reina
3 months ago

Why would a strong man (or woman) necessarily need to resort to the use of nuclear weapons? It’s a stretch to equate strength with aggression or violent tendencies. Strong leaders don’t have to be warmongers.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago
Reply to  Miguel Reina

We are now IN WW3 and neither side wants to use nukes because the elites aiways knew the MAD thing was a media myth to keep US subject to control and they prefer continuous low level grumbling rumbling inconclusive never ending war,or conflict as no one has declared war anywhere in any formal,legal form. This is where the profit is.

Gina B
Gina B
3 months ago

It always amazes me how a certain type of British person feels very free to sneer and complain about any American – even such brilliant ones as N.S. Lyons – commenting or saying anything at all about British politics while at the same time feeling it’s ok to comment on their politics, President, gun control, economy or whatever. 
The vast majority of Americans have no interest whatsoever in Britain or its politics. If they think of Britain at all it’s all London and the Royals so I think it is quite wonderful and refreshing to have the opinion of someone smart and thoughtful who has taken the time to study the issue from the outside and is not swimming in the water.
I do not think Trump is an ‘easily manipulated toddler’ and I think it is rude and insulting to say so. It doesn’t make you sound smart – just makes you sound like you have TDS and are lazily following a crowd instead of thinking independently. 
I would say anybody who is shot with a bullet in an assassination attempt and can stand up immediately to reassure the people and tell them to fight is a warrior and a lion. 
People seem to have forgotten this astounding bravery already – I would say the foxes have deliberately manipulated so the people would forget.

Point of Information
Point of Information
3 months ago
Reply to  Gina B

Gina, sneering at someone whose pen name is “Lyons” arguing for more “lions” in leadership is unavoidable for anyone with a sense of humour.

Lyons has not studied British Politics, nor is his article a piece of original thought, it is an extended facsimile of Unherd Reader’s well-used trope “Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times”. But this is not a truism at all, strong men – Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Stalin – often create very bad times indeed.

Finally, isn’t Trump derangement syndrome the characteristic of believing that standing up after receiving a grazed ear constitutes enormous bravery? (To be fair, claiming that rioters in Netflix-tribute antlers constitute a coup is equally silly). Primary school aged kids can recover quicker after worse.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 months ago

Forcefully argued, somewhat persuasively.
I suppose we could stretch our categories to include vicious and cruel leaders who are not strong in any good sense, but merely ruthless or deranged (Amin, Assad, et al.), and those who are weak or indecisive, but not fox-like (Chamberlain, Herbert Hoover…).
There is certainly a widespread form of undiagnosed TDS amongst many of Trump’s supporters, under which those who don’t march in worshipful lockstep are called deranged, but never themselves or their fellow devotees.

Raccoon Whisperer
Raccoon Whisperer
3 months ago

Where are these intellectual journalists of whom you speak? All I see are toadying sycophants parrotting government propaganda, demonising anyone who dares to dissent, and omitting stories that are inconvenient to the orthodoxy.

John Croteau
John Croteau
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

In the U.S. his name is Trump

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Machiavelli was writing 500 years ago. The author is trying to show off but bends the facts to fit the theory and creates a hell of a mess. The UK in 2024 is nothing like medieval Italy or Ancient Rome. This essay would struggle to get a C in A’ Level Politics or History. The rioters, incited by right-wing extremists, were a tiny minority of useless, dispossessed drunks. The UK is not about boil over unless another Churchill rocks up. Unbridled immigration should stop, of course, but most people realise we just need to get on with those already here. This article shows no respect for the calm, adult, civilized response to the riots.

Jim C
Jim C
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

That’s a bit like dismissing Aristotle’s Kyklos theory as outdated because modern leaders don’t wear linen smocks or write on papyrus.

The Right wing rabble who rioted are just the tip of the iceberg, an iceberg that voted Reform, and will almost certainly swell and grow as the pie shrinks due to decades of the foxes’ stupid panderings to Greens and Xenophiles.

ie, your objection to Lyon’s piece would itself “struggle to get a C in A’ Level Politics or History”

0 0
0 0
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Whereas what we’ve seen is different: good times accustom people to greed which takes the good times away. Shareholder value for example.

William Shaw
William Shaw
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Lions led by donkeys.
(Apologies to donkeys.)

Benedict Waterson
Benedict Waterson
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

Yeh, I don’t think the implication is that lions are 100% positive though, just that they have the utility of maintaining power and preserving stability.
Of course most of us are sick of foxes by now, so we know they aren’t 100% positive either.

Steven Somsen
Steven Somsen
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

The quote is originally from Babur, founder of the Moghul empire, as far as I know.

Josef Ć vejk
Josef Ć vejk
3 months ago

This article says it all.

T Bone
T Bone
3 months ago

Great article. Dark times. Stand strong my British friends. This problem is not unique to one country. It’s Global but your country has shown a unique ability to overcome these stressors.

The ideas of Locke will outduel the Authoritarianism of Hobbes.

Nathan Sapio
Nathan Sapio
3 months ago

Devastating.

But the alternative to a lion asserting power (typically in the midst of chaos) is widespread non-compliance by individuals (insert clever animal name here). If even 10% of citizens ridiculed and declared these foxes to be the ones not following the law, accepting that some who stand up will post the short term price, the foxes will have no leverage. But when 95% fear paying a short term price and choose to be complicit with the lies, it enables the further disintegration being enacted by the foxes.

M Pennywise
M Pennywise
3 months ago
Reply to  Nathan Sapio

Honeybadgers!

Nathan Sapio
Nathan Sapio
3 months ago
Reply to  M Pennywise

Love it

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
3 months ago
Reply to  Nathan Sapio

Few people have the courage of a Farage or Robinson. Most of us are O’Briens, unfortunately.

Rob Est
Rob Est
3 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Who is O’brien?

Melanie Grieveson
Melanie Grieveson
3 months ago
Reply to  Rob Est

James O’Brien of LBC, perhaps. Or wasn’t there a Tory MP called Neil O’Brien who was compiling a ‘list’?

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
3 months ago
Reply to  Rob Est

O’Brien is the torturer of Winston Smith in 1984 and also a talk show host on the far right radio station LBC. Consequently, in the UK, the name is a byword for authoritarian brutality.

Paul T
Paul T
3 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

BINGO!
So LBC is far right now? I cant keep up.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

I have been a lion in the past but was too indiscreet. I have learned to be more careful and am biding my time.

Jim Veenbaas
Jim Veenbaas
3 months ago

Interesting essay for sure. I think it’s clear that wealthy, western democracies are experiencing some kind of decay and rot. The anglosphere seems better off than Europe, but the disease may be more advanced in Britain than North America. It’s easy to become nihilistic about this stuff, but maybe we can turn it around.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
3 months ago
Reply to  Jim Veenbaas

The rot is built into social democracy. The more spending power that the state acquires and the more centralised it becomes, the more parasites it attracts. Eventually the productive economy collapses under the weight of their demands. This is particularly true in Britain where a rigged housing market has combined with corrupt immigration and monetary policy to create the largest upward transfer of wealth in our history – while a dishonest media class talks about something, anything, else.

Jim C
Jim C
3 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

Absolute bingo.

I think one of the author’s key points was that the existing order of foxes needs to (and will inevitably) collapse before the next “saviour” lion arises in the resultant disorder, and is accepted and followed by the people.

This is in line with Strauss and Howe’ “Fourth Turning” and the Ancient Greeks’ Kyklos theories.

Ex Nihilo
Ex Nihilo
3 months ago

It seems ever less likely that the social, cultural, and political sequences described can be halted and undone. I can’t remember when I last observed a lion, while the foxes are now everywhere. Each of us may soon be obliged to find their own way to survive what not long ago was unthinkable but has become easier to imagine. We commenters may soon lose even venues such as this one to express ourselves and be forced to retreat silently to what Victor Davis Hansen calls “the monastery of the mind”. Perhaps some of you, like me, post things here that you know cannot be safely spoken at dinner parties, at work, at school, or even to our families; both for fear of significant consequence and out of realization that we are unlikely to persuade anyone who doesn’t already agree.

Nathan Sapio
Nathan Sapio
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

No, pay the price if it’s true. Walk across the line to the other side if that is what is more important to you. Say what’s right to your family and dinner party guests if you care about them.

Ex Nihilo
Ex Nihilo
3 months ago
Reply to  Nathan Sapio

Have done just that for most of my life. The cost has been both expensive and ineffective. Standing up for the truth to one’s dinner party guests is the fast lane to having no dinner party guests and never again being invited to anyone else’s party. When the critical mass of people in a society who are receptive to the truth shrinks below a certain level, standing up for it becomes futile. Cancel culture is not confined to young people on social media, it is ubiquitous.

Guy Aston
Guy Aston
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

This could be a behavioural style issue. I so often see people banging the table, full of emotion, pushing their point. Logic is not persuasive.

John Ramsden
John Ramsden
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

The trick is to pretend to go along with the consensus, but ask an awkward question, which you claim is troubling you, to get the smarter guests thinking. Persuasion is often best done by making people believe they thought of something themselves!

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago
Reply to  John Ramsden

Awkward questions are good. When someone gives me a pat answer based on preconceived dogma (which to my mind has no basis in reality), I ask, “Why?” The jaw drops, the lip quivers, they stammer, momentarily speechless. Perhaps, one hopes, that’s the beginning of self reflection. Or perhaps not. But it’s a powerful little word.

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
3 months ago
Reply to  Nathan Sapio

The wife gets abit upset, but I never start it.

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

It’s an archetypal ‘Emperors New Clothes’ situation.

Who will play the role of The Innocent?

Archibald Tennyson
Archibald Tennyson
3 months ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

You’re only a wee laddie. How about you do it?

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago
Reply to  Lancashire Lad

Russell Brand does it. Of course they had to search and found a lame brain learning challenged 16 year old who seems to have remained at that age for 40 years,but I’ve been 9 years old for 70 years so I can’t cast aspersions there. And sex,even rape cant just be consensual or non consensual penetrative sex,we are all so blase now,having been instructed over 40 years not to be shocked or outraged by anything anyone does sexually -judge not that ye be not judged (but you will be anyway) so “sex crime” has to extra outre, outrageous, cruel,violent and pornographic.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

Fortunately we have secret ballots. One of the major advantages of democracy is that someone should emerge to challenge the foxes, once the scales fall from enough people’s eyes, before the horror that allowing the wolves to take over can happen.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
3 months ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

Yes, but the foxes control the narrative. Just look at how the entire media on both ‘left’ and ‘right’ have promoted the same lies about some mythical ‘far right’ for weeks now without any challenge.

Dennis Roberts
Dennis Roberts
3 months ago
Reply to  Hugh Bryant

A narrative only goes so far. Eventually the narrative has to modify itself to fit events, or die.

Joseph Williams
Joseph Williams
3 months ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

Those lions better bloody hurry up or we’ll be faced with a different set of Lions, we weren’t expecting. Today, 37% of UK primary schools are made up of BAME pupils. 36% in secondary schools. By the middle of the century it’s quite conceivable an Islamic party could form the UKs official opposition if not the ruling party.

Brian McGinty
Brian McGinty
3 months ago

The Muslim population of Britain is 8% . They are typically concentrated in some inner city areas. Even if they all voted for the same Muslim party, which is very unlikely, the British electoral system would only give that party a tiny number of seats.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago
Reply to  Brian McGinty

Official Muslim population.

Ex Nihilo
Ex Nihilo
3 months ago
Reply to  Brian McGinty

The demographic curve is not linear. If you look at the mass of old people in the UK who will likely die in the next ten years it is overwhelmingly white-British-native. As the commenter above noted the number of very young has a quite different composition. That, combined with differential birth rates and additional new immigration, is what will change things a lot in a short period of time.

John Ramsden
John Ramsden
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

The way things are going, people with no intuitive feel for exponential curves are in for some very nasty surprises in the next few decades!

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago
Reply to  Brian McGinty

Get.real matey. In the support for Gaza marches in London which a lot of Jewish people went on too,it chilled the blood of the Islingtonians to.see en masse so many brown skinned Muslim men ( and women) all filling London streets. Scared them shitless. 8% -.and the rest.

Ian Shelley
Ian Shelley
3 months ago
Reply to  Brian McGinty

Their numbers are leveraged by their designation as a sacred minority by the Progressive establishment, so they have a relatively stronger influence than the feminised, tolerant Christian / Atheist indigenous population. We are only foxes, but they are lions.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago

We saw the armed Muslim jihadists on the streets last week. All men of military age.

Brendan O'Leary
Brendan O'Leary
3 months ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

I wouldn’t be too complacent about secret ballots. The increase in postal voting for example will erode it.

laurence scaduto
laurence scaduto
3 months ago

It all depends on how they re-define “secret”, doesn’t it?

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago

And electronic voting in USA is just made for being tinkered with and thats not even digital

William Cameron
William Cameron
3 months ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

sadly we dont. Your ballot paper number is recorded against your name. It is easy to find out how you vote.

Original LHB
Original LHB
3 months ago

Yeah, but you can’t find out who voted who wasn’t legally permitted to vote.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago
Reply to  Original LHB

I’ve known a number of people who could have voted twice if they chose..I don’t think they did but could have. A young woman.still registered at her Mum’s address but also registered at the flat in which she lives with her boyfriend. A student registered.at.his parents home AND at his student lodgings. It’s more common and widespread than we think

Guy Aston
Guy Aston
3 months ago
Reply to  jane baker

Who cares when 30% of the vote gives a huge majority in Parliament? A vote does not constitute democracy. It is the consequence of the vote that matters.

Ex Nihilo
Ex Nihilo
3 months ago

How could you know if a corrupt official simply throws some mailed ballots away? Also, in the U.S. it is legal for individuals to take ballots to places like old age homes where they distribute them and then collect them, without a mechanism in place to ensure that the ballot harvester is not providing partisan influence in assisting the sometimes demented voters, or is not disposing of ballots marked contrary to the harvesters’ political orientation, or that they even actually go to the old age homes and instead just mark them themselves.

Ex Nihilo
Ex Nihilo
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

Who givers a thumbs down to concerns about how the electoral process can be abused? Does electoral abuse now have a constituency?

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago

I noticed that a decade or so ago. It’s creepy.

Katalin Kish
Katalin Kish
3 months ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

After the fall of the Iron Curtain, the descendants of communist parties kept winning elections in previously communist countries, because no other party had both the ability to compete effectively in elections AND the stomach to fight the communists.

Ex Nihilo
Ex Nihilo
3 months ago
Reply to  Dennis Roberts

What good is voting when the candidates are uniformly incapable of ameliorating the problems? There are no lions emerging to challenge the foxes and, if one did, he/she would be quickly neutralized by the legions of foxes. That is the point of the essay.

As for ballots and democracy, the U.S. continues to inch toward banana state elections where the legitimacy of every election back to Bush has been challenged, while both sides continuously connive new ways to warp the electoral mechanics to their unscrupulous advantage. Gerrymandering, abuse of mail-in and absentee ballots, ballot harvesting, differential funding of voting precincts according to political ideology, lack of reliable voter ID, manipulation of the voting franchise to harvest votes trending favorably to the left such as lowering voter age, enfranchising non-citizen immigrants, and re-enfranchising incarcerated felons.

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

I like that phrase “monastery of the mind”. I have a fantasy of retiring to a seaside town and spending my evenings reading old fashioned hardback, improving novels or studying mathematics accompanied by a glass of whisky and a pipe (even though I don’t smoke).

Not so long ago such a (little bit silly) fantasy would have been possible. Now, while the Internet makes things easier ( communications, banking, shopping) it brings with it, to those with limited self-discipline (me) doom scrolling and rabbit holes of “handcart to hell” stories.

The writer’s point about a state which cares little for what is moral is well made but it’s also very hard to escape and pretend it happens to others.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago

I once saw an elderly man sitting in front of his beach hut on Southwold promenade, smoking a cigarette and gazing out to sea. I figured he was contemplating life, the universe etc. and figured that was a pretty good way of ending one’s days. At the time, I had no idea how exorbitant the price of a beach hut overlooking the beach at Southwold is.

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
3 months ago

Mind itv.ight be worth it for the fish and chips

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

“I can’t remember when I last observed a lion”
Thatcher.

Jonathan Andrews
Jonathan Andrews
3 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Maybe Badenoch

Richard Craven
Richard Craven
3 months ago

Yes, maybe.

Aphrodite Rises
Aphrodite Rises
3 months ago

She has my vote

Carmel Shortall
Carmel Shortall
3 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Don’t confuse lions with psychopaths!

Lancashire Lad
Lancashire Lad
3 months ago

Your comment will help us with that distinction.

Anna Bramwell
Anna Bramwell
3 months ago
Reply to  Richard Craven

Milei.

Ian_S
Ian_S
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

I’m not sure a “collapse” is coming, but it’s fairly sure I think that the tendency toward a totalitarian regime – the one being set up by the Guardian set — will continue. I’m transferring capital to my wife’s country in the South Pacific, which is where I currently am, and intend to consolidate there. It’s a far less politically tense environment, largely free of the Imperium, except for fly-in fly-out do-gooders trying, mostly superficially, to transfer the whole gamut of imperial ideology to the locals. These more chaotic societies on the fringe are difficult to repress with global ruling class counter-insurgency psyops style governance (as described by Jacob Seigel), unlike the situation in the major Western countries. I really don’t like totalitarianism.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

Donald Trump is no savior, but he is speaking the things that cannot safely be spoken about the foxes, and it has driven them insane with rage.

Allison Barrows
Allison Barrows
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

If you’re familiar with Donald Trump, you observed a lion, and not just when he was shot and got right back up, fist in the air. He’s been fighting the foxes since 2016.

Jim C
Jim C
3 months ago

Yet he inducted fox after fox into his administration.

Sessions?

Wray?

Jared Kushner?

Bolton, for God’s sake?

John Ramsden
John Ramsden
3 months ago
Reply to  Jim C

Not sure I’d call John Bolton a fox, more like an irate honey badger!

Erik Hildinger
Erik Hildinger
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

You can often safely make a point by asking a question with the right tone of voice. Tone can be as important as the words. A trivial example: a few days ago someone told me he opposes Trump because he’ll adopt Agenda 2025. I asked him why he thought so when Trump disavows it himself and only his enemies attribute it to him. Why, I asked him, does he disbelieve Trump in this case and instead believe one of Trump’s enemies? It’s true enough that either one could be lying or telling the truth, but how could he choose? He had to admit he had no answer, and he didn’t get angry because I was careful with the tone.

Bret Larson
Bret Larson
3 months ago
Reply to  Ex Nihilo

I’m of an age where it doesn’t make any difference.

Ex Nihilo
Ex Nihilo
3 months ago
Reply to  Bret Larson

Me too.

Brett H
Brett H
3 months ago

Very good piece of writing.

G Lux
G Lux
3 months ago

An excellent essay, although one might find it peculiar that it was written by someone called Lyons. Conflict of interest?

Liam F
Liam F
3 months ago
Reply to  G Lux

Well spotted! Maybe there’s something to nominative determinism after all!

Stuart Sutherland
Stuart Sutherland
3 months ago

Good essay! The author hasn’t referred to the population as sheep though, as that’s what we are really.

Jonathan Smith
Jonathan Smith
3 months ago

Better to live one day
Like a lion than a thousand sheepishly
Say dead Orientals…

Divine Comedy

Richard Hopkins
Richard Hopkins
3 months ago

‘Or as one planner described it, the whole effort is intended to serve as “an anaesthetic for the community”.’

That’s sinister bureaucratic jargon for soma.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago

This article takes sophistry to a completely new level. So let’s get right to the point; absolute bollocks! Reading that was a complete waste of my morning tea.
With best wishes,
Foxy

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

This article is bollocks. The author once read a clever Renaissance book about political philosophy and is now bending facts about the modern world so he can show off a theory from it that he likes. The riots in the UK involved a tiny minority of thugs incited by far-right extremists. There were fewer than 100 attacking the immigrant hotel, for example. Yes, there is an immigration problem and, yes, we should shut the doors as much as possible, but the idea that the country is about to boil over unless another Alexander the Great appears is nonsense. There are four million Muslims in the UK, 6.7% of the population, and half were born here. 99.9% are not fanatics and do not want a Shariah state. They just want to live in peace. And most are now integrated into their local communities. Of course there should be no more, because they will soon reach a critical mass, but the rioters do not represent the attitude of most UK people, who sensibly accept that there is nothing to be done with those who are already here except get on. Otherwise there would have been thousands smashing things, not hundreds. Most of the rioters were bored, poor, stupid, talentless, hopeless and, of course, drunk.

AJ Mac
AJ Mac
3 months ago
Reply to  UnHerd Reader

I appreciate your forceful pushback against the stampeding consensus here. I admit that I like Lyons as a writer, and may be taking too favorable a view of his binary model. From comfortably across the Atlantic, it seems that one might understand the more widespread frustrations that underlie riotous behavior, but still denounce the outbursts. Do you think it all comes of nativist menace and bigotry?
I hope you are correct in asserting that only 1 British Muslim in 1000 is a fanatic. That sounds like a very optimistic ratio.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
3 months ago

As Machiavelli observes the true statesman combines the fox and lion characteristics. We do not want the return simply of the warrior Lion but one who combines both characteristics.

What in practice would this involve? For a start it would involve the enforcement of law equally on all communities. Indeed there should be no concept of separate communities with informal “leaders” at all. All should be treated as Britains expected to conform with traditional British practices.

The private observance of religion should be accepted but no recognition should be given to any religion having a special privileged place in public life. While Christianity has formed the core of British practice and morality today official Anglicanism no longer serves to bind the country together but has become a foxy mushy irrelevance in public life. Still less should Islam be permitted special privileges through Sharia Courts or hate crime legislation.

The excessive manipulation of the fox through social engineering should be reigned back and the depredations of the foxlike Woolf through various scams should be ruthlessly suppressed.

Becoming a Britain with the social and financial support implied should be regarded as a privilege to be earned not something given away to all who can sneak across the boarder.

AC Harper
AC Harper
3 months ago
Reply to  Jeremy Bray

There are a lot of ‘shoulds’ there… but what we really need is an ethical background to help them flourish. I suggest we need only two things – a recognition of the value of free speech and the insistence that there are only ‘crimes’ and no ‘hate crimes’.
These two ethical stances remove the camouflage deployed by ‘foxes’ to confuse the general population. You can not accidentally(?) promote division if there is free debate and single tier policing.

Peter Principle
Peter Principle
3 months ago

The British elite’s information control, aka the BBC, took the line that the only reason people were rioting was because of some false information on social media. This approach was similar to their information control when the elite realised the pro-Brexit campaign was doing well.

Jeremy Bray
Jeremy Bray
3 months ago

There are none so blind as those who will not see. The triumph of the superficial.

Daniel Lee
Daniel Lee
3 months ago

And when Brexit passed, the foxes basically just refused to implement it by tying it in impenetrable knots of bureaucracy, slow-walking, and outright dishonesty.

Jim C
Jim C
3 months ago
Reply to  Daniel Lee

The problem with implementing Brexit is that there were too many vested interests (and I include voters here) who stood to lose out short term by any real reforms to our customs and excise regime, not to mention the whole Northern Ireland conundrum.

What would be best for the average Brit would be to jettison our ties to that benighted chunk of Eire, sell the Falklands to the highest bidder (while offering the islanders a cut of the proceeds), stop colluding with the American empire, sell off the carriers and other appurtenances of military adventurism, drop the Green nonsense and drill, baby drill! while gearing up our nuclear industry.

Pivot from raising government revenue from income to resource monopolisation (ie, implementing LVT).

Written constitution similar to the US guaranteeing free speech.

Slash the size of the military but introduce National Service alongside a constitutional guarantee that conscripts can never be deployed overseas (to prevent the inevitable psychopaths like Blair using them as cannon fodder for military adventurism)

Keep our nose out of Eurooean (or other) conflicts.

Enable pigs to fly.

Alex Colchester
Alex Colchester
3 months ago

Ah yes. History shows it has always worked out well when a weakened nation, tired of petty bureaucrats, demands a ‘strongman’
 ahem, I mean Lion!

Sean Lothmore
Sean Lothmore
3 months ago

Not much comes up when you Google “Home Office” “controlled spontaneity”. Perhaps some journalist could put some flesh on the bones of this story?

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
3 months ago
Reply to  Sean Lothmore

Use Perplexity , not Google.
Use it now before Starmer closes it down.
A Perplexity search gives the following ;-
Overview of Controlled Spontaneity
Purpose: The primary aim of controlled spontaneity is to shape public responses towards empathy and unity rather than anger or violence after terrorist attacks. This is achieved through a series of pre-prepared media campaigns that can be quickly deployed in the aftermath of an incident.
Implementation: The government prepares hashtags, posters, and statements in advance, which are activated following an attack. For instance, after the London Bridge attack in June 2017, a coordinated effort included social media campaigns and public vigils that were planned ahead of time to ensure a positive public response.
Examples: Historical instances of controlled spontaneity include:A media campaign following the beheading of British and American aid workers by ISIS in 2014.The use of hashtags and public vigils after the London Bridge attacks.The organization of inter-faith events and political statements that were pre-negotiated to control the narrative and public sentiment post-attack
Implications and Critiques
Public Perception Management: By controlling the narrative, the government aims to prevent public outrage and instead foster a sense of community and resilience. This approach has been likened to using propaganda techniques to manage the emotional landscape following traumatic events.
Concerns: Some critics argue that this blending of emergency response with media manipulation can distract from meaningful public discourse about the underlying causes of terrorism. There are worries that such strategies may trivialize genuine public grief and concern, reducing complex issues to mere media spectacles.

Peter B
Peter B
3 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

Just as well the Home Office remains as dysfunctional as it has been for decades. So whatever they attempt will at least be incompetent and botched.

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
3 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

Indeed. Did anyone think the aftermath of Manchester Arena bombing was anyhing other than psyops? Never trust your state – they are not there to serve the people, as Starmer has conclusively proven this week.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
3 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

So, when you see an ‘anti-racist’ demo in a black part of Birmingham which consists exclusively of middle aged whites with ‘public sector’ written all over them, as we did this week, what you’re witnessing is Controlled Spontaneity?

Guy Aston
Guy Aston
3 months ago
Reply to  Steven Carr

Thanks for the tip about Perplexity. Downloaded.

Steven Carr
Steven Carr
3 months ago
Reply to  Barry Dixon

That’s what the Perplexity search found, and summarised it for me.

Francisco Javier Bernal
Francisco Javier Bernal
3 months ago
Reply to  Barry Dixon

Hamas propaganda has no place in Unherd

Judy Englander
Judy Englander
3 months ago
Reply to  Sean Lothmore

Roussinos referred to it here about a week ago in ‘How Britain Ignored its Ethnic Conflict’. Within the piece there’s a link to an article devoted to the government unit behind ‘controlled spontaneity’.

Carmel Shortall
Carmel Shortall
3 months ago
Reply to  Sean Lothmore
UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago
Reply to  Sean Lothmore

Google?? LOL! Now, who do you think they work for?

Steve George
Steve George
3 months ago

What a load of utter bilge. “Lions” such as Hitler, Stalin or Mao? All that ended well!

Susan Grabston
Susan Grabston
3 months ago
Reply to  Steve George

That’s the problem with 4th turnings. A wolf always emerges, but be careful what.you wish for – as likely to be Stalin as the New Deal.

Stephen Philip
Stephen Philip
3 months ago
Reply to  Steve George

No. I think he means lions such as Churchill, Thatcher and Reagan. But your BBC style spin it quite impressive all the same.

Carmel Shortall
Carmel Shortall
3 months ago
Reply to  Steve George

There are no ‘lions’ or ‘foxes’, there are only differing degrees and manifestations of psychopathy.

Hugh Bryant
Hugh Bryant
3 months ago
Reply to  Steve George

Hitler, Stalin or Mao
No. They were wolves. The left does not produce lions.

Graham Cunningham
Graham Cunningham
3 months ago

If only we had Mrs T to lead us now….she was a lion. “She died before the Western liberal establishment had begun to convulse itself over such things as whether our culture was ‘transphobic’ and whether young people needed to be protected from harm ‘triggered’ by its great works of literature. In fact – thanks to a long mental decline (the unlucky consequence of repeated mini-strokes) – she missed out on having her say about much of the cultural transformation effected in the 21st century West by its university-educated progressive clerisy. But what would she have had to say had she been in her prime in 2023?
She would certainly have called a spade a spade, loud and clear and damn the consequences. But she would have done it in the manner of a strict mother wanting to curb our nonsense for our own good. She would not have fallen into the rhetorical rabbit hole of trying to frame arguments against ‘identity politics’ using its own tendentious terminology. Asked to discuss issues relating to the LGTB+ community she would probably have told the interviewer to stop talking such nonsense. She would have said it insistently and would not have shut up however impolitic the subsequent verbal joust became. Asked to comment on ‘systemic racism’, she would have wagged her finger and asserted that Britain was the least racist society that had ever been and how crazy to have lurched – in a couple of generations – from racism against coloured people to racism against white people…….” https://grahamcunningham.substack.com/p/mrs-thatcher-and-the-good-life

Mark F
Mark F
3 months ago

Umm
Thatcher was more than happy to set the police on working class people and it seems Starmer is set on doing the same

John Tyler
John Tyler
3 months ago
Reply to  Mark F

Hmmm, I think Starmer is more weasel than lion.

Andrew R
Andrew R
3 months ago

“Controlled spontaneity” what a fabulous oxymoron

Alison R Tyler
Alison R Tyler
3 months ago

Really interesting article, discernibly reflects aspects of present reality.
Is migration an option or is nowhere a safe place to be? OR do we just wait for the roar of lions?

John Tyler
John Tyler
3 months ago

Excellent essay!

Basically, since the 1960s UK has had mainly government by foxes and this has contributed significantly to the development of a foxes’ den of public servants. The foxy civil service, academia, etc is now pretty much in charge, whichever politicians are in government. It will take a very strong lion to regain control.

Dr. G Marzanna
Dr. G Marzanna
3 months ago

Well I’ve spent plenty of time in “lion” countries where state violence is used to rule and let me tell you I’ll take the foxes any day.
So would my friends but unfortunately they’re stuck there.

Carmel Shortall
Carmel Shortall
3 months ago
Reply to  Dr. G Marzanna

Yes, it’s not a very helpful metaphor for the modern age. Which flavour psychopath would you like to destroy your life…?

John Riordan
John Riordan
3 months ago
Reply to  Dr. G Marzanna

You have either misunderstood the article or have a limited grasp of history.

Paul T
Paul T
3 months ago
Reply to  Dr. G Marzanna

They are wolves, not lions.

John Riordan
John Riordan
3 months ago

It’s a great pity that Machiavelli is typically only ever mentioned in connection with the sort of deviousness that the article accurately ascribes to the fox instead of the lion. In fact, as stated above in respect of the ideal leader, he was a man who understood and valued the mentality of both types of leader.

My favourite phrase of his is “War is not to be avoided, only deferred at one’s own expense”. The reason I Iike it is that it’s so often misunderstood as implying bloodthirst, when in fact it is merely a pragmatic insight that since leaders rarely possess any control over events outside their own spheres of influence, the option of not being at war very often simply doesn’t exist. Leaders must very often face the inexorable calculation that there’s no cost-free option where blood and treasure is concerned, a reality that idealists usually fail to understand.

This is particularly relevant now, with both the Ukraine and Israel/Palestine war happening precisely because various leaderships of the major power blocs in recent years often failed to understand this lesson.

jane baker
jane baker
3 months ago
Reply to  John Riordan

Machiavelli wasn’t saying this is what you should do,he was saying,this is what works. There is a distinction there. But as humans we do.usually go for what works.

William Cameron
William Cameron
3 months ago

Good Article

Michael Lipkin
Michael Lipkin
3 months ago

Maybe, but unlike šDave” (PR man) Cameron, Starmer fought for his position by kicking Corbynistas in the teeth. We shall see what happens.

Peter B
Peter B
3 months ago
Reply to  Michael Lipkin

Selective history !
Starmer twice took a leading role in campaigning for Corbyn to be PM. He has a long, long history of pretty left wing politics behind him.
I’d further suggest that there was very little “fighting” involved in Starmer’s purge of the Corbynites and that this was largely the operation of the Labour machine as much as any actual leadership and risk taking by Starmer. Nothing at all compared to Neil Kinnock taking on Miltant Tendency.

UnHerd Reader
UnHerd Reader
3 months ago

But the Labour government foxes are supported by a compliant media, and a vast public sector with a considerable vested interest in promoting its narrative. The wolves and lions have been defanged long ago by consumerism, infantilism, and the parallel reality of the internet.

John Ramsden
John Ramsden
3 months ago

I wouldn’t have called Augustus one of the lions, as his predecessors like Sulla, Marius, and of course Julius Caesar had been. Augustus was the first archetypal fox! Fox example, after defeating Mark Antony at Actium, and thereby becoming sole ruler, his first act was to decommission at least half of the 60 legions he had inherited.

Anthony Roe
Anthony Roe
3 months ago
Reply to  John Ramsden

Only thirty were needed for maintaining the Empire. The other thirty were engaged in mercenary civil strife at the behest of one wealthy Roman or another. Augustus was well aware of the threat they posed as he had used them to his own advantage.

John Young
John Young
3 months ago

This is lazy macho nonsense that relies on reductionism and a neat story to sound compelling. Feels like the narrative that leads to militias and book burnings.

If we can distinguish between lions and wolves, why can’t we distinguish between foxes and snakes?

How many lions ever succeeded for long without a supporting cast of foxes?

Not saying there isn’t a problem with our current snakepit elite, but I would rather be governed by foxes than snakes, wolves or a knuckleheaded lion.

John Young
John Young
3 months ago
Reply to  John Young

Also what about the owls, badgers and hedgehogs? I’m sure we could develop a really sophisticated political philosophy if the whole cast of the Animals of Farthing Wood were brought into play.

John Riordan
John Riordan
3 months ago
Reply to  John Young

Ignoring the sarcasm, I suspect AA Milne had most of human endeavour covered with the characters of Winnie the Pooh. So actually, not a bad idea.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 months ago
Reply to  John Young

You are governed by foxes. How’s it working out?

John Young
John Young
3 months ago
Reply to  Alex Lekas

No, i’d say by snakes. But they’ve been called foxes here so let’s stick with that. I vote for a coalition of owls and badgers. Why is the answer to corrupt/inept managerial style of government (“foxes”) the muscle/machismo of a lion rather than competent/honest/sane “nerds”? And why do we have to say that using brains rather than brawn is “effete” as a way of discrediting it?

John Riordan
John Riordan
3 months ago
Reply to  John Young

“And why do we have to say that using brains rather than brawn is “effete” as a way of discrediting it?”

I think the difference is that governing with brains is only in danger of becoming effete if the people doing the governing have no other option. The article points out that ideal leaders are capable of both brains and brawn, and therefore can intelligently decide which to use in any given situation.

Alex Lekas
Alex Lekas
3 months ago
Reply to  John Young

Why is the answer to corrupt/inept managerial style of government (“foxes”) the muscle/machismo of a lion rather than competent/honest/sane “nerds”?
Because the nerds have tried and failed to penetrate the thick skulls of the govt foxes. How long have people talked about immigration, warned of the implications if left unchecked, pointed out that it only works if new populations assimilate into existing culture? Those people were competent, sane, and honest, and for their troubles were either ignored or reviled. They were also correct and instead of the foxes recognizing their mistake, they double down on the same tactics.

John Riordan
John Riordan
3 months ago
Reply to  John Young

You have to place it in context. For instance, Margaret Thatcher was a lion not a fox, yet at no point was Britain ever even remotely close to the authoritarianism you imply. There will be many other examples.

John Young
John Young
3 months ago
Reply to  John Riordan

In context of this essays analogy:

“Nations are founded by lions, who are a society’s natural warrior class — its jocks, so to speak. They establish and expand a kingdom’s borders at the point of a sword, pacifying external enemies”.

Thatcher was strong, and nothing like our insipid current politicians of either stripe, but she wasn’t a Boudicca. I reckon she’s more like my owls and badgers.

Very hard to take a call for Machiavelli’s lion as anything other than a request for a military strong man.

John Riordan
John Riordan
3 months ago
Reply to  John Young

I disagree. I realise the Falklands War was only a very small conflict in the scheme of things, but one thing is true about it: the consensus of the political establishments of the world at the time of the invasion was that no rational statesperson would bother defending a couple of tactically-irrelevant islands 8000 miles away. That was the consensus of foxes. They were wrong.

And, of course, Thatcher was a crucial part of the victorious side of that far greater, existential conflict that ended with the fall of the Berlin wall. Reagan, Thatcher, Kohl and many others – all lions.

And the analogy described by Machiavelli doesn’t allow for any convenient addition of other types of animal, especially not merely for the purposes of straw-manning the debate, so if you want to classify Thatcher in this context, it’s fox, lion or wolf, no other options.

Citizen Diversity
Citizen Diversity
3 months ago

As has been pointed out by others, Machiavelli described the successful ruler as one who made himself necessary to those he ruled.
This successful ruler has to make the governed dependent on him. As long as he is ‘delivering’ for the people, he is wanted by them. In the absence of rule legitimised by hereditary or the divine right of kings, this ‘service’ is the only way to legitimise the ruler.
Sir Kier has promised a government of service. But what if the people are not given what they want? The King can say he is a servant. But as a king he isn’t a servant. If legitimacy of the ruler is based on delivery and their is none, what of the legitimacy?
The author of this piece doesn’t describe an example of the ruler that combines both the characteristics of the fox and the lion. Can the fox be a lion by proxy? In supporting the lion of Kiev, can the fox of Downing Street become a lion, at least in its own estimation?
The Lion is one of the supporters of the British arms. The beast, now aged and mangy, cannot himself walk abroad to cause the foreign pigeons to flutter in alarm. This once-king now tries to walk in his own demesne in a regal manner. But all he can manage is to purr indulgently at creatures that herd insolently at his water hole. He prefers to aver that the serpents are asleep and that the hyenas are merely chortling.
The other supporter of the British arms is the Unicorn. A creature both mystic and pure. The Unicorn is not only a medieval fancy but a chimera. If the British state is buoyed up by the reality of the Lion, it is also succoured by the illusions of the Unicorn. Illusions are mighty but must sometime face a reckoning with this world. The Unicorn feigning that heavenly harmony permeates British society is unable to foresee the actual consequences of the domestic policies of the now-decrepit Lion.

Dumetrius
Dumetrius
3 months ago